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"The game was utter bullshit. seattles 12th man wears blue and green, pittsburghs wear black and white stripes. seattle 10, refs 21
and **** peace with islam. you cannot reason with the unreasonable. the "good" in them wont come out from more interactions only more blown up market places will result. followers of this false belief of islam deserve the death which they preach through their actions. your views of accepting them is the same as inviting your enemy to slit your throat while you sleep. their cult needs to be stomped out"
For one-The superbowl game example was meant only to give an example of a situation where people cause violence out of a deep feeling of passion and a "gang mentality". Who won didn't really matter. Obviously, you didn't see the actual point of the argument and only focused on the matter that was lying at the surface level.
Also, to counter my arguments that many protests were peaceful...you didn't counter at all. Your argument was dry and empty of any solid proof.
You've studied Islam, eh? Then you've probably heard quotes like "There should be no compulsion in religion." (2:256)
"Whosoever killed a person - unless it be for killing a person for creating disorder in the land - it shall be as if he killed all mankind." (Al Maidah, Ch5: v.33)
Allah said "O ye who believe! be steadfast in the cause of Allah, bearing witness in equity; and let not a people's enmity incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is nearer to righteousness."
Sura Al-Mai'dah - Ch. 5:V.9)
or that Jihad was seen as a spiritual battle..."O messenger of ***, what jihad could be greater than struggling against the unbelievers with the sword? He replied: "Struggling against the enemy in your own breast."
Even prisoners of War commended Muslims. "Thus the prisoners taken after the Battle of Badr themselves admitted that: By ***! The Muslims walked on foot while we were made to ride, they remained hungry themselves whist they fed us, they remained thirsty while they gave us water" (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Abu Daud)
or you probably already know that Islam is one of the first religions to give the woman the rights of inheritance and divorce. You probably also know that the sons always get a slightly larger share of the inheritance, because they are the providers of the family, while a woman's inheritance is meant only for her own personal security and must not be spent on her husband.
that Islamic regions were the first to claim that both the male and the female in the act of adultery deserve equal punishment.
That in the Abassid court, slaves were allowed to speak for themselves and marry non-slaves.
Even Islamic leaders have shut down violence:
" He who abandons kindness abandons religion. The Holy Qur'an teaches that whosoever kills a person without justifiable cause will be as if he killed the whole world. In the same way, I say that if someone is now kind unto hisbrother, it is like he has been unkind to the whole world."
-Al Hakm Vol. 9 No. 15 dated 30 April 1905 p.2 Commentary by the Promised Messiah, Vol.2 p.405
You probably also know that during the 15th and 16th centuries that thousands to millions of jews left Spain for the Ottomon Empire, an Islamic Empire, where they were not persecuted, because of persecution in their homeland.
You probably also know that one of the five major pillars of Islam states that 2-10+% of a person's income should be spent towards charity.
For all who don't know, I'm Hindu. I have no reason to defend this faith and it's people other than the sole fact that I believe that all humans are humane and have a natural and innate desire to be good to others. I also believe that religion, a product of humans, also is good until corrupted.
Hindus have long since been persecuted by Muslims, and the vice versa is true as well. I know that at times, like in December 1992 when the city of Bombay literally burned, I too had anti-muslim feelings. During that time, I remember how frightened we were to even speak to our Muslim friends and employees. However, it doesn't change the fact that in the aftermath, we met with them and realized that they too had been afraid of us. This fear of harm had led to the deaths of thousands of both faiths throughout India.
My only hope is that that kind of bloodshed needs not be witnessed by any other human being.
The only way that can occur, is if we realize that there are faults to all faiths and to all people and that among any religious group of people there are going to be a group of extremists who will utilize religion and corrupt it as a means to gain power.
To believe that steps towards peace with the Islamic World will lead to our own demise is foolish. Obviously, military steps and rude gestures towards the Islamic World haven't solved any of our problems. It's time we try the other path.
Peace, Shanthi, Salaam
and **** peace with islam. you cannot reason with the unreasonable. the "good" in them wont come out from more interactions only more blown up market places will result. followers of this false belief of islam deserve the death which they preach through their actions. your views of accepting them is the same as inviting your enemy to slit your throat while you sleep. their cult needs to be stomped out"
For one-The superbowl game example was meant only to give an example of a situation where people cause violence out of a deep feeling of passion and a "gang mentality". Who won didn't really matter. Obviously, you didn't see the actual point of the argument and only focused on the matter that was lying at the surface level.
Also, to counter my arguments that many protests were peaceful...you didn't counter at all. Your argument was dry and empty of any solid proof.
You've studied Islam, eh? Then you've probably heard quotes like "There should be no compulsion in religion." (2:256)
"Whosoever killed a person - unless it be for killing a person for creating disorder in the land - it shall be as if he killed all mankind." (Al Maidah, Ch5: v.33)
Allah said "O ye who believe! be steadfast in the cause of Allah, bearing witness in equity; and let not a people's enmity incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is nearer to righteousness."
Sura Al-Mai'dah - Ch. 5:V.9)
or that Jihad was seen as a spiritual battle..."O messenger of ***, what jihad could be greater than struggling against the unbelievers with the sword? He replied: "Struggling against the enemy in your own breast."
Even prisoners of War commended Muslims. "Thus the prisoners taken after the Battle of Badr themselves admitted that: By ***! The Muslims walked on foot while we were made to ride, they remained hungry themselves whist they fed us, they remained thirsty while they gave us water" (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Abu Daud)
or you probably already know that Islam is one of the first religions to give the woman the rights of inheritance and divorce. You probably also know that the sons always get a slightly larger share of the inheritance, because they are the providers of the family, while a woman's inheritance is meant only for her own personal security and must not be spent on her husband.
that Islamic regions were the first to claim that both the male and the female in the act of adultery deserve equal punishment.
That in the Abassid court, slaves were allowed to speak for themselves and marry non-slaves.
Even Islamic leaders have shut down violence:
" He who abandons kindness abandons religion. The Holy Qur'an teaches that whosoever kills a person without justifiable cause will be as if he killed the whole world. In the same way, I say that if someone is now kind unto hisbrother, it is like he has been unkind to the whole world."
-Al Hakm Vol. 9 No. 15 dated 30 April 1905 p.2 Commentary by the Promised Messiah, Vol.2 p.405
You probably also know that during the 15th and 16th centuries that thousands to millions of jews left Spain for the Ottomon Empire, an Islamic Empire, where they were not persecuted, because of persecution in their homeland.
You probably also know that one of the five major pillars of Islam states that 2-10+% of a person's income should be spent towards charity.
For all who don't know, I'm Hindu. I have no reason to defend this faith and it's people other than the sole fact that I believe that all humans are humane and have a natural and innate desire to be good to others. I also believe that religion, a product of humans, also is good until corrupted.
Hindus have long since been persecuted by Muslims, and the vice versa is true as well. I know that at times, like in December 1992 when the city of Bombay literally burned, I too had anti-muslim feelings. During that time, I remember how frightened we were to even speak to our Muslim friends and employees. However, it doesn't change the fact that in the aftermath, we met with them and realized that they too had been afraid of us. This fear of harm had led to the deaths of thousands of both faiths throughout India.
My only hope is that that kind of bloodshed needs not be witnessed by any other human being.
The only way that can occur, is if we realize that there are faults to all faiths and to all people and that among any religious group of people there are going to be a group of extremists who will utilize religion and corrupt it as a means to gain power.
To believe that steps towards peace with the Islamic World will lead to our own demise is foolish. Obviously, military steps and rude gestures towards the Islamic World haven't solved any of our problems. It's time we try the other path.
Peace, Shanthi, Salaam
