Wanna See How Iran or China Will Kick Our Butts?

[Gunner]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:39:13 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Gunner wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:10:28 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Gunner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:23:46 -0700, "stuart.grey@comcast.net"
>>>><stuart.grey@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Gunner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 05:34:12 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He's alive and well in NW Pakistan. He was never the target of the
>>>>>>>American invasion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So where is his videos and whatnot? He seems to be rather camera shy
>>>>>>since we bombed the **** out of Tora Bora.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>American invasion of what country? Of course he wasnt the target of ANY
>>>>>>invasion. Who claimed he was?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gunner
>>>>>
>>>>>He may be alive, but people who've been the target of B-52 carpet
>>>>>bombing tend to be changed people. It may be that he's missing a few
>>>>>chunks of flesh or has gone whited haired and gibbering and is not ...
>>>>>good photogenic propaganda material any more.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There is indeed that too. And since he is/was dependant on
>>>>dialysis
>>>
>>>That's a rumor, not a fact.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not when its testified to by his driver, his body guards and his second
>> in commands
>
>Even if it's testified to by his driver, his bodyguards, and his second
>in command (which it wasn't), it's rumor, not fact.

so what would make it fact?

Gunner

The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose
and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology
has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence,
and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years
.. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints,
and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been
as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

 

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Mar 24, 7:51 am, Nick Hull <n...@isp.com> wrote:
> In article <1174705628.739170.242...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > The US has the greatest nuclear arsenal and the greatest delivery system
> > > of all the rest of the world combined.
>
> > LOL...and this greatest nuclear arsenal and the greatest delivery
> > system of all the rest of the world combined did WHAT for the US when
> > 9/11 occurred?
>
> 9/11 had fewer casualties than 3 months worth of traffic accidents. We
> could have ignored it completely. Maybe we should have.
> Committees of Correspondence Web page:- tinyurl.com/y7th2c
>


> 9/11 had fewer casualties than 3 months worth of traffic accidents. We
> could have ignored it completely. Maybe we should have.
>

Logic dictates that the same could have been said of Pearl Harbor.

TMT

 

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Mar 24, 7:02 am, "RONSERESURPLUS" <RONSERESURP...@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> On Mar 23, 4:17?pm, "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Anybody want to lose a carrier or two?
>
> > GEE
>
> "TOO MANY FOOLS", wonder where the Chinese got most of the
> electronics and upgrades to most of thier weaponry? I know you LOVE TO
> IGNORE all the DEALS that Billy Clintoon and AL "OUT OF HIS MIND
> GLOBAL WARMING" Gore did while they were infesting the white house?
> News to you asshole, they have had and upgrade all the time, would
> they and will they use them? Thats all a matter of how hard the push
> for Taiwan goes? I know that you'd love to blame everything from a
> Rainstorm to herpies on the Bush administration, but in the end, we
> see you for that which you are, a partasian Dickhead with a Mook Lib
> Leftist Agenda! Tell us all more of what your wonderful Dems have done
> while they have had control of the House and Senate? Other than show
> Trials, Cut and Cut Policy, Whining about how they want to raise taxes
> and obstruction of anything real? LOL Yea, we sure are glad those
> Fools are in there, think your side will win in 08? With Who? Queen
> Hillery? Osama Obama? Gore? Stop it, your making us all laugh too
> hard! As for the House and Senate, next elections on those have a good
> chance of flying right out of your hands again? LOL YUP< live it Up
> foolish one, your days are numbered!
>
> RON

Well Ron once again you choose to ignore the fact that more technology
(and Amercian jobs) have been transferred to America's enemies by the
Bush Administration than under the previous Clinton
Administration....and that technology is being used against our
soldiers in Iraq now.

Republicans always place profits (their profits over the lives and
safety of Americans.

TMT

 

[Andrealphus]

In News 1175042880.951044.6330@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, Too_Many_Tools
at too_many_tools@yahoo.com, typed this:

> On Mar 24, 7:51 am, Nick Hull <n...@isp.com> wrote:
>> In article <1174705628.739170.242...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> The US has the greatest nuclear arsenal and the greatest delivery
>>>> system of all the rest of the world combined.
>>
>>> LOL...and this greatest nuclear arsenal and the greatest delivery
>>> system of all the rest of the world combined did WHAT for the US
>>> when 9/11 occurred?
>>
>> 9/11 had fewer casualties than 3 months worth of traffic accidents.
>> We could have ignored it completely. Maybe we should have.
>> Committees of Correspondence Web page:- tinyurl.com/y7th2c
>>
>
>
>> 9/11 had fewer casualties than 3 months worth of traffic accidents.
>> We could have ignored it completely. Maybe we should have.
>>
>
> Logic dictates that the same could have been said of Pearl Harbor.
>
> TMT

The difference being, of course, the cars aren't attacking us.

 

[Andrealphus]

In News UhdOh.13337$un.8702@trnddc03,, Patriot Games at
Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com, typed this:

> "Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
> news:YcYNh.18012$Jl.7319@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News MPG.2071f85f356ca297989e23@netnews.mchsi.com,, Desmond and
>> Molly Jones at dmj@spamspamspamspam.org, typed this:
>>> In article <9GUNh.13085$un.7506@trnddc03>, Patriot Games at
>>> Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com says...
>>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1174688265.380348.24810@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Anybody want to lose a carrier or two?
>>>> Nope.
>>>>> If you can read, you will see that the US Navy has NO defense
>>>>> against this.
>>>> You assume we need one.
>>>> Perhaps you'll explain how Iran can defend against the Stealth
>>>> Bombers and Stealth Fighters that will go in FIRST and take out
>>>> these missle launch sites????
>>> Not to mention the cruise missiles.
>>> But if you think a carrier is invincible, you better think again.
>> They're not invincible by any means, but they are damned hard to
>> sink. I served aboard the U.S.S. Independence and the U.S.S.
>> Eisenhower. When they set Condition Zebra, you have a whole bunch
>> of steel to breach to sink one. He's right though, they're not going
>> to send in a Carrier Group first, and I'll tell you like they told
>> us our first day on the ship, in combat, a carrier's only function
>> is to get one good airstrike into the air, anything after that is
>> gravy. With Iran, whose Navy is limited, if that, the Carrier
>> wouldn't even really need to enter the Pursian Gulf at all.
>
> We have F117s in theatre now.
>
> We can bring Stealth Bombers over in a few hours, refeuling in the
> air both ways...
>
> We have THREE fully armed, fully supplied, fully gung-ho Carrier
> Battle Groups in the Persian Gulf already...
>
> And we NOW have a some very irritated Brits and their SAS who would
> like some Iranian ass for dinner...
>
> This isn't take long and it could start literally any day.

It's been a while since I was in the service, the F-16 Tomcats were being
deployed just before my enlistment was up. The Eisenhower was brand
spanking new, and the Stennis was just a dream on a planning table.

 

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Mar 27, 7:28 pm, "Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAI...@FAM.NET> wrote:
> In News 1175042880.951044.6...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, Too_Many_Tools
> at too_many_to...@yahoo.com, typed this:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 24, 7:51 am, Nick Hull <n...@isp.com> wrote:
> >> In article <1174705628.739170.242...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> The US has the greatest nuclear arsenal and the greatest delivery
> >>>> system of all the rest of the world combined.
>
> >>> LOL...and this greatest nuclear arsenal and the greatest delivery
> >>> system of all the rest of the world combined did WHAT for the US
> >>> when 9/11 occurred?
>
> >> 9/11 had fewer casualties than 3 months worth of traffic accidents.
> >> We could have ignored it completely. Maybe we should have.
> >> Committees of Correspondence Web page:- tinyurl.com/y7th2c
>
> >> 9/11 had fewer casualties than 3 months worth of traffic accidents.
> >> We could have ignored it completely. Maybe we should have.
>
> > Logic dictates that the same could have been said of Pearl Harbor.
>
> > TMT
>
> The difference being, of course, the cars aren't attacking us.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>
> The difference being, of course, the cars aren't attacking us.
>

LOL...ever driven in rush hour?

With Texas passing the new gun law I expect their rush hours to be
much more interesting and deadly as road rage becomes "I was defending
myself from that 80 year old Grandma who cut me off....."

TMT

 

[Patriot Games]

"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
news:tjtOh.17443$tD2.12413@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> In News UhdOh.13337$un.8702@trnddc03,, Patriot Games at
> Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com, typed this:
>> "Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
>> news:YcYNh.18012$Jl.7319@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> In News MPG.2071f85f356ca297989e23@netnews.mchsi.com,, Desmond and
>>> Molly Jones at dmj@spamspamspamspam.org, typed this:
>>>> In article <9GUNh.13085$un.7506@trnddc03>, Patriot Games at
>>>> Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com says...
>>>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1174688265.380348.24810@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Anybody want to lose a carrier or two?
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>> If you can read, you will see that the US Navy has NO defense
>>>>>> against this.
>>>>> You assume we need one.
>>>>> Perhaps you'll explain how Iran can defend against the Stealth
>>>>> Bombers and Stealth Fighters that will go in FIRST and take out
>>>>> these missle launch sites????
>>>> Not to mention the cruise missiles.
>>>> But if you think a carrier is invincible, you better think again.
>>> They're not invincible by any means, but they are damned hard to
>>> sink. I served aboard the U.S.S. Independence and the U.S.S.
>>> Eisenhower. When they set Condition Zebra, you have a whole bunch
>>> of steel to breach to sink one. He's right though, they're not going
>>> to send in a Carrier Group first, and I'll tell you like they told
>>> us our first day on the ship, in combat, a carrier's only function
>>> is to get one good airstrike into the air, anything after that is
>>> gravy. With Iran, whose Navy is limited, if that, the Carrier
>>> wouldn't even really need to enter the Pursian Gulf at all.
>> We have F117s in theatre now.
>> We can bring Stealth Bombers over in a few hours, refeuling in the
>> air both ways...
>> We have THREE fully armed, fully supplied, fully gung-ho Carrier
>> Battle Groups in the Persian Gulf already...
>> And we NOW have a some very irritated Brits and their SAS who would
>> like some Iranian ass for dinner...
>> This isn't take long and it could start literally any day.
> It's been a while since I was in the service, the F-16 Tomcats were being
> deployed just before my enlistment was up.

F-14 Tomcats, F-16 Falcons.

> The Eisenhower was brand spanking new, and the Stennis was just
> a dream on a planning table.

Ike was launched in 1975 (I was still in Southeast Asia) and commissioned in
1977 (I was in Europe then).

 

[Andrealphus]

In News cDwOh.47337$vI1.36808@trnddc02,, Patriot Games at
Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com, typed this:

> "Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
> news:tjtOh.17443$tD2.12413@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News UhdOh.13337$un.8702@trnddc03,, Patriot Games at
>> Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com, typed this:
>>> "Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
>>> news:YcYNh.18012$Jl.7319@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> In News MPG.2071f85f356ca297989e23@netnews.mchsi.com,, Desmond and
>>>> Molly Jones at dmj@spamspamspamspam.org, typed this:
>>>>> In article <9GUNh.13085$un.7506@trnddc03>, Patriot Games at
>>>>> Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com says...
>>>>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1174688265.380348.24810@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> Anybody want to lose a carrier or two?
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>> If you can read, you will see that the US Navy has NO defense
>>>>>>> against this.
>>>>>> You assume we need one.
>>>>>> Perhaps you'll explain how Iran can defend against the Stealth
>>>>>> Bombers and Stealth Fighters that will go in FIRST and take out
>>>>>> these missle launch sites????
>>>>> Not to mention the cruise missiles.
>>>>> But if you think a carrier is invincible, you better think again.
>>>> They're not invincible by any means, but they are damned hard to
>>>> sink. I served aboard the U.S.S. Independence and the U.S.S.
>>>> Eisenhower. When they set Condition Zebra, you have a whole bunch
>>>> of steel to breach to sink one. He's right though, they're not
>>>> going to send in a Carrier Group first, and I'll tell you like
>>>> they told us our first day on the ship, in combat, a carrier's
>>>> only function is to get one good airstrike into the air, anything
>>>> after that is gravy. With Iran, whose Navy is limited, if that,
>>>> the Carrier wouldn't even really need to enter the Pursian Gulf at
>>>> all.
>>> We have F117s in theatre now.
>>> We can bring Stealth Bombers over in a few hours, refeuling in the
>>> air both ways...
>>> We have THREE fully armed, fully supplied, fully gung-ho Carrier
>>> Battle Groups in the Persian Gulf already...
>>> And we NOW have a some very irritated Brits and their SAS who would
>>> like some Iranian ass for dinner...
>>> This isn't take long and it could start literally any day.
>> It's been a while since I was in the service, the F-16 Tomcats were
>> being deployed just before my enlistment was up.
>
> F-14 Tomcats, F-16 Falcons.

Yep, you're right. I told you its been a while. LOL! I was still mourning
the mothballing of the Vigilanti, those birds had class. Was a hell of a
spectical during a carrier launch too.


>
>> The Eisenhower was brand spanking new, and the Stennis was just
>> a dream on a planning table.
>
> Ike was launched in 1975 (I was still in Southeast Asia) and
> commissioned in 1977 (I was in Europe then).

That's about right. It took a shakedown cruise and we crossdecked from the
Indy to the Ike in 1978, HS-5, I was a E-4, Aviation Electrician's Mate on
the old Seakings. If memory serves, the Stennis was commissioned around
the mid-1990's.

 

[Andrealphus]

In News 1175091863.407546.202590@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,,
Too_Many_Tools at too_many_tools@yahoo.com, typed this:

> On Mar 27, 7:28 pm, "Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAI...@FAM.NET> wrote:
>> In News 1175042880.951044.6...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,,
>> Too_Many_Tools
>> at too_many_to...@yahoo.com, typed this:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 24, 7:51 am, Nick Hull <n...@isp.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <1174705628.739170.242...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The US has the greatest nuclear arsenal and the greatest delivery
>>>>>> system of all the rest of the world combined.
>>
>>>>> LOL...and this greatest nuclear arsenal and the greatest delivery
>>>>> system of all the rest of the world combined did WHAT for the US
>>>>> when 9/11 occurred?
>>
>>>> 9/11 had fewer casualties than 3 months worth of traffic accidents.
>>>> We could have ignored it completely. Maybe we should have.
>>>> Committees of Correspondence Web page:- tinyurl.com/y7th2c
>>
>>>> 9/11 had fewer casualties than 3 months worth of traffic accidents.
>>>> We could have ignored it completely. Maybe we should have.
>>
>>> Logic dictates that the same could have been said of Pearl Harbor.
>>
>>> TMT
>>
>> The difference being, of course, the cars aren't attacking us.- Hide
>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>>
>> The difference being, of course, the cars aren't attacking us.
>>
>
> LOL...ever driven in rush hour?
>
> With Texas passing the new gun law I expect their rush hours to be
> much more interesting and deadly as road rage becomes "I was defending
> myself from that 80 year old Grandma who cut me off....."
>
> TMT

Dude, do you actually believe that cars are attacking you? {fade in
Twilight Zone music...}

 

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Mar 28, 3:45 pm, "Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAI...@FAM.NET> wrote:
> In News 1175091863.407546.202...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,,
> Too_Many_Tools at too_many_to...@yahoo.com, typed this:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 27, 7:28 pm, "Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAI...@FAM.NET> wrote:
> >> In News 1175042880.951044.6...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,,
> >> Too_Many_Tools
> >> at too_many_to...@yahoo.com, typed this:
>
> >>> On Mar 24, 7:51 am, Nick Hull <n...@isp.com> wrote:
> >>>> In article <1174705628.739170.242...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> The US has the greatest nuclear arsenal and the greatest delivery
> >>>>>> system of all the rest of the world combined.
>
> >>>>> LOL...and this greatest nuclear arsenal and the greatest delivery
> >>>>> system of all the rest of the world combined did WHAT for the US
> >>>>> when 9/11 occurred?
>
> >>>> 9/11 had fewer casualties than 3 months worth of traffic accidents.
> >>>> We could have ignored it completely. Maybe we should have.
> >>>> Committees of Correspondence Web page:- tinyurl.com/y7th2c
>
> >>>> 9/11 had fewer casualties than 3 months worth of traffic accidents.
> >>>> We could have ignored it completely. Maybe we should have.
>
> >>> Logic dictates that the same could have been said of Pearl Harbor.
>
> >>> TMT
>
> >> The difference being, of course, the cars aren't attacking us.- Hide
> >> quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> The difference being, of course, the cars aren't attacking us.
>
> > LOL...ever driven in rush hour?
>
> > With Texas passing the new gun law I expect their rush hours to be
> > much more interesting and deadly as road rage becomes "I was defending
> > myself from that 80 year old Grandma who cut me off....."
>
> > TMT
>
> Dude, do you actually believe that cars are attacking you? {fade in
> Twilight Zone music...}- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

>
> Dude, do you actually believe that cars are attacking you? {fade in
> Twilight Zone music
>

Not me...but have you been in Texas lately?

All they need are more gun nuts running around....

TMT

 

[Andrealphus]

In News 1175131092.204402.66350@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,,
Too_Many_Tools at too_many_tools@yahoo.com, typed this:

> On Mar 28, 3:45 pm, "Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAI...@FAM.NET> wrote:
>> In News 1175091863.407546.202...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,,
>> Too_Many_Tools at too_many_to...@yahoo.com, typed this:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 27, 7:28 pm, "Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAI...@FAM.NET> wrote:
>>>> In News 1175042880.951044.6...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,,
>>>> Too_Many_Tools
>>>> at too_many_to...@yahoo.com, typed this:
>>
>>>>> On Mar 24, 7:51 am, Nick Hull <n...@isp.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <1174705628.739170.242...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>>>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> The US has the greatest nuclear arsenal and the greatest
>>>>>>>> delivery system of all the rest of the world combined.
>>
>>>>>>> LOL...and this greatest nuclear arsenal and the greatest
>>>>>>> delivery system of all the rest of the world combined did WHAT
>>>>>>> for the US when 9/11 occurred?
>>
>>>>>> 9/11 had fewer casualties than 3 months worth of traffic
>>>>>> accidents. We could have ignored it completely. Maybe we should
>>>>>> have. Committees of Correspondence Web page:-
>>>>>> tinyurl.com/y7th2c
>>
>>>>>> 9/11 had fewer casualties than 3 months worth of traffic
>>>>>> accidents. We could have ignored it completely. Maybe we should
>>>>>> have.
>>
>>>>> Logic dictates that the same could have been said of Pearl Harbor.
>>
>>>>> TMT
>>
>>>> The difference being, of course, the cars aren't attacking us.-
>>>> Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>> The difference being, of course, the cars aren't attacking us.
>>
>>> LOL...ever driven in rush hour?
>>
>>> With Texas passing the new gun law I expect their rush hours to be
>>> much more interesting and deadly as road rage becomes "I was
>>> defending myself from that 80 year old Grandma who cut me off....."
>>
>>> TMT
>>
>> Dude, do you actually believe that cars are attacking you? {fade in
>> Twilight Zone music...}- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>>
>> Dude, do you actually believe that cars are attacking you? {fade in
>> Twilight Zone music
>>
>
> Not me...but have you been in Texas lately?
>
> All they need are more gun nuts running around....
>
> TMT

Well, I try to avoid anything that a Bush has touched.

 

[therethats_better@yahoo.com]

On Mar 28, 8:18 pm, orio...@earthlink.net wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:45:17 GMT, "Andrealphus"
>
> <NOTAREALEMAI...@FAM.NET> wrote:
>
> >> With Texas passing the new gun law I expect their rush hours to be
> >> much more interesting and deadly as road rage becomes "I was defending
> >> myself from that 80 year old Grandma who cut me off....."
>
> >> TMT
>
> >Dude, do you actually believe that cars are attacking you? {fade in
> >Twilight Zone music...}
>
> Historically the crime rate drops in states where gun control is
> relaxed. Texans already carry guns all over the state, and there
> hasn't been mass vaves of insane killings there. If availability of
> legal firearms were a factor then NYC and Washington DC should be two
> of the safest cities in the country, shouldn't they?
> --
> I'm on a journey in search of myself.
> If I get back first, let me know that I'm
> looking for myself and don't let me leave.

 

[Andrealphus]

In News 1mbm03hr320ttakl9dkvg18q10fhvq5voa@4ax.com,, orionca@earthlink.net
at orionca@earthlink.net, typed this:

> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:45:17 GMT, "Andrealphus"
> <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> With Texas passing the new gun law I expect their rush hours to be
>>> much more interesting and deadly as road rage becomes "I was
>>> defending myself from that 80 year old Grandma who cut me off....."
>>>
>>> TMT
>>
>> Dude, do you actually believe that cars are attacking you? {fade in
>> Twilight Zone music...}
>
> Historically the crime rate drops in states where gun control is
> relaxed. Texans already carry guns all over the state, and there
> hasn't been mass vaves of insane killings there.
> If availability of
> legal firearms were a factor then NYC and Washington DC should be two
> of the safest cities in the country, shouldn't they?

Wouldn't know. I've read a number of gun control studies with some saying
that relaxed gun control = lower gun crime, and some saying the opposite.
None of them address the root question though, and that would be why so many
people feel the need to arm themselves in the first place. I've lived in
Scotland, and some other places overseas that have an almost infitesimal
small amount of gun violence in comparison to the average U.S. area with the
same population. No one really wants to deal with why that is, or they
call you racist if you point out the obvious.

 

[orionca@earthlink.net]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:45:17 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote:

>>
>> With Texas passing the new gun law I expect their rush hours to be
>> much more interesting and deadly as road rage becomes "I was defending
>> myself from that 80 year old Grandma who cut me off....."
>>
>> TMT
>
>Dude, do you actually believe that cars are attacking you? {fade in
>Twilight Zone music...}

Historically the crime rate drops in states where gun control is
relaxed. Texans already carry guns all over the state, and there
hasn't been mass vaves of insane killings there. If availability of
legal firearms were a factor then NYC and Washington DC should be two
of the safest cities in the country, shouldn't they?
--
I'm on a journey in search of myself.
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[Patriot Games]

"Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
news:NkBOh.18900$Jl.9443@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> In News cDwOh.47337$vI1.36808@trnddc02,, Patriot Games at
> Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com, typed this:
>> "Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
>> news:tjtOh.17443$tD2.12413@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> In News UhdOh.13337$un.8702@trnddc03,, Patriot Games at
>>> Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com, typed this:
>>>> "Andrealphus" <NOTAREALEMAIL_2@FAM.NET> wrote in message
>>>> news:YcYNh.18012$Jl.7319@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>> In News MPG.2071f85f356ca297989e23@netnews.mchsi.com,, Desmond and
>>>>> Molly Jones at dmj@spamspamspamspam.org, typed this:
>>>>>> In article <9GUNh.13085$un.7506@trnddc03>, Patriot Games at
>>>>>> Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com says...
>>>>>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:1174688265.380348.24810@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> Anybody want to lose a carrier or two?
>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>> If you can read, you will see that the US Navy has NO defense
>>>>>>>> against this.
>>>>>>> You assume we need one.
>>>>>>> Perhaps you'll explain how Iran can defend against the Stealth
>>>>>>> Bombers and Stealth Fighters that will go in FIRST and take out
>>>>>>> these missle launch sites????
>>>>>> Not to mention the cruise missiles.
>>>>>> But if you think a carrier is invincible, you better think again.
>>>>> They're not invincible by any means, but they are damned hard to
>>>>> sink. I served aboard the U.S.S. Independence and the U.S.S.
>>>>> Eisenhower. When they set Condition Zebra, you have a whole bunch
>>>>> of steel to breach to sink one. He's right though, they're not
>>>>> going to send in a Carrier Group first, and I'll tell you like
>>>>> they told us our first day on the ship, in combat, a carrier's
>>>>> only function is to get one good airstrike into the air, anything
>>>>> after that is gravy. With Iran, whose Navy is limited, if that,
>>>>> the Carrier wouldn't even really need to enter the Pursian Gulf at
>>>>> all.
>>>> We have F117s in theatre now.
>>>> We can bring Stealth Bombers over in a few hours, refeuling in the
>>>> air both ways...
>>>> We have THREE fully armed, fully supplied, fully gung-ho Carrier
>>>> Battle Groups in the Persian Gulf already...
>>>> And we NOW have a some very irritated Brits and their SAS who would
>>>> like some Iranian ass for dinner...
>>>> This isn't take long and it could start literally any day.
>>> It's been a while since I was in the service, the F-16 Tomcats were
>>> being deployed just before my enlistment was up.
>> F-14 Tomcats, F-16 Falcons.
> Yep, you're right. I told you its been a while. LOL! I was still
> mourning the mothballing of the Vigilanti, those birds had class. Was a
> hell of a spectical during a carrier launch too.

I've been on a carrier once, Gulf of Tonkin Yacht Club. We were hitching a
ride...

Carrier takeoffs and landings are definitely awesome. I've never seen it on
TV like it is in real life. The ship was rolling port-starboard and I was
upstairs so I got an excellent view. The pilot was actually rolling his
wings back and forth to match the ship's rolling so when he touched down he
landed PERFECT. US Navy have always been the best pilots on the planet.

>>> The Eisenhower was brand spanking new, and the Stennis was just
>>> a dream on a planning table.
>> Ike was launched in 1975 (I was still in Southeast Asia) and
>> commissioned in 1977 (I was in Europe then).
> That's about right. It took a shakedown cruise and we crossdecked from
> the Indy to the Ike in 1978, HS-5, I was a E-4, Aviation Electrician's
> Mate on the old Seakings. If memory serves, the Stennis was
> commissioned around the mid-1990's.

Helicopter picked us up from a party we were having, just before we'd worn
out our welcome, and dropped us off on the Saratoga, which was on her way to
Subic Bay.

I remember afternoons hanging out with you airplane repair guys drinking
coffee in that gigantic garage...