Women have told you what they think people at clinics think and how they fooled them into a lifetime of regret and how they should have forced an ultrasound on them to inform them of the error of their ways?
Wez, stop it. Your going to that place where you try to stop honest debate by inserting unneeded crud into the mix.
You know darn well I was talking about how women felt pressured to kill their child from the workers, this ultrasound issue is new and of course I have not spoken to any woman who had to deal with that specific thing.
But, almost all studies prove that even 20 years later most women still suffer from their decision to kill their child. This rushed decision has ramifications for a lifetime, and not the short lifetime of the killed child but instead the full life of the mother who will forever regret their decision to kill.
That's not what the supreme court said in 1973, now is it?
The supreme court is irrelivant when it comes to morals. The concept of laws are rooted in morlas to be sure, but many times laws are corrupted and hijacked by special interest groups to make something horrible seem reasonable. As another member of the forum said already, killing is killing. Intent is the defining factor for the moral possition of the killing. If your defending yourself from being killed then sure, your morally standing on solid ground. If your motivation for killing is to escape taking responsibility for your choices, that is not morally right.
Bullsh t.. you can make people feel guilty fer just about anything if ya gather validators, isolate them, and relentlessly tell them how bad they are for ______ .. can't ya?
And you intend to instill that guilt and regret for them, eh? As you claim you want to save them from guilt and regret.. Seems a tad contradictory.
Wrong again Wez, as I pointed out to emkay, the abortion clinics are the people who will be conducting the ultrasound and those workers think killing babies is a good thing so there will not be any isolating or other stuff your trying to insert. "IF" the woman had to go to a completely different location with anti-abortion people running it would agree with you but that is not the case.
People cannot be forced into feeling something they do not feel Wez. Feelings are inside us Wez, not outside. We express our emotions externally sometimes, but what we see is reaction, not emotions themselves. Guilt is a creation or byproduct of shame. You cannot make anyone feel guilt unless they are ashamed of something they have done, or want to do. Just seeing an ultrasound cannot insert shame if the person does not see their actions as wrong.
Why is it so many people including you Wez seem like your real agenda is to insulate women from their true feelings? Is it because you know that if women see their child for what it really is they will not want to kill it? Is killing the baby your only concern? My concern is not my own moral feelings but instead the damage done to society with millions of women getting abortions based on short term pressures ending up living a life of depression and even suicide because later, down the road they see their action for what it really was.
For too long the abortion clinics have had exclusive and isolated contact to these women and telling them it is normal and ordinary to get an abortion. These same clinics refuse to identify the baby as a being and brainwash each woman with the idea that this is nothing more than getting a wart removed. I believe it is time to make a small attempt to reinsert humanity into the discussion..
Who's morals do "we" need? Yours, or else? Maybe we need the morals of China, eh? Then we could have jobs again.. and forced abortions..
No, as usual issues like this are driven by the people, all the people and almost all Americans agree in over 800 studies and surveys that they do not want abortion to be seen as a normal form of birth control. American want "some" steps to be taken to take the killing of a baby more seriously than a wart removal Wez.
Life really is special, we should treat it that way.
You can't be for smaller government and for government intrusion at the same time. (unless you're a faux conservative, RINO, DIABLO, etc...)
What? You have got to be kidding..........
Just making Government smaller can easily be done by eliminating all police forces both federal and State, your all for blind reduction of Government right? You don't want Government to perform any function at all right? How about reducing the Government by cutting the armed forces in half? How about teachers and schools, you hate the idea of Government and want it smaller right? Get rid of all schools then........
I am all for cutting the size of Government "in areas they have no business being" such as welfare programs. Cutting the IRS out completely and inserting the fair tax proposal. No true conservative wants to blindly cut Government just for the sake of being able to claim it has been reduced.
I want the Government to impose laws, and all laws are based on the values the community wants Joe. You not wanting abortion restrictions to be put into law is the same as Obama refusing to listen to the people who did not want his healthcare bill passed into law. The people of America are clear that they do not want abortion to be treated the same as a wart removal. Do you want to follow the moral direction desired from your communities or not IWS?
Move to make the procedure illegal (like is being done in places, by changing the definition not add more government.
Never place all your apples in one basket.
I for one do not want to end all abortions for society. Incest, rape, severe medical issues are all areas that do not show any irresponsibility for the mother and are valid reasons for her to get an abortion. My personal beliefs would not allow an abortion but I do not want to impose all my own beliefs on other people. I am strictly a responsibility adovcate for society. I do want more measures to make people take responsibility for what they do and their own lives. Allowing abortions for any sorry reason is the ultimate in creating a society where irresponsibility is the main focus.
To be honest, I would not even be completely against regular abortions if they required some counseling and a balanced information process. Right now people who want women to get abortions have 100% of the attention of women at the time they are considering it. Their presentation to the mother is one of "no big deal" and "it is only a few cells, not a life". To most people in America, life is something special, and ending a life should be a bigger decision than it currently is. No, I do not think it is easy or a party for the woman, in fact the event is nothing compared to the mess the woman will face years down the road, and it is that mess further down the road I am also concerned with and how that changes the dynamic of society when you have many millions of women in society all suffereing from their short term solution that had them killing their own child.
You'd be against putting money in for cancer treatment but you'll buy an irresponsible twit an ultrasound....you guys make no sense whatsoever.