Time to Apologize to Plame/Wilson

[Joe Irvin]

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> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>
>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place? Well,
>>according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>
>
> MOONIE TIMES??
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>

 

[Sid9]

Joe Irvin wrote:
> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place?
>>> Well, according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>
>>
>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>
>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What's the CIA
afraid of that
caused all the
redaction in
her book?

 

[Sid9]

Joe Irvin wrote:
> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>> Joe Irvin wrote:
>>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place?
>>>>> Well, according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>>
>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>
>>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>
>> What's the CIA
>> afraid of that
>> caused all the
>> redaction in
>> her book?
>
> I would guess, it was/is classified material. This doesn't mean she
> was a 'covert agent.' One can be cleared to handle classified
> material and not be a covert agent.

She was a covert agent. Period.
and Jetliners caused the 9/11 damages

 

[Joe Irvin]

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Joe Irvin wrote:
>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place?
>>>> Well, according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>
>>>
>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>
>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>
>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> What's the CIA
> afraid of that
> caused all the
> redaction in
> her book?

I would guess, it was/is classified material. This doesn't mean she was a
'covert agent.' One can be cleared to handle classified material and not be
a covert agent.

 

[Click@Knicklas.com]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:21:00 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
<ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:

>
>"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>> Joe Irvin wrote:
>>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place?
>>>>> Well, according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>>
>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>
>>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>
>> What's the CIA
>> afraid of that
>> caused all the
>> redaction in
>> her book?
>
>I would guess, it was/is classified material. This doesn't mean she was a
>'covert agent.' One can be cleared to handle classified material and not be
>a covert agent.
>

You're trying to associate someone in the immediate
field as being the only one "covered" by the law

Every agent is not "covert" all the time

By your idiotic "reasoning", ALL agents could be
"outed" when they supposedly weren't working.

Can't you think independent of Rev Moon?

 

[Gandalf Grey]

"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
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>
> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place? Well,
>>>according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>
>>
>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>
>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Well, according to the CIA, she was. But I guess traitors like yourself
just don't care about treason.

>>
>
>

 

[Gandalf Grey]

"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
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> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>> Joe Irvin wrote:
>>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place?
>>>>> Well, according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>>
>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>
>>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>
>> What's the CIA
>> afraid of that
>> caused all the
>> redaction in
>> her book?
>
> I would guess, it was/is classified material. This doesn't mean she was
> a 'covert agent.' One can be cleared to handle classified material and
> not be a covert agent.

And yet the CIA says she was a covert agent. So did the prosecutor. So did
the judge.

Why do you hate America?
>
>

 

[Gandalf Grey]

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>>>>>> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>> Time to Apologize to Plame/Wilson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By Robert Parry
>>>>>>> Created Nov 1 2007 - 9:44am
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> During the scandal known as "Plame-gate," it became an article of
>>>>>>> faith in
>>>>>>> many Washington power centers that CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson
>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>> "covert" and thus there was no "underlying crime" when the Bush
>>>>>>> administration intentionally blew her cover.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This view was pushed not only by right-wing acolytes of George W.
>>>>>>> Bush but
>>>>>>> by leading media outlets, such as the Washington Post editorial
>>>>>>> page, which
>>>>>>> championed an argument from Republican lawyer Victoria Toensing that
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> CIA-headquarters-based Plame wasn't covered by the Intelligence
>>>>>>> Identities
>>>>>>> Protection Act [1] of 1982.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In statements on TV, in the Post's Outlook section and before a
>>>>>>> congressional committee, Toensing argued that the law defined
>>>>>>> "covert" CIA
>>>>>>> officers who got legal protection as those who "resided" or were
>>>>>>> "stationed"
>>>>>>> abroad in the previous five years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since Plame, the mother of young twins, had been assigned to CIA
>>>>>>> headquarters in Langley, Virginia, in recent years, Toensing argued
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> Plame didn't qualify under the law and thus wasn't "covert."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, a reading of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act and
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> information revealed in Plame's memoir, Fair Game, show just how
>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>> Toensing, the Post's editors and many other Washington pundits have
>>>>>>> been.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The law's relevant clause doesn't use the words "resided" or
>>>>>>> "stationed."
>>>>>>> The law states that the identities of classified U.S. intelligence
>>>>>>> officers
>>>>>>> are protected if they have "served within the last five years
>>>>>>> outside the
>>>>>>> United States."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An intelligence officer (or a Special Forces soldier) clearly can
>>>>>>> "serve"
>>>>>>> abroad in dangerous situations without being "stationed" or
>>>>>>> "residing"
>>>>>>> abroad. Toensing, who promoted herself as an author of the 1982
>>>>>>> statute,
>>>>>>> surely knew the law's actual wording on this point but instead
>>>>>>> substituted
>>>>>>> other words to alter the law's meaning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Fair Game, the CIA censors blacked out many of Plame's career
>>>>>>> details,
>>>>>>> but enough was left in to show that Plame traveled abroad in the
>>>>>>> five years
>>>>>>> prior to the Bush administration blowing her cover in summer 2003.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At that time, the White House was mounting a campaign to discredit
>>>>>>> Plame's
>>>>>>> husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, for criticizing the
>>>>>>> administration's
>>>>>>> misuse of intelligence about Iraq's alleged pursuit of uranium in
>>>>>>> Niger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Foreign Trips
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "As I worked with our small team on our sensitive operations, I
>>>>>>> traveled
>>>>>>> often and sometimes at a moment's notice," wrote Plame, who was
>>>>>>> assigned to
>>>>>>> a counter-proliferation office that monitored weapon development in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Middle East. "I traveled domestically and abroad using a variety of
>>>>>>> aliases,
>>>>>>> confident that my tradecraft skills and solid cover would keep me
>>>>>>> out of the
>>>>>>> worst trouble." [p. 71]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More specifically, Plame wrote: "In the late summer of 2002, I went
>>>>>>> on a
>>>>>>> whirlwind tour of several Middle Eastern countries to collect
>>>>>>> intelligence
>>>>>>> on the presumed cache of Iraqi WMD." [p. 114]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In other words, Plame "served" abroad in her covert capacity as a
>>>>>>> CIA
>>>>>>> officer and thus was covered by the 1982 law, a conclusion also
>>>>>>> shared by
>>>>>>> the CIA when it referred her exposure to the Justice Department for
>>>>>>> criminal
>>>>>>> investigation in summer 2003.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The CIA reaffirmed her "covert" status at a March 16, 2007, hearing
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> House Oversight Committee. Chairman Henry Waxman, D-California, read
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> statement approved by CIA Director Michael Hayden describing Plame's
>>>>>>> status
>>>>>>> at the CIA as "covert," "undercover" and "classified."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ms. Wilson worked on the most sensitive and highly secretive
>>>>>>> matters
>>>>>>> handled by the CIA," Waxman's statement said, adding that her work
>>>>>>> dealt
>>>>>>> with "prevention of development and use of WMD against the United
>>>>>>> States."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Appearing as a Republican witness at the same hearing, Toensing
>>>>>>> continued to
>>>>>>> employ her word substitutions to attack the CIA statement. Toensing
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> asked about her bald assertion that "Plame was not covert."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Not under the law," Toensing responded. "I'm giving you the legal
>>>>>>> interpretation under the law and I helped draft the law. The person
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> supposed to reside outside the United States."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But that's not what the law says regarding CIA officers. It says
>>>>>>> "served"
>>>>>>> abroad, not "resided" abroad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When asked whether she had spoken to the CIA or Plame about Plame's
>>>>>>> covert
>>>>>>> status, Toensing said, "I didn't talk to Ms. Plame or the CIA. I can
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> tell you what's required under the law. They can call anybody
>>>>>>> anything they
>>>>>>> want to do in the halls" of the CIA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, Toensing had no idea about the facts of the matter, nor did she
>>>>>>> know how
>>>>>>> often Plame had traveled abroad in the five years before her
>>>>>>> exposure.
>>>>>>> Still, the opinion circles of Washington treated Toensing as a
>>>>>>> respected
>>>>>>> legal expert on the law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Outlook 'Indictments'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb. 18, 2007, as a federal jury was about to start deliberating
>>>>>>> perjury
>>>>>>> and obstruction of justice charges against White House aide I. Lewis
>>>>>>> Libby
>>>>>>> for his role in the "Plame-gate" affair, the Washington Post's
>>>>>>> Outlook [2]
>>>>>>> section gave Toensing front-page space to issue what she called
>>>>>>> "indictments" of Wilson, U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald and others
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> helped expose the White House hand behind the Plame leak.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To illustrate Toensing's article, the Post's editors even ordered up
>>>>>>> fabricated "mug shots" of Wilson, Fitzgerald and others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the article, Toensing wrote that "Plame was not covert. She
>>>>>>> worked at CIA
>>>>>>> headquarters and had not been stationed abroad within five years of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> date" of the administration's leak of her identity in a July 14,
>>>>>>> 2003,
>>>>>>> column by Robert Novak. (Again, note the use of "stationed" rather
>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>> law's actual language, "served.")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even ignoring the word substitutions, Toensing's claim was
>>>>>>> legalistic at
>>>>>>> best since it obscured the larger point that Plame was working
>>>>>>> undercover in
>>>>>>> a classified CIA position and was running agents abroad whose safety
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be put at risk by an unauthorized disclosure of Plame's identity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet, the strange parlor game of excusing the Bush administration for
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> retaliatory leak of Plame's identity continued.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a March 7, 2007, editorial [3], after Libby was convicted of
>>>>>>> perjury and
>>>>>>> obstructing justice, Washington Post editors reserved their harshest
>>>>>>> words
>>>>>>> for Wilson, declaring that the former ambassador "will be remembered
>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>> blowhard" and a liar for claiming that the White House had sought
>>>>>>> retribution for his public criticism of Bush's Niger claims.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The [Libby] trial has provided convincing evidence that there was
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> conspiracy to punish Mr. Wilson by leaking Ms. Plame's identity -
>>>>>>> and no
>>>>>>> evidence that she was, in fact, covert," the Post editorial stated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But everything in the Post attack on Wilson was either a gross
>>>>>>> distortion or
>>>>>>> a lie. Wilson was correct when he alleged that the White House was
>>>>>>> punishing
>>>>>>> him for his Iraq War criticism. Indeed, the Washington Post's own
>>>>>>> reporters
>>>>>>> had described this reality in the news pages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sept. 28, 2003, a Post news article reported that a White House
>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>> disclosed that the administration had informed at least six
>>>>>>> reporters about
>>>>>>> Plame's identity and did so "purely and simply out of revenge"
>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>> Wilson.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Special prosecutor Fitzgerald made the same point in a court filing
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> Libby case, stating that the investigation had uncovered a
>>>>>>> "concerted"
>>>>>>> effort by the White House to "discredit, punish or seek revenge
>>>>>>> against"
>>>>>>> Wilson because of his criticism of the administration. [Washington
>>>>>>> Post,
>>>>>>> April 9, 2006 [4]]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the March 7, 2007, editorial's statement about Plame not
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> "covert," the Post's editorial page editor Fred Hiatt apparently was
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>> hanging his hat on Victoria Toensing's erroneous definition of a
>>>>>>> "covert"
>>>>>>> officer under the identities law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regarding the supposed lack of evidence at the Libby trial about
>>>>>>> Plame's
>>>>>>> covert status, the Post editorial left out the context: Libby's
>>>>>>> defense
>>>>>>> attorneys argued against admission of that evidence because it would
>>>>>>> prejudice the jury and the judge ruled Plame's covert status to be
>>>>>>> largely
>>>>>>> irrelevant to a case narrowly constructed about Libby's lying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the Post's editorial was part of a long pattern of Iraq War
>>>>>>> deceptions
>>>>>>> pushed by Hiatt and his editorial team. They let their
>>>>>>> neoconservative
>>>>>>> ideology - and their support for the Iraq War - blind them to facts,
>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>> and fairness. [See, for instance, Consortiumnews.com's "Shame on the
>>>>>>> Post's
>>>>>>> Editorial Page, [5]" "Smearing Joe Wilson Again [6]" and "Shame of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> WPost, Again [7]."]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personal Pain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plame's memoir, Fair Game, is notable in another way. It describes
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> personal pain of an American family caught up in the duplicitous
>>>>>>> power games
>>>>>>> of Washington, where influential people - from the White House to
>>>>>>> the Post's
>>>>>>> editorial offices - can hammer any set of facts into a weapon to
>>>>>>> attack
>>>>>>> someone who gets in the way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Plame-gate" was a classic story of how arrogant leaders destroy a
>>>>>>> messenger
>>>>>>> who speaks truth to power, except this one had the extraordinary
>>>>>>> collateral
>>>>>>> damage of wrecking a U.S. national security program.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What happened was this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In early 2002, Vice President Dick Cheney asked about a dubious
>>>>>>> report that
>>>>>>> Iraq was seeking yellowcake uranium from the African nation of
>>>>>>> Niger; a CIA
>>>>>>> officer working in a counter-proliferation office with Plame
>>>>>>> suggested that
>>>>>>> her husband, a former diplomat who had served in both Iraq and
>>>>>>> Africa might
>>>>>>> help check out the report.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the urging of her boss, Plame sounded out her husband who met
>>>>>>> with Plame's
>>>>>>> superiors and agreed to take the unpaid assignment; Wilson traveled
>>>>>>> to Niger
>>>>>>> and - like others who checked out the report - concluded that it was
>>>>>>> almost
>>>>>>> certainly false; on his return, Wilson relayed his findings to CIA
>>>>>>> debriefers along with an anecdotal comment from one former Nigerien
>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>> who had feared that one Iraqi delegation might want uranium, though
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> turned out not to be the case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nevertheless, while grasping at intelligence straws to justify
>>>>>>> invading
>>>>>>> Iraq, President Bush cited the Niger/yellowcake suspicions during
>>>>>>> his 2003
>>>>>>> State of the Union address; the invasion went ahead in March 2003
>>>>>>> but U.S.
>>>>>>> forces didn't find any nuclear program or other WMD evidence; in
>>>>>>> summer
>>>>>>> 2003, Wilson went public with details about his Niger trip and
>>>>>>> challenged
>>>>>>> the administration's misuse of WMD intelligence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At that point, the Bush administration unleashed the full force of
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> propaganda machinery to disparage Wilson. The chosen attack line was
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> portray his trip as a boondoggle arranged by his wife, but that
>>>>>>> strategy
>>>>>>> required divulging that Plame was a CIA officer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nevertheless, administration insiders - including Deputy Secretary
>>>>>>> of State
>>>>>>> Richard Armitage; his friend and White House political adviser Karl
>>>>>>> Rove;
>>>>>>> Cheney's chief of staff Libby; and press secretary Ari Fleischer -
>>>>>>> did just
>>>>>>> that, alerting reporters to the Plame angle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eight days after Wilson went public about his Niger trip, right-wing
>>>>>>> columnist Robert Novak attacked the ex-ambassador's credibility by
>>>>>>> portraying the trip as a junket arranged by his CIA wife. Plame's
>>>>>>> identity
>>>>>>> was exposed, most notably when the Post ran Novak's column on its
>>>>>>> op-ed
>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At that point, upon realizing the harm that was being done to
>>>>>>> Plame's
>>>>>>> network of foreign agents, honorable people might have pulled back
>>>>>>> and tried
>>>>>>> to limit the damage. But that would have required Bush, Cheney and
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> underlings to admit complicity in a dirty operation. Instead, they
>>>>>>> chose to
>>>>>>> cover up their roles and divert attention by further attacking the
>>>>>>> Plame-Wilson family.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When the CIA sought a criminal investigation into the leaking of
>>>>>>> Plame's
>>>>>>> identity in late summer 2003, the stakes rose higher for the White
>>>>>>> House.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For his part, Bush pretended to want a full investigation, declaring
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> September 2003 that he was determined to get to the bottom of who
>>>>>>> blew Plame's
>>>>>>> cover. In reality, however, the White House never undertook even an
>>>>>>> administrative review to assess responsibility for the leak.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James Knodell, White House security office director, later told
>>>>>>> Congress
>>>>>>> that no internal security investigation was performed; no security
>>>>>>> clearances were suspended or revoked; no punishment of any kind was
>>>>>>> meted
>>>>>>> out even when Rove later acknowledged that he had helped reveal
>>>>>>> Plame's
>>>>>>> classified identity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beyond hiding the White House role in the leak, the cover-up
>>>>>>> strategy
>>>>>>> shoveled more dirt onto Wilson.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Congressional Republicans, the right-wing news media and many
>>>>>>> mainstream
>>>>>>> journalists cherry-picked pieces of the story (like the anecdote
>>>>>>> about the
>>>>>>> suspected Iraqi desire for yellowcake) to make Wilson out to be a
>>>>>>> liar. In
>>>>>>> late 2005, Plame quit the CIA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still, Washington Post editor Hiatt and his powerful editorial page
>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>> trashing Wilson and mocking the seriousness of Plame's exposure
>>>>>>> almost a
>>>>>>> regular feature, often recycling White House talking points.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In effect, the Washington culture created a permissive environment
>>>>>>> for Bush
>>>>>>> to complete the "Plame-gate" cover-up on July 2, 2007, by commuting
>>>>>>> Libby's
>>>>>>> 30-month prison sentence. That ensured that Libby would be spared
>>>>>>> jail time
>>>>>>> and have no incentive to tell the full truth. [See
>>>>>>> Consortiumnews.com "The
>>>>>>> Libby Cover-up Completed [8]."]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Career Damage
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed, thanks to the Washington Post and other news outlets, the
>>>>>>> harshest
>>>>>>> penalties may have fallen on Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson, whose
>>>>>>> careers
>>>>>>> were shattered first by the leaking of Plame's identity and then by
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> incessant assaults on Wilson's credibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After reading Fair Game, one is left with the sickening realization
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> Bush's Washington has become a mean and mendacious place so lacking
>>>>>>> in honor
>>>>>>> that the city's preeminent politicians and pundits don't see any
>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>> apologize to the Wilson family for all the harm that was done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a decent world, political leaders and journalists, especially,
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> praise Joe Wilson for his patriotism - both for undertaking the CIA
>>>>>>> mission
>>>>>>> and for blowing the whistle on the President's abuse of intelligence
>>>>>>> to lead
>>>>>>> the nation to war.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But Washington is not that kind of place. Instead it is a city where
>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>> power - whether inside the White House or in the Post's editorial
>>>>>>> offices -
>>>>>>> means never having to say you're sorry.
>>>>>>> _______
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> About author Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in
>>>>>>> the 1980s
>>>>>>> for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Secrecy &
>>>>>>> Privilege:
>>>>>>> Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at
>>>>>>> secrecyandprivilege.com [9]. It's also available at Amazon.com [10],
>>>>>>> as is
>>>>>>> his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project
>>>>>>> Truth.'
>>>>>>> Robert Parry's web site is Consortium News [11]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such
>>>>>>> material
>>>>>>> available to advance understanding of
>>>>>>> political, human rights, democracy, scientific, and social justice
>>>>>>> issues. I
>>>>>>> believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright
>>>>>>> Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "A little patience and we shall see the reign of witches pass over,
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> spells dissolve, and the people recovering their true sight, restore
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime
>>>>>>> we are
>>>>>>> suffering deeply in spirit,
>>>>>>> and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous
>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>> debt. But if the game runs sometimes against us at home we must
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of
>>>>>>> winning
>>>>>>> back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where
>>>>>>> principles are at
>>>>>>> stake."
>>>>>>> -Thomas Jefferson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time for them to apologize to us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish they would just go away. They've both been proven as frauds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quit recycling this drivel.
>>>>>
>>>>> They haven't been proven as frauds. George Bush is regarded to be a
>>>>> fraud and
>>>>> a failure by most Americans, perhaps you had the two confused.
>>>>> WS
>>>>
>>>> He's not confused. Just overdosed on the Bush Junta KoolAid.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Educate yourself:
>>>
>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2103795/
>>
>> Stop getting your information from Alcoholic communists like Hitchens and
>> face the fact that the Bush Junta is filled with traitors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Is that all you have? A bunch of name-calling...

Is all you've got an alcoholic communist and Bush Junta propaganda?

>
>

 

[Joe Irvin]

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>>
>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:spMXi.21666$u7.14445@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>> Joe Irvin wrote:
>>>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place?
>>>>>> Well, according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>>>
>>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>
>>>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>
>>> What's the CIA
>>> afraid of that
>>> caused all the
>>> redaction in
>>> her book?
>>
>> I would guess, it was/is classified material. This doesn't mean she was
>> a 'covert agent.' One can be cleared to handle classified material and
>> not be a covert agent.
>
> And yet the CIA says she was a covert agent. So did the prosecutor. So
> did the judge.

They can say anything they want, but no one was held responsible for leaking
Ms Plame's name. The Judge, the FBI and Fitzgerald all knew who the real
leaker was, Armitage of the State Dept. He has not been charged ... no one
to my knowledge has been charged with leaking Ms Plame's name. Even the
judge has to go by the law ... apparently it was not broken since no one has
been charged with leaking.

> Why do you hate America?

What makes you think I hate America?
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Sid9]

Joe Irvin wrote:
> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
> news:472fee2a$0$17059$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>
>> "Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
>> news:fgo50h$klt$1@news04.infoave.net...
>>>
>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:spMXi.21666$u7.14445@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Joe Irvin wrote:
>>>>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>>>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place?
>>>>>>> Well, according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>>
>>>>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>
>>>> What's the CIA
>>>> afraid of that
>>>> caused all the
>>>> redaction in
>>>> her book?
>>>
>>> I would guess, it was/is classified material. This doesn't mean
>>> she was a 'covert agent.' One can be cleared to handle classified
>>> material and not be a covert agent.
>>
>> And yet the CIA says she was a covert agent. So did the prosecutor.
>> So did the judge.
>
> They can say anything they want, but no one was held responsible for
> leaking Ms Plame's name. The Judge, the FBI and Fitzgerald all knew
> who the real leaker was, Armitage of the State Dept. He has not been
> charged ... no one to my knowledge has been charged with leaking Ms
> Plame's name. Even the judge has to go by the law ... apparently it
> was not broken since no one has been charged with leaking.
>
>> Why do you hate America?
>
> What makes you think I hate America?


Lots of crimes go unounushed

 

[Joe Irvin]

"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
news:472fedd0$0$17059$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>
> "Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
> news:fgo3lo$jav$1@news04.infoave.net...
>>
>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place? Well,
>>>>according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>
>>>
>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>
>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>
>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> Well, according to the CIA, she was. But I guess traitors like yourself
> just don't care about treason.

The CIA doesn't get to determine what the law is, the courts do. They have
to follow the law just like everyone else. No one was found to have leaked
Ms Plame's name, so what the CIA says really has no meaning, its just their
opinion. To recognize this makes me treasonous???
>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Sid9]

Sid9 wrote:
> Joe Irvin wrote:
>> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:472fee2a$0$17059$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>>
>>> "Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:fgo50h$klt$1@news04.infoave.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:spMXi.21666$u7.14445@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>>> Joe Irvin wrote:
>>>>>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>>>>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place?
>>>>>>>> Well, according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the CIA
>>>>> afraid of that
>>>>> caused all the
>>>>> redaction in
>>>>> her book?
>>>>
>>>> I would guess, it was/is classified material. This doesn't mean
>>>> she was a 'covert agent.' One can be cleared to handle classified
>>>> material and not be a covert agent.
>>>
>>> And yet the CIA says she was a covert agent. So did the prosecutor.
>>> So did the judge.
>>
>> They can say anything they want, but no one was held responsible for
>> leaking Ms Plame's name. The Judge, the FBI and Fitzgerald all knew
>> who the real leaker was, Armitage of the State Dept. He has not been
>> charged ... no one to my knowledge has been charged with leaking Ms
>> Plame's name. Even the judge has to go by the law ... apparently it
>> was not broken since no one has been charged with leaking.
>>
>>> Why do you hate America?
>>
>> What makes you think I hate America?
>
>
> Lots of crimes go unounushed

Correction: Lots of crimes go unpunished

 

[Lamont Cranston]

"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
news:fgo3lo$jav$1@news04.infoave.net...
>
> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place? Well,
>>>according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>
>>
>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>
>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald concluded that she was. The Director of the
CIA confirmed that she was. After all of the information that has been made
available concerning her covert status, only a complete moron would continue
to deny it.


www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40012-2003Oct3?language=printer

Leak of Agent's Name Causes Exposure of CIA Front Firm

By Walter Pincus and Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, October 4, 2003; Page A03


The leak of a CIA operative's name has also exposed the identity of a CIA
front company, potentially expanding the damage caused by the original
disclosure, Bush administration officials said yesterday.

The company's identity, Brewster-Jennings & Associates, became public
because it appeared in Federal Election Commission records on a form filled
out in 1999 by Valerie Plame, the case officer at the center of the
controversy, when she contributed $1,000 to Al Gore's presidential primary
campaign.

After the name of the company was broadcast yesterday, administration
officials confirmed that it was a CIA front. They said the obscure and
possibly defunct firm was listed as Plame's employer on her W-2 tax forms in
1999 when she was working undercover for the CIA. Plame's name was first
published July 14 in a newspaper column by Robert D. Novak that quoted two
senior administration officials. They were critical of her husband, former
ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, for his handling of a CIA mission that
undercut President Bush's claim that Iraq had sought uranium from the
African nation of Niger for possible use in developing nuclear weapons.

The Justice Department began a formal criminal investigation of the leak
Sept. 26.

The inadvertent disclosure of the name of a business affiliated with the CIA
underscores the potential damage to the agency and its operatives caused by
the leak of Plame's identity. Intelligence officials have said that once
Plame's job as an undercover operative was revealed, other agency secrets
could be unraveled and her sources might be compromised or endangered.

A former diplomat who spoke on condition of anonymity said yesterday that
every foreign intelligence service would run Plame's name through its
databases within hours of its publication to determine if she had visited
their country and to reconstruct her activities.

"That's why the agency is so sensitive about just publishing her name," the
former diplomat said.

FEC rules require donors to list their employment. Plame used her married
name, Valerie E. Wilson, and listed her employment as an "analyst" with
Brewster-Jennings & Associates. The document establishes that Plame has
worked undercover within the past five years. The time frame is one of the
standards used in making determinations about whether a disclosure is a
criminal violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

It could not be learned yesterday whether other CIA operatives were
associated with Brewster-Jennings.

Also yesterday, the nearly 2,000 employees of the White House were given a
Tuesday deadline to scour their files and computers for any records related
to Wilson or contacts with journalists about Wilson. The broad order, in an
e-mail from White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales, directed them to retain
records "that relate in any way to former U.S. Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson,
his trip to Niger in February 2002, or his wife's purported relationship
with the Central Intelligence Agency."

White House employees received the e-mailed directive at 12:45 p.m., with an
all-capitalized subject line saying, "Important Follow-Up Message From
Counsel's Office." By 5 p.m. on Tuesday, employees must turn over copies of
relevant electronic records, telephone records, message slips, phone logs,
computer records, memos, and diaries and calendar entries.

The directive notes that lawyers in the counsel's office are attorneys for
the president in his official capacity and that they cannot provide personal
legal advice to employees.

For some officials, the task is a massive one. Some White House officials
said they had numerous conversations with Wilson that had nothing to do with
his wife, so the directive is seen as a heavy burden at a time when many of
the president's aides already feel beleaguered.

Officials at the Pentagon and State Department also have been asked to
retain records related to the case. Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said
yesterday: "We are doing our searches. . . . I'm not sure what they will be
looking for or what they wish to contact us about, but we are anxious to be
of all assistance to the inquiry."

In another development, FBI agents yesterday began attempts to interview
journalists who may have had conversations with government sources about
Plame and Wilson. It was not clear how many journalists had been contacted.
The FBI has interviewed Plame, ABC News reported.

Wilson and his wife have hired Washington lawyer Christopher Wolf to
represent them in the matter.

The couple has directed him to take a preliminary look at claims they might
be able to make against people they believe have impugned their character, a
source said.

The name of the CIA front company was broadcast yesterday by Novak, the
syndicated journalist who originally identified Plame. Novak, highlighting
Wilson's ties to Democrats, said on CNN that Wilson's "wife, the CIA
employee, gave $1,000 to Gore and she listed herself as an employee of
Brewster-Jennings & Associates."

"There is no such firm, I'm convinced," he continued. "CIA people are not
supposed to list themselves with fictitious firms if they're under a deep
cover -- they're supposed to be real firms, or so I'm told. Sort of adds to
the little mystery."

In fact, it appears the firm did exist, at least on paper. The Dun &
Bradstreet database of company names lists a firm that is called both
Brewster Jennings & Associates and Jennings Brewster & Associates.

The phone number in the listing is not in service, and the property manager
at the address listed said there is no such company at the property,
although records from 2000 were not available.

Wilson was originally listed as having given $2,000 to Gore during the
primary campaign in 1999, but the donation, over the legal limit of $1,000,
was "reattributed" so that Wilson and Plame each gave $1,000 to Gore. Wilson
also gave $1,000 to the Bush primary campaign, but there is no donation
listed from his wife.

Staff writers Dana Milbank, Susan Schmidt and Dana Priest, political
researcher Brian Faler and researcher Lucy Shackelford contributed to this
report.

 

[Lamont Cranston]

"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:spMXi.21666$u7.14445@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>> Joe Irvin wrote:
>>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place?
>>>>> Well, according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>>
>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>
>>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>
>> What's the CIA
>> afraid of that
>> caused all the
>> redaction in
>> her book?
>
> I would guess, it was/is classified material. This doesn't mean she was
> a 'covert agent.' One can be cleared to handle classified material and
> not be a covert agent.

The Director of the CIA confirmed that she was covert.

 

[Lamont Cranston]

"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
> news:472fee2a$0$17059$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>
>> "Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
>> news:fgo50h$klt$1@news04.infoave.net...
>>>
>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:spMXi.21666$u7.14445@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Joe Irvin wrote:
>>>>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>>>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place?
>>>>>>> Well, according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>>
>>>>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>
>>>> What's the CIA
>>>> afraid of that
>>>> caused all the
>>>> redaction in
>>>> her book?
>>>
>>> I would guess, it was/is classified material. This doesn't mean she
>>> was a 'covert agent.' One can be cleared to handle classified material
>>> and not be a covert agent.
>>
>> And yet the CIA says she was a covert agent. So did the prosecutor. So
>> did the judge.
>
> They can say anything they want, but no one was held responsible for
> leaking Ms Plame's name.

That is because the law required Fitzgerald to prove that leaker knew of her
covert status. He was unable to do that.

>The Judge, the FBI and Fitzgerald all knew who the real leaker was,
>Armitage of the State Dept.

Karl Rove and Scooter Libby also leaked her name -- do try to keep up. All
of this came out in the Libby trial.

>He has not been charged ... no one to my knowledge has been charged with
>leaking Ms Plame's name. Even the judge has to go by the law ...
>apparently it was not broken since no one has been charged with leaking.

Fitzgerald could not prove, as required by the applicable law, that any of
the leakers knew that she was a covert operative.

>
>> Why do you hate America?
>
> What makes you think I hate America?

Anybody who continues to deny the truth about the criminals in the White
House hates America.

 

[Lamont Cranston]

"Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
> news:472fedd0$0$17059$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>
>> "Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
>> news:fgo3lo$jav$1@news04.infoave.net...
>>>
>>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place? Well,
>>>>>according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>>
>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>
>>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>
>> Well, according to the CIA, she was. But I guess traitors like yourself
>> just don't care about treason.
>
> The CIA doesn't get to determine what the law is, the courts do. They
> have to follow the law just like everyone else. No one was found to have
> leaked Ms Plame's name, so what the CIA says really has no meaning, its
> just their opinion. To recognize this makes me treasonous???

Armitage, Rove, and Libby all were found to have leaked Plame's name.
Armitage leaked it to Novak, Rove leaked it to Cooper, and Libby leaked it
to Miller. All of this came out in Libby's trial. Did you miss it?

 

[Joe Irvin]

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Joe Irvin wrote:
>> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:472fee2a$0$17059$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>>
>>> "Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:fgo50h$klt$1@news04.infoave.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:spMXi.21666$u7.14445@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>>> Joe Irvin wrote:
>>>>>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>>>>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place?
>>>>>>>> Well, according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the CIA
>>>>> afraid of that
>>>>> caused all the
>>>>> redaction in
>>>>> her book?
>>>>
>>>> I would guess, it was/is classified material. This doesn't mean
>>>> she was a 'covert agent.' One can be cleared to handle classified
>>>> material and not be a covert agent.
>>>
>>> And yet the CIA says she was a covert agent. So did the prosecutor.
>>> So did the judge.
>>
>> They can say anything they want, but no one was held responsible for
>> leaking Ms Plame's name. The Judge, the FBI and Fitzgerald all knew
>> who the real leaker was, Armitage of the State Dept. He has not been
>> charged ... no one to my knowledge has been charged with leaking Ms
>> Plame's name. Even the judge has to go by the law ... apparently it
>> was not broken since no one has been charged with leaking.
>>
>>> Why do you hate America?
>>
>> What makes you think I hate America?
>
>
> Lots of crimes go unounushed

So you are opining that this is just a unpunished crime? ... they knew the
leaker! Did Fitzgerald forget what he was doing ... finding the leaker and
settled for Libby? Fitzgerald knew who the leaker was before the trial
began ... did he have an agenda? ...
>
>

 

[Joe Irvin]

"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@EvilFigher.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
> news:fgpttd$df0$1@news04.infoave.net...
>>
>> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:472fee2a$0$17059$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>>
>>> "Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:fgo50h$klt$1@news04.infoave.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:spMXi.21666$u7.14445@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>>> Joe Irvin wrote:
>>>>>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>>>>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place?
>>>>>>>> Well, according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the CIA
>>>>> afraid of that
>>>>> caused all the
>>>>> redaction in
>>>>> her book?
>>>>
>>>> I would guess, it was/is classified material. This doesn't mean she
>>>> was a 'covert agent.' One can be cleared to handle classified material
>>>> and not be a covert agent.
>>>
>>> And yet the CIA says she was a covert agent. So did the prosecutor. So
>>> did the judge.
>>
>> They can say anything they want, but no one was held responsible for
>> leaking Ms Plame's name.
>
> That is because the law required Fitzgerald to prove that leaker knew of
> her covert status. He was unable to do that.

Fitzgerald knew who leaked her name before the trial began, so did the FBI.
Why didn't he put Amitage on the stand and find out? Its cost a man his
reputation and job. How irresponsible is that?

>>The Judge, the FBI and Fitzgerald all knew who the real leaker was,
>>Armitage of the State Dept.
>
> Karl Rove and Scooter Libby also leaked her name -- do try to keep up.
> All of this came out in the Libby trial.

Yes it came out at the trial. Fitzgerald and the FBI knew before the trial
began who the leaker was. What was Fitzgeralds agenda?

>>He has not been charged ... no one to my knowledge has been charged with
>>leaking Ms Plame's name. Even the judge has to go by the law ...
>>apparently it was not broken since no one has been charged with leaking.
>
> Fitzgerald could not prove, as required by the applicable law, that any of
> the leakers knew that she was a covert operative.

How do you know Fitzgerald couldn't prove anything ... Armitage never was
charged with leaking Ms Plame's name. Something else was going on ... I
don't know what it was, but it was something. Fitzgerald knew the leaker
before the trial began.
>
>>
>>> Why do you hate America?
>>
>> What makes you think I hate America?
>
> Anybody who continues to deny the truth about the criminals in the White
> House hates America.

Until you can prove this was a crime, it your opinion only. Your opinion is
not law. The only thing I denied was that Ms Plame was a 'covert agent'
according to the law. No one was convicted of 'leaking' her name.
>
>

 

[Joe Irvin]

"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@EvilFigher.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
> news:fgo50h$klt$1@news04.infoave.net...
>>
>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:spMXi.21666$u7.14445@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>> Joe Irvin wrote:
>>>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place?
>>>>>> Well, according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>>>
>>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>
>>>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>
>>> What's the CIA
>>> afraid of that
>>> caused all the
>>> redaction in
>>> her book?
>>
>> I would guess, it was/is classified material. This doesn't mean she was
>> a 'covert agent.' One can be cleared to handle classified material and
>> not be a covert agent.
>
> The Director of the CIA confirmed that she was covert.

That was his opinion, it was not the law. The CIA Director doesn't get to
interpret the law, the courts do.
>
>

 

[Joe Irvin]

"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@EvilFigher.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
> news:fgpuhn$e8m$1@news04.infoave.net...
>>
>> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:472fedd0$0$17059$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>>
>>> "Joe Irvin" <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:fgo3lo$jav$1@news04.infoave.net...
>>>>
>>>> <Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:9h3vi3hgvl4lh09ahcar8r5pls503ed2qd@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:59:11 -0500, "Joe Irvin"
>>>>> <ji3486@sccoast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why was Plame sitting at a desk in Langley in the first place? Well,
>>>>>>according to Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> MOONIE TIMES??
>>>>>
>>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>>
>>>> V Plame, covert agent, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>>
>>> Well, according to the CIA, she was. But I guess traitors like yourself
>>> just don't care about treason.
>>
>> The CIA doesn't get to determine what the law is, the courts do. They
>> have to follow the law just like everyone else. No one was found to have
>> leaked Ms Plame's name, so what the CIA says really has no meaning, its
>> just their opinion. To recognize this makes me treasonous???
>
> Armitage, Rove, and Libby all were found to have leaked Plame's name.
> Armitage leaked it to Novak, Rove leaked it to Cooper, and Libby leaked it
> to Miller. All of this came out in Libby's trial. Did you miss it?

Didn't miss anything, I don't think. Which one of them were convicted of
leaking Ms Plame's name, the reason for the trial? Libby if I remember
correctly was convicted of purgery/obstruction of justice. ... no one was
charged with leaking Ms Plame's name.
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