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Venezuelans Reject Chavez's Plans for Constitution (Update4)

By Matthew Walter and Helen Murphy


Dec. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez suffered his
first electoral loss in nine years as voters turned down his plan to
revamp the constitution and cement his power.

Chavez conceded the outcome today, while saying his ideas are ``still
alive.''

``This is a democracy,'' the president said in Caracas. ``For me, this
isn't a defeat. This is for now.''

The loss signals waning support for Chavez's drive to bring socialism
to the region's fourth-biggest economy by concentrating power in his
hands and ramping up state control of private lives. Voters refused to
abolish presidential term limits or allow government censorship during
declared emergencies. Chavez also sought to shorten the work day and
end central bank autonomy.

``This is the first significant setback that Chavez has ever had,''
said Adam Isacson, director at the Center for International Policy in
Washington. ``He has lost popular support. He has lost support of some
of the army and the poor.''

He has also lost confidence of investors. The government's 9 1/4
percent dollar bond due in 2027 tumbled 22 percent this year, with
almost half the loss coming in the month before the referendum.

Oil Fuels Growth

Chavez's 69 proposed changes to the constitution were grouped into two
blocks. The first set was rejected 50.7 percent to 49.3 percent, the
second block 51.1 percent to 48.9 percent. About 8.88 million people
voted, or 56 percent of those eligible, according to a statement on
the election agency's Web site.

Venezuela's 9 1/4 percent bond due in 2027 rose 4.10 cents on the
dollar at 8:27 a.m. New York time, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co.
The bond's yield fell 0.45 percentage point to 8.92 percent from 9.37
percent on Nov. 30.

Chavez's use of the words ``for now'' in his concession speech echo a
statement he made after his failed attempt to overthrow the government
in 1992. After that, ``for now'' became a rallying cry for his
supporters.

``I wouldn't be surprised if in the next few months he pushes most of
the ideas through the National Assembly,'' said Daniel Linsker, who
heads the Americas desk for Control Risks, a London-based business
risk consulting company. ``He comes out looking like a democrat;
Chavez is now legitimate and still looking for a way to remain in
office.''

`Empowered'

While oil exports fueled annual economic growth of more than 8 percent
over the past four years, the South American country has a credit
rating below investment grade. Its annual inflation rate, 17.2
percent, is the highest in the region.

``The opposition will emerge from its vote more energized and
empowered,'' said Gianfranco Bertozzi, a senior Latin America
economist for Lehman Brothers in New York. ``If handled carefully the
event could even herald a crumbling of the Bolivarian revolution,
although it's still early.''

Cheers, fireworks and the banging of pots and pans could be heard in a
mostly anti-Chavez Caracas neighborhood after the results were
announced. Supporters of the changes tore down posters that read ``Si
con Chavez.''

``The reform has just faded away, but our president is still with
us,'' said Yenier Bedoya, 22, a student and a nurse.

Four months after Chavez unveiled his plan to write a constitution
that would quicken his so-called Bolivarian socialist revolution, some
polls showed the referendum too close to call.

`Over the Top'

Opposition parties, student groups and some former allies, most
notably Chavez's ex-Defense Minister Raul Isaias Baduel, the general
who returned him to power after a 2002 coup, campaigned against the
proposal.

Their contention that the new constitution was a power grab resonated
with some of Chavez's supporters.

``President Chavez has given us much, but this time he's gone over the
top,'' Darwin Rodriguez, 23, a glass blower, said in an interview in
Caracas.

Baduel said after the results were announced that Chavez may continue
to push for the reforms he sought.

``We should be alert to the possibility that these changes will be
imposed through a different route than the constitution,'' he said in
comments broadcast by Globovision.

Demonstrations

Demonstrations turned violent at times over the past three months as
police regularly used tear gas and water cannons to control crowds of
protesters.

Chavez sought to fire up his backers with escalating attacks on the
U.S., foreign investors and the media in his final speeches before the
vote.

He told tens of thousands of supporters at a Nov. 30 rally that he was
prepared to cut off exports of oil to the U.S., Venezuela's biggest
trading partner, should the U.S. government try to stir up violence in
the country after the referendum. He also said he may nationalize
Spanish banks operating in the country to defend the ``dignity'' of
Venezuela, after Spanish King Juan Carlos I told him to ``shut up''
earlier this month.

Economists said the proposed changes to the constitution would curb
private investment and slow growth in Venezuela, South America's third-
biggest economy and its biggest oil exporter.

``The ball is in Chavez's court,'' said Teodoro Petkoff, a former
planning minister and editor of opposition newspaper Tal Cual, in
comments broadcast by Globovision. ``He can send a message to the
country: enough division, enough blaming, enough saying that if
someone is against him that person is against the world, a coup-
monger, a snake.''

Chavez said last week that if voters approve his plan, he's prepared
to stay in power until 2050.

``It's still too early for me to go,'' the former army lieutenant
colonel said Nov. 30. ``I'll give my life for Venezuela until the last
day.''

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The Lieberals need to be paying attention since they love more
government and more socialist programs.
 
On Dec 3, 8:35 am, Grandmaster Sensei Shaolin
<grandmastersenseishao...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Venezuelans Reject Chavez's Plans for Constitution (Update4)
>
> By Matthew Walter and Helen Murphy
>
> Dec. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez suffered his
> first electoral loss in nine years as voters turned down his plan to
> revamp the constitution and cement his power.
>
> Chavez conceded the outcome today, while saying his ideas are ``still
> alive.''
>
> ``This is a democracy,'' the president said in Caracas. ``For me, this
> isn't a defeat. This is for now.''
>
> The loss signals waning support for Chavez's drive to bring socialism
> to the region's fourth-biggest economy by concentrating power in his
> hands and ramping up state control of private lives. Voters refused to
> abolish presidential term limits or allow government censorship during
> declared emergencies. Chavez also sought to shorten the work day and
> end central bank autonomy.
>
> ``This is the first significant setback that Chavez has ever had,''
> said Adam Isacson, director at the Center for International Policy in
> Washington. ``He has lost popular support. He has lost support of some
> of the army and the poor.''
>
> He has also lost confidence of investors. The government's 9 1/4
> percent dollar bond due in 2027 tumbled 22 percent this year, with
> almost half the loss coming in the month before the referendum.
>
> Oil Fuels Growth
>
> Chavez's 69 proposed changes to the constitution were grouped into two
> blocks. The first set was rejected 50.7 percent to 49.3 percent, the
> second block 51.1 percent to 48.9 percent. About 8.88 million people
> voted, or 56 percent of those eligible, according to a statement on
> the election agency's Web site.
>
> Venezuela's 9 1/4 percent bond due in 2027 rose 4.10 cents on the
> dollar at 8:27 a.m. New York time, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co.
> The bond's yield fell 0.45 percentage point to 8.92 percent from 9.37
> percent on Nov. 30.
>
> Chavez's use of the words ``for now'' in his concession speech echo a
> statement he made after his failed attempt to overthrow the government
> in 1992. After that, ``for now'' became a rallying cry for his
> supporters.
>
> ``I wouldn't be surprised if in the next few months he pushes most of
> the ideas through the National Assembly,'' said Daniel Linsker, who
> heads the Americas desk for Control Risks, a London-based business
> risk consulting company. ``He comes out looking like a democrat;
> Chavez is now legitimate and still looking for a way to remain in
> office.''
>
> `Empowered'
>
> While oil exports fueled annual economic growth of more than 8 percent
> over the past four years, the South American country has a credit
> rating below investment grade. Its annual inflation rate, 17.2
> percent, is the highest in the region.
>
> ``The opposition will emerge from its vote more energized and
> empowered,'' said Gianfranco Bertozzi, a senior Latin America
> economist for Lehman Brothers in New York. ``If handled carefully the
> event could even herald a crumbling of the Bolivarian revolution,
> although it's still early.''
>
> Cheers, fireworks and the banging of pots and pans could be heard in a
> mostly anti-Chavez Caracas neighborhood after the results were
> announced. Supporters of the changes tore down posters that read ``Si
> con Chavez.''
>
> ``The reform has just faded away, but our president is still with
> us,'' said Yenier Bedoya, 22, a student and a nurse.
>
> Four months after Chavez unveiled his plan to write a constitution
> that would quicken his so-called Bolivarian socialist revolution, some
> polls showed the referendum too close to call.
>
> `Over the Top'
>
> Opposition parties, student groups and some former allies, most
> notably Chavez's ex-Defense Minister Raul Isaias Baduel, the general
> who returned him to power after a 2002 coup, campaigned against the
> proposal.
>
> Their contention that the new constitution was a power grab resonated
> with some of Chavez's supporters.
>
> ``President Chavez has given us much, but this time he's gone over the
> top,'' Darwin Rodriguez, 23, a glass blower, said in an interview in
> Caracas.
>
> Baduel said after the results were announced that Chavez may continue
> to push for the reforms he sought.
>
> ``We should be alert to the possibility that these changes will be
> imposed through a different route than the constitution,'' he said in
> comments broadcast by Globovision.
>
> Demonstrations
>
> Demonstrations turned violent at times over the past three months as
> police regularly used tear gas and water cannons to control crowds of
> protesters.
>
> Chavez sought to fire up his backers with escalating attacks on the
> U.S., foreign investors and the media in his final speeches before the
> vote.
>
> He told tens of thousands of supporters at a Nov. 30 rally that he was
> prepared to cut off exports of oil to the U.S., Venezuela's biggest
> trading partner, should the U.S. government try to stir up violence in
> the country after the referendum. He also said he may nationalize
> Spanish banks operating in the country to defend the ``dignity'' of
> Venezuela, after Spanish King Juan Carlos I told him to ``shut up''
> earlier this month.
>
> Economists said the proposed changes to the constitution would curb
> private investment and slow growth in Venezuela, South America's third-
> biggest economy and its biggest oil exporter.
>
> ``The ball is in Chavez's court,'' said Teodoro Petkoff, a former
> planning minister and editor of opposition newspaper Tal Cual, in
> comments broadcast by Globovision. ``He can send a message to the
> country: enough division, enough blaming, enough saying that if
> someone is against him that person is against the world, a coup-
> monger, a snake.''
>
> Chavez said last week that if voters approve his plan, he's prepared
> to stay in power until 2050.
>
> ``It's still too early for me to go,'' the former army lieutenant
> colonel said Nov. 30. ``I'll give my life for Venezuela until the last
> day.''
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The Lieberals need to be paying attention since they love more
> government and more socialist programs.


Curious, that this is called an "electoral defeat". This wasn't an
election. It was a referendum on major constitutional changes. Being
a democratic leader, Chavez seeks popular mandates. He barely lost.
The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader is
understandable. He represents the people, and he will respect their
will. Of course, he could always have another referendum on these
issues!
 

>
> Curious, that this is called an "electoral defeat".


Becuase Chavez staged it that way with the slogan "Sigue con Chavez" roughly
" Yes let's go with Chavez."
http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10214956

This wasn't an
> election. It was a referendum on major constitutional changes. Being
> a democratic leader, Chavez seeks popular mandates. He barely lost.
> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader is
> understandable.


Utter cark. Many who were with him before went against him on this election.
They felt he was becoming anti democracy.
http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10214956

He represents the people, and he will respect their
> will.


If he represented the people, he would never have proposed a situation where
he would be in power as a virutal dictator until he retired in 2050. If
indeed he retired. He represents Chavez's view of how things ought to be and
nothing else. Funny how left wingers are so hipped on one party and one
leader for life.

Of course, he could always have another referendum on these
> issues!


Of course he also controls the army so he doesnt have to. He wants to be
like your hero Castro and face no elections.
 
On Dec 3, 10:12 am, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:
> > Curious, that this is called an "electoral defeat".

>
> Becuase Chavez staged it that way with the slogan "Sigue con Chavez" roughly
> " Yes let's go with Chavez."http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10214956
>
> This wasn't an
>
> > election. It was a referendum on major constitutional changes. Being
> > a democratic leader, Chavez seeks popular mandates. He barely lost.
> > The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader is
> > understandable.

>
> Utter cark. Many who were with him before went against him on this election.
> They felt he was becoming anti democracy.http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10214956
>
> He represents the people, and he will respect their
>
> > will.

>
> If he represented the people, he would never have proposed a situation where
> he would be in power as a virutal dictator until he retired in 2050. If
> indeed he retired. He represents Chavez's view of how things ought to be and
> nothing else. Funny how left wingers are so hipped on one party and one
> leader for life.
>
> Of course, he could always have another referendum on these
>
> > issues!

>
> Of course he also controls the army so he doesnt have to. He wants to be
> like your hero Castro and face no elections.


Castro isn't my hero. But his government is superior to most in Latin
America: better distribution of wealth, higher average life
expectancy, less crime, better health care, better education. Which
is why Latin America is going communist. Thank George Bush: Bush =
"Instant Communism"!
 
On Dec 3, 10:20 am, "Wayne Dobson" <nos...@noaddress.com> wrote:
> "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:4ZV4j.55$pq.26@newsfe24.lga...
>
>
>
> >> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader is
> >> understandable.

> > More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:
> >http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10214956

>
> Why are you so interested in Chavez?
>
> --
> Wayne Dobson
> AKA "Dobbie The House Elf"


Because he's easier to pick on than Communist China!!!
 
"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:377b7481-092e-4310-bd67-36c9a9438aaa@d61g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 3, 10:12 am, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:
>> > Curious, that this is called an "electoral defeat".

>>
>> Becuase Chavez staged it that way with the slogan "Sigue con Chavez"
>> roughly
>> " Yes let's go with
>> Chavez."http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10214956

> Castro isn't my hero. But his government is superior to most in Latin
> America: better distribution of wealth, higher average life
> expectancy, less crime, better health care, better education.


More left wing cark. Is that why so many people try to float out of there?
Think how much better off the Germans were under Hitler. There is no
difference between Castro and Hitler.

"there are signs that the Chavez magic is starting to fade. Inflation is
rising, while three years of price controls mean that basic foods such as
milk, eggs, and flour are often unattainable. Violent crime is rampant,
especially in poorer areas."
Another socialist failure looming.

Which
> is why Latin America is going communist. Thank George Bush: Bush =
> "Instant Communism"!


What will you do when Bush is no longer in office? Who will you blame for
every ill that besets the world? Who will you blame for your jock itch and
plantar warts? More left wing cark. Get real.
 
"Wayne Dobson" <nospam@noaddress.com> wrote in message
news:61W4j.2189$kt3.412@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> "Herbert Cannon" <hcannon18@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4ZV4j.55$pq.26@newsfe24.lga...
>>
>>> The hatred of the right wing for this fine, democratic leader is
>>> understandable.

>> More on how your fine left wing dicator operates:
>> http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10214956

>
> Why are you so interested in Chavez?
>

Cause he is right below us. Are you not interested in the rest of Europe?
 

>
> Because he's easier to pick on than Communist China!!!


They are a hell of a long way away and very interesting too. I am picking on
you dolt.
 
Which
> is why Latin America is going communist. Thank George Bush: Bush =
> "Instant Communism"!

Should we also thank George Bush for the Venezuelan people seeing through
your fine left wing dictator and rejecting him as dictator for life? Face it
dim wit the people of South America make there own choices for better or
worse and have to live with them. Unlike you, they should not blame someone
else for their ****ups.
 
On Dec 3, 10:50 am, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:
> Which> is why Latin America is going communist. Thank George Bush: Bush =
> > "Instant Communism"!

>
> Should we also thank George Bush for the Venezuelan people seeing through
> your fine left wing dictator and rejecting him as dictator for life? Face it
> dim wit the people of South America make there own choices for better or
> worse and have to live with them. Unlike you, they should not blame someone
> else for their ****ups.


I see you're a martial arts and gun freak. Why am I not surprised?

I realize the concept that people should work together to try to solve
social problems would be difficult for someone who sees destruction
and killing as the only useful forms of social interaction to
comprehend, but there are, believe it or not, other ways of doing
things.

Actually, you've already lost. The only way to keep the U.S. economy
going to move to the left -- socialism. That's why they're arranging
to freeze mortgage payments. You know, getting the government to help
people with their problems. The kind of stuff people like you really
hate.
 
"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1906@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:34526e55-3cb7-40ea-a814-8494fe9f006a@s36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 3, 10:50 am, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Which> is why Latin America is going communist. Thank George Bush:
>> Bush =
>> > "Instant Communism"!

>>
>> Should we also thank George Bush for the Venezuelan people seeing through
>> your fine left wing dictator and rejecting him as dictator for life? Face
>> it
>> dim wit the people of South America make there own choices for better or
>> worse and have to live with them. Unlike you, they should not blame
>> someone
>> else for their ****ups.

>
> I see you're a martial arts and gun freak.


No ****. Well this newsgroup is titled recreational martial arts last time I
looked. Most of the people here are martial arts freaks. So why are you
posting here. You lost? What are you some kind of wimpy please call the
authorities these meanies may hurt me freak? I think there may be a few more
freaks like me here so I would watch your tongue.

Why am I not surprised?

I give up? Why are you not surprised. Maybe because you are real stupid and
wimpy cross poster?

>
> I realize the concept that people should work together to try to solve
> social problems would be difficult for someone who sees destruction
> and killing as the only useful forms of social interaction to
> comprehend, but there are, believe it or not, other ways of doing
> things.


Really do tell; and tell that to the bully, the mugger, the home invader,
the next person who shakes you down for your lunch money. You gonna talk em
out of it. Tell em how society failed them and that you should sit down and
talk it out. I realize the concept one should learn how to take care of
themselves is not exactly your way of doing things; but freaky as it seems
to you it is mine and a few others here.
>
> Actually, you've already lost. The only way to keep the U.S. economy
> going to move to the left -- socialism.


Really. How far you gonna move it dumbo? You gonna destroy all incentive
with it?

That's why they're arranging
> to freeze mortgage payments. You know, getting the government to help
> people with their problems.


They aint gonna freeze it forever dumbo. What's the matter you have not
figured out why rent controls dont work? The dont work because there is no
incentive to build new buildings. Temporary measures to help people is not
socialism dumbo.

The kind of stuff people like you really
> hate.

The kind of stuff I love is having people being able to take care of
themselves. Being individuals. Not being dependent on government to do
everything for them so it can control their lives, tell them what to think,
tell them how to act, tell them how to vote, tell them there should be only
one way, tell them there should be only one leader, tell them they should be
regulated for their own good, tell them they should not own weapons, tell
them they should let the authorites take care of any unpleasantness in their
lives, tell them they should not study martial arts cause they might be able
to, heaven forbid, defend themselves.
I love all those things that make me free and you hate.
Get lost you wimp ass freak.
 
On Dec 3, 11:22 am, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:34526e55-3cb7-40ea-a814-8494fe9f006a@s36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Dec 3, 10:50 am, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> Which> is why Latin America is going communist. Thank George Bush:
> >> Bush =
> >> > "Instant Communism"!

>
> >> Should we also thank George Bush for the Venezuelan people seeing through
> >> your fine left wing dictator and rejecting him as dictator for life? Face
> >> it
> >> dim wit the people of South America make there own choices for better or
> >> worse and have to live with them. Unlike you, they should not blame
> >> someone
> >> else for their ****ups.

>
> > I see you're a martial arts and gun freak.

>
> No ****. Well this newsgroup is titled recreational martial arts last time I
> looked. Most of the people here are martial arts freaks. So why are you
> posting here. You lost? What are you some kind of wimpy please call the
> authorities these meanies may hurt me freak? I think there may be a few more
> freaks like me here so I would watch your tongue.
>
> Why am I not surprised?
>
> I give up? Why are you not surprised. Maybe because you are real stupid and
> wimpy cross poster?
>
>
>
> > I realize the concept that people should work together to try to solve
> > social problems would be difficult for someone who sees destruction
> > and killing as the only useful forms of social interaction to
> > comprehend, but there are, believe it or not, other ways of doing
> > things.

>
> Really do tell; and tell that to the bully, the mugger, the home invader,
> the next person who shakes you down for your lunch money. You gonna talk em
> out of it. Tell em how society failed them and that you should sit down and
> talk it out. I realize the concept one should learn how to take care of
> themselves is not exactly your way of doing things; but freaky as it seems
> to you it is mine and a few others here.
>
>
>
> > Actually, you've already lost. The only way to keep the U.S. economy
> > going to move to the left -- socialism.

>
> Really. How far you gonna move it dumbo? You gonna destroy all incentive
> with it?
>
> That's why they're arranging
>
> > to freeze mortgage payments. You know, getting the government to help
> > people with their problems.

>
> They aint gonna freeze it forever dumbo. What's the matter you have not
> figured out why rent controls dont work? The dont work because there is no
> incentive to build new buildings. Temporary measures to help people is not
> socialism dumbo.
>
> The kind of stuff people like you really> hate.
>
> The kind of stuff I love is having people being able to take care of
> themselves. Being individuals. Not being dependent on government to do
> everything for them so it can control their lives, tell them what to think,
> tell them how to act, tell them how to vote, tell them there should be only
> one way, tell them there should be only one leader, tell them they should be
> regulated for their own good, tell them they should not own weapons, tell
> them they should let the authorites take care of any unpleasantness in their
> lives, tell them they should not study martial arts cause they might be able
> to, heaven forbid, defend themselves.
> I love all those things that make me free and you hate.
> Get lost you wimp ass freak.


You're so witty!
 

> > Should we also thank George Bush for the Venezuelan people seeing through
> > your fine left wing dictator and rejecting him as dictator for life? Face it
> > dim wit the people of South America make there own choices for better or
> > worse and have to live with them. Unlike you, they should not blame someone
> > else for their ****ups.

>
> I see you're a martial arts and gun freak. Why am I not surprised?


Someone who believes that he has not only the right but a
reponsibility to protect himself and his family; what exactly is it
about this that bothers you? Do you honestly believe that the
government can protect you from everything? Have you not noticed fact
that violent crime tends to RISE in areas where people are deprived of
their rights regarding self-defense?

> I realize the concept that people should work together to try to solve
> social problems would be difficult for someone who sees destruction
> and killing as the only useful forms of social interaction to
> comprehend, but there are, believe it or not, other ways of doing
> things.


What is very easy to comprehend is that socialism simply does not
work. Name one instance where it has improved the lives of those it
has been imposed opon? Why do you think the people of Venezuela
opposed his plans to go further down that path?

> Actually, you've already lost. The only way to keep the U.S. economy
> going to move to the left -- socialism.


Wrong. Moving to the left is a large part of what caused our problems
in the first place; moving further to the left would be a disaster.
The US became a global power via capitialism - the free market. It
has been proven time and time again.

> That's why they're arranging to freeze mortgage payments.


The fact that "they" are arranging anything at all part of the
problem.

> You know, getting the government to help
> people with their problems. The kind of stuff people like you really
> hate.


Ah, yes... the mantra of socialism. Help people overcome the problems
you imposed on them in the first place. All because you're the ones
who care.
 
On Dec 3, 11:32 am, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:
> You're so witty!
>
> And truthful, You dumbass cross poster.


I'm just curious, what exactly is the difference between a "dumbass"
and a "smartass"?
 
On Dec 3, 11:36 am, Shuurai <Shuura...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Should we also thank George Bush for the Venezuelan people seeing through
> > > your fine left wing dictator and rejecting him as dictator for life? Face it
> > > dim wit the people of South America make there own choices for better or
> > > worse and have to live with them. Unlike you, they should not blame someone
> > > else for their ****ups.

>
> > I see you're a martial arts and gun freak. Why am I not surprised?

>
> Someone who believes that he has not only the right but a
> reponsibility to protect himself and his family; what exactly is it
> about this that bothers you? Do you honestly believe that the
> government can protect you from everything? Have you not noticed fact
> that violent crime tends to RISE in areas where people are deprived of
> their rights regarding self-defense?
>
> > I realize the concept that people should work together to try to solve
> > social problems would be difficult for someone who sees destruction
> > and killing as the only useful forms of social interaction to
> > comprehend, but there are, believe it or not, other ways of doing
> > things.

>
> What is very easy to comprehend is that socialism simply does not
> work. Name one instance where it has improved the lives of those it
> has been imposed opon? Why do you think the people of Venezuela
> opposed his plans to go further down that path?
>
> > Actually, you've already lost. The only way to keep the U.S. economy
> > going to move to the left -- socialism.

>
> Wrong. Moving to the left is a large part of what caused our problems
> in the first place; moving further to the left would be a disaster.
> The US became a global power via capitialism - the free market. It
> has been proven time and time again.
>
> > That's why they're arranging to freeze mortgage payments.

>
> The fact that "they" are arranging anything at all part of the
> problem.
>
> > You know, getting the government to help
> > people with their problems. The kind of stuff people like you really
> > hate.

>
> Ah, yes... the mantra of socialism. Help people overcome the problems
> you imposed on them in the first place. All because you're the ones
> who care.


So, when are you signing up for Iraq, tough guy? I promise, I'll see
you off at the airport. Have a nice trip.
 
A dumbass likes to ask questions like: " I'm just curious, what exactly is
the difference between a "dumbass"
> and a "smartass"?

Does that answer your question, dumbass?
 
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