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And this post my dear CES, illustrates why we are such good friends. You're such a good egg - I truly enjoy your clarity of thought and ability to express such.
Onward...........
An interesting thing to ponder... viewpoints based upon our own experience. Let me chew on this with you...I've not arrived at my own conclusion - still chewing...
So over the years I'm brought children who have been diagnosed with ADHD, classified as "slow learners", etc. So I bend and smile and greet the child and go on to handle them with great success. With various kids we have some interesting times in the beginning, but patience and skill wins the day.
Now, I'm thinking of a few specific cases here... I have children in front of me who "were a handful" at first, and who had specifically been removed from the public school system by their parents as they had refused to medicate their child, and refused the diagnosis.
As my score card mounts up... why wouldn't I form the opinion that these labels are purely bunk?
If I'm brought a dozen apples over the years and each time find I can't stand the taste... I'm gonna say I don't like the taste of apples!
Maybe you're very correct. I'm certain that there are children in worse condition than what I was handed. Maybe those are the "true" ADHD. I'd be interested in taking a crack at the worse cases...if I've yet to actually meet an ADHD..it would be interesting to see what I could do... but probably not in a secular school setting... I'd want to be able to use all the tools at my disposal, and that would mean using a plethora of Scientology techniques.
But... why wouldn't I have the Big Brass ***** to say that I don't believe in the "disorder", given my experience?
So let's just say... In general, I think most of the labels are bunk... from my own experience.
(example: I had some great exchanges with Lethal in the beginning, and it's taken a whole lot of **** to make me start thinking she's a witch without a broom or wits)
Yet... anyone can call themself a Scientologist. And if I met someone who had had a really bad experience with people who called themselves such, I wouldn't peg them as narrow-minded or the usual idiot if they held a bad opinion. (ho ho...imagine.. some poor sap meeting "T. Pat Pearson", Gene Wirchenko, that Peter guy, Brent Clarke, ohhh yeah... you'd think all Scientologists were wing-nuts) (these are a few I've met over the years, you'd run screaming from) ... if a person held this opinion and was unwilling to change it despite other evidence, well then, that would be narrow-minded. That would be a "stuck viewpoint", I'd say....
Dance buttons, dance!
Onward...........
An interesting thing to ponder... viewpoints based upon our own experience. Let me chew on this with you...I've not arrived at my own conclusion - still chewing...
I have a very limited experience with doctors - I think one helped deliver me..but that's almost the sum total of experience. But what you say sounds plausible. I'm willing to bet that if I had seen more doctors on a personal basis, I'd have a stronger viewpoint.The current method of creating physicians in this country is a complete joke. They select the genius people. Perfect academics, perfect activities, social movers and shakers, and basically your all around nerds. People with next to no soul if you ask me.
They take them, and bash into their brain to diagnose, classify and treat - the art of categorizing everything and prejudging. The teach them about the Pharmacopeia and how to use it to treat and to cure. What little shred of human being existed in the poor MD student when they entered medical school, is bashed right out of them so fast and so throughly by the time they get out and through their residency, that we are left with mostly mindless automatons. When was the last time you had a meaningful conversation with your physician? Ha! It's a pity. However, I do admit there are exceptions to this rule, and when I find one in the form of a great doctor, I hang on for dear life, but mostly in my experience, doctors are bozos.
Yes, these doctors love to classify, diagnose and prescribe and I agree that it happens way too much and too easily.
I hear what you're saying, and this may well be very true. But wait...A true ADHD child would never have been brought to you as a teacher. They are incapable of functioning in a regular classroom environment.
So over the years I'm brought children who have been diagnosed with ADHD, classified as "slow learners", etc. So I bend and smile and greet the child and go on to handle them with great success. With various kids we have some interesting times in the beginning, but patience and skill wins the day.
Now, I'm thinking of a few specific cases here... I have children in front of me who "were a handful" at first, and who had specifically been removed from the public school system by their parents as they had refused to medicate their child, and refused the diagnosis.
As my score card mounts up... why wouldn't I form the opinion that these labels are purely bunk?
If I'm brought a dozen apples over the years and each time find I can't stand the taste... I'm gonna say I don't like the taste of apples!
Maybe you're very correct. I'm certain that there are children in worse condition than what I was handed. Maybe those are the "true" ADHD. I'd be interested in taking a crack at the worse cases...if I've yet to actually meet an ADHD..it would be interesting to see what I could do... but probably not in a secular school setting... I'd want to be able to use all the tools at my disposal, and that would mean using a plethora of Scientology techniques.
But... why wouldn't I have the Big Brass ***** to say that I don't believe in the "disorder", given my experience?
So let's just say... In general, I think most of the labels are bunk... from my own experience.
I agree with you in theory here.. yet I wouldn't go so far as saying it's "narrow minded". Case by case basis. I've never seen Leprosy, but I don't disbelieve in it. Personally, I always strive to "keep the door open a crack" to have my opinion changed or altered in some way. In things that I have experience in, I'm going to have a viewpoint lodged in firmer certainty than otherwise. It's gonna take more to change the viewpoint -The point I was trying to make is that, one's experiences and observations guide one's viewpoints and that there is nothing wrong with that within that context. However, to allow oneself to formulate the conclusion that "it doesn't exist" simply because you have not personally observed or encountered it yourself, is in my opinion - narrow minded.
(example: I had some great exchanges with Lethal in the beginning, and it's taken a whole lot of **** to make me start thinking she's a witch without a broom or wits)
Oh yeah, I fully get what you're saying here. This is run of the mill stuff.. any snoop of the internet finds lots of evidence of rabid attack. You know from our previous postings that I don't subscribe to the idea of discounting something without any knowledge of it at all. (within the bounds of reasoning thinking men..ie, I don't have to practice cannibalism to form an opinion)I offered your Scientology viewpoints not as a negative or a criticism nor as the basis for your earlier statements, but rather the exact opposite!
For you and in your experience, they (Scientology and it's teachings/training) obviously have had a significant value and benefit to you, and are very much part of your reality. Would it be right for others to discount them simply because they have not had a personal experience or observation of what you have?
Yet... anyone can call themself a Scientologist. And if I met someone who had had a really bad experience with people who called themselves such, I wouldn't peg them as narrow-minded or the usual idiot if they held a bad opinion. (ho ho...imagine.. some poor sap meeting "T. Pat Pearson", Gene Wirchenko, that Peter guy, Brent Clarke, ohhh yeah... you'd think all Scientologists were wing-nuts) (these are a few I've met over the years, you'd run screaming from) ... if a person held this opinion and was unwilling to change it despite other evidence, well then, that would be narrow-minded. That would be a "stuck viewpoint", I'd say....
And...this is such a hoot for me. You're such a doll face. This is part of why I love you. You're such a thinking, rational type doll. I didn't mean to shake your painting... but I love the way you describe it.On a personal note, you offered to me the most wondrous firsthand experience of exactly what I am saying here!
You see, when I met you here at GF, I instantly liked what you had to say, the manner of how you said it, your wit and charm, your tongue in cheekiness. I enjoyed all of it and I came to respect what you had to say. We developed a friendship outside of the Internet and without a doubt, it had validity and substance to me and it spoke to me in ways that I could relate to and it still does so, even stronger.
But then...one day...out of the blue, you told me that you were a Scientologist, a lifelong practitioner, highly active and trained and a firm believer of it's principles. ****, you even worked in an environment whose purpose is to help people based upon these beliefs. I felt like I had just been plugged directly into the electric socket...I thought - "Whoa Horse, Whoa! ****!! Stop the **** boat I want to get off!!! What the **** just happened here????"
Yes, even me, the mighty CES - so set in my ways...experienced immediately..a shaking at the core, torn out of the safety and comfort of my own little world of viewpoint, slammed face down into the ground and got a nice big stomp on the back of my head for good measure. I thought to myself...how could this be? This is not possible. This does not compute. This does not concur with my personal experience and knowledge.
It was in that exact moment and with a blinding clarity I have not known before, that I realized that I had just met a flaw in my mind. I had formulated an opinion of Scientology and Scientologist without even trying and without knowing it. I had formed an opinion from "Non-experience", from the absence of observation. Holy ****! System Crash!! Processor halted!!! Need to reboot...
What a POWERFUL learning experience for me.
Now, it's time for me to go watch Dancing Buttons...
Dance buttons, dance!