You're not buying this "competition" horsesh!t are you?

[phreakwars]

Look at all those attacks on Canada!! For every rebuttal link I can find a counter rebuttal exists. So like I said, I'm not even gonna give a counter rebuttal. But I will say this. No matter how you look at it, they STILL have better care for the people then what we could ever hope to have. The will of the people demanded new leadership, new reforms. Complain all you want but it's what the majority of people want. I hate the politics of it all because I see Republican representatives who have the insurance company lobbyist funding their "OUTRAGE" about private insurance going down with a public plan. I look at that and think to myself... so OK... who do the DEMOCRATS have in their pockets telling them to provide a plan for everyone....hmm... the answer is... THE PEOPLE.

To you Republicans out there complaining about private insurance being run out.... what do you REALLY give a shiit? They have been ******** you over for decades now, why give the private providers the benefit of the doubt? Even if insurance never existed, people STILL need basic medical care. Tell me I'm wrong.

I say cut this **** middle man of debt between us and having to get medical care provided to us.

OF COURSE these **** insurance company lobbyist are gonna be all over that sucking *** with the Republicans reps to keep their **** scheme going where they can charge you outrageous premiums, deny you coverage, and run you into permanent debt all for some of the simplest and common of care procedures, like say a premature birth of a child.

Your worries about rationed health care, waiting lines, and all kinds of other things are complete bullshiit complaints. It's like saying "I'm against it, because people will want to go to the Dr." Now what kind of heartless crock is that? Well DUH people will want to go to the Dr. What you think only YOU are deserving of getting and staying healthy? The same fukkwits who complain about people living off the system don't have any *** **** common sense to realize if you make people healthier, the less chance they would be frikken useless.

Watch an awesome UNBIASED documentary on this shiit once in a while, it's good for ya.

FRONTLINE: sick around america: watch the full program | PBS

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[timesjoke]

I notice you refuse to even try to address the facts Bender, and there is the problem.

Can't you even admit the point of how the Canadian suppreme court said the same thing?

That the long waiting lists were killing Canadians?

Imagine this, you injure your knee, it is not life and death but your in severe pain and cannot work. Can you really wait two years for treatment? Can you afford not to work? That is the Canadian system in a nutshell.

Your refusal to admit that some emergency care cases are even shipped to America because they do not have the capacity is because you cannot defend the problems that your plan offers all people.

Once it is free, nobody respects it, I don't care what it is, if you give it away for free it will be abused.

You ever hear the old saying "You get what you pay for"?

 

[RoyalOrleans]

So you want to know the truth about Barack Obama's healthcare plan? How about 118 million people switching their healthcare from the private sector to the "free" government option? Does that sound like it is going to provide much in the way of competition? No. But that's what the politicians keep claiming. Look no further than Great Britain to see what will happen when the government gets involved in healthcare. This is from the Washington Examiner.

This is precisely what happened in Britain. The state provides most health care, via the National Health Service. Patients have almost no say over which physician, surgeon or hospital they can use, while professionals have to conform to government plans and targets.
After its birth in 1948, planners soon found that "free" health care multiplied demand. NHS founder Lord Beveridge predicted free health care would cut spending as health improved.

The opposite was true. Between 1949 and 1979, it tripled in real terms. The service now costs twice as much as it did 10 years ago, with productivity down 4.5 percent.

One way government tries to limit demand is to decree which new drugs can be prescribed. Many drugs, widely available in America and continental Europe, are denied to British patients.

State mismanagement has also created waiting lines for hospitals, on average causing 8.6 weeks of waiting. Once inside, budgetary cutbacks on cleaning and maintenance mean higher rates of an antibiotic-resistant variety of staph infection. This "superbug" has turned even routine surgery into a lottery of death.

Not enough for you? Continue reading. You can hear about the wonders of government regulation in France. The fact of the matter is that Barack Obama's healthcare reforms are just the beginning. Like France, it will be a slow decline into a system of government controls, regulation and bureaucracy. A system that is not about your healthcare but about power.

By the way ... if you want the government to take over responsibility for your health care you have no business waving little American flags this Saturday.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

Look at all those attacks on Canada!! For every rebuttal link I can find a counter rebuttal exists. So like I said, I'm not even gonna give a counter rebuttal. But I will say this. No matter how you look at it, they STILL have better care for the people then what we could ever hope to have. The will of the people demanded new leadership, new reforms. Complain all you want but it's what the majority of people want. I hate the politics of it all because I see Republican representatives who have the insurance company lobbyist funding their "OUTRAGE" about private insurance going down with a public plan. I look at that and think to myself... so OK... who do the DEMOCRATS have in their pockets telling them to provide a plan for everyone....hmm... the answer is... THE PEOPLE.
To you Republicans out there complaining about private insurance being run out.... what do you REALLY give a shiit? They have been ******** you over for decades now, why give the private providers the benefit of the doubt? Even if insurance never existed, people STILL need basic medical care. Tell me I'm wrong.

I say cut this **** middle man of debt between us and having to get medical care provided to us.

OF COURSE these **** insurance company lobbyist are gonna be all over that sucking *** with the Republicans reps to keep their **** scheme going where they can charge you outrageous premiums, deny you coverage, and run you into permanent debt all for some of the simplest and common of care procedures, like say a premature birth of a child.

Your worries about rationed health care, waiting lines, and all kinds of other things are complete bullshiit complaints. It's like saying "I'm against it, because people will want to go to the Dr." Now what kind of heartless crock is that? Well DUH people will want to go to the Dr. What you think only YOU are deserving of getting and staying healthy? The same fukkwits who complain about people living off the system don't have any *** **** common sense to realize if you make people healthier, the less chance they would be frikken useless.

Watch an awesome UNBIASED documentary on this shiit once in a while, it's good for ya.

FRONTLINE: sick around america: watch the full program | PBS

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Why is it that all of the uninsured folks talking about their astronomical health costs seem to be obese? Of course they are not all obese, but tobacco, alcohol, and food are the top 3 preventable killers.

Is it the job of the federal goverment, on the dime of the American taxpayer, to take care of these sloths?

I'm sure you'll give me a good answer, Komrade.

 

[Old Salt]

One of the simplest actions Congress can take is tort reform. Cut down on malpractice suits except in the most blatant cases. This will cut down costs for BOTH doctors and hospitals. A cut in malpractice insurance costs will (should) reduce health care a great deal.

 

[ImWithStupid]

One of the simplest actions Congress can take is tort reform. Cut down on malpractice suits except in the most blatant cases. This will cut down costs for BOTH doctors and hospitals. A cut in malpractice insurance costs will (should) reduce health care a great deal.

That's what I keep saying. You can't be serious about health care reform without addressing tort reform.

Who in their right mind would want to be a doctor or stay in practice if the government is going to limit how much you can charge, but you still are open to the same amount of lawsuits, and effectively have spend the same amount for malpractice insurance.

Like the example I have given before. I know someone who is an anesthesiologist, who makes about $400,000 per year, but they have to pay out somewhere around $180,000 per year for malpractice insurance.

Now the government tells you that you can't charge as much and you are now only making $320,000 per year but still have to pay $180,000 for insurance.

You'd be better off going back to school for two years, get a law degree and sue doctors and hospitals for BS reasons hoping for a settlement.

 

[eddo]

you guys are all wrong. Obama and the Democrats have the only good ideas, and all of our hope rest in them, and only them.

Tort reform, private care, canada, GOP- all lies and diversions that Fox news is using to keep you stupid.

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[timesjoke]

Nice post IWS and a great example.

If Obama wants to remove the money out of the medical fields, who will want to be a Doctor? Canada has been having massive shortages for doctors for over ten years. They are estimated to be about 10,000 doctors short in their 5 year plan so they have relaxed immigration standards for foreign doctors to come to Canada and take doctor jobs Canadians do not want.

The same will happen to America, why would anyone go to college and grind out a medical degree just to have a net income of $150,000 after paying out your insurance? Highly educated doctors are to be reduced to lower middle class by the Obama administration?

 

[RoyalOrleans]

A video so nice, I posted it twice.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh5vzOAEQ-A&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Reporters Grill Gibbs Over Prepackaged Questions for Obama[/ame]

 

[phreakwars]

Why is it that all of the uninsured folks talking about their astronomical health costs seem to be obese? Of course they are not all obese, but tobacco, alcohol, and food are the top 3 preventable killers.
Is it the job of the federal goverment, on the dime of the American taxpayer, to take care of these sloths?

I'm sure you'll give me a good answer, Komrade.

And what makes you more special then someone who is out of shape? Why are they unworthy of being cared for and you are/?.

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[hugo]

And what makes you more special then someone who is out of shape? Why are they unworthy of being cared for and you are/?.

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Because some people just need to die.

 

[ImWithStupid]

And what makes you more special then someone who is out of shape? Why are they unworthy of being cared for and you are/?.

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Welcome to the future of rationed care. If your liver is bad because you drink. No help. If you get lung cancer because you smoke, here's your pain pill. If you get diabetes because you're overweight, good luck.

 

[phreakwars]

OOOHHH I'm so scared of your Republican lobbyist fueled premonitions... ooooooooooohhhhhhhhh.

Another suckass drone to the insurance industry has spoken. Screw that, I side with the people. Not my fault you side with the insurance industry, just like the lobbyist paid your representatives to convince you of.

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[ImWithStupid]

OOOHHH I'm so scared of your Republican lobbyist fueled premonitions... ooooooooooohhhhhhhhh.
Another suckass drone to the insurance industry has spoken. Screw that, I side with the people. Not my fault you side with the insurance industry, just like the lobbyist paid your representatives to convince you of.

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Whatever. You keep believing that there won't be lobbyists, won't be tax increases, won't be earmarks, whatever other campaign promise that has already been broken and keep believing all the new lies.

I prefer to think for myself. Every comment you make sounds like the Daily Kos. I back mine with facts and certified studies based on proven results.

 

[ImWithStupid]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE]YouTube - Wont Get Fooled Again[/ame]

 

[phreakwars]

Studies on things that haven't happened are called guesses, not facts.Threats of what the evils of public health care will be are nothing more then the usual right wing fear and paranoia spin machine.

Wouldn't know what your talking about with the daily kos. I haven't been to that site since the election.

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[phreakwars]

Besides, if a public government option drives out competition, how come FedEx and UPS do so well? They compete with the feds constatly via USPS.

Hows that for "certified studies based on proven results".

Everyone says USPS sux, get rid of them, they make no money... well ****... you'd figure they would be driving FedEx and UPS out of business...hmm...

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[ImWithStupid]

Besides, if a public government option drives out competition, how come FedEx and UPS do so well? They compete with the feds constatly via USPS.
Hows that for "certified studies based on proven results".

Everyone says USPS sux, get rid of them, they make no money... well ****... you'd figure they would be driving FedEx and UPS out of business...hmm...

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Hmm, but where else have you ever mailed a letter? You can't because the government mandated a monopoly for letters. What would stop that for health care.

When you compete against the government, it's like playing against the other team who happens to be the referee also.

 

[snafu]

.... You'd be better off going back to school for two years, get a law degree and sue doctors and hospitals for BS reasons hoping for a settlement.

Hahaha OK that's funny.

Only becuase it's true.

 

[snafu]

OOOHHH I'm so scared of your Republican lobbyist fueled premonitions... ooooooooooohhhhhhhhh.
Another suckass drone to the insurance industry has spoken. Screw that, I side with the people. Not my fault you side with the insurance industry, just like the lobbyist paid your representatives to convince you of.

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Ya know I've been sittin here passive reading your rhetoric and back in the day I thought you were just being devils advocate. You know help the borad out becuase to many people that think the same is boring. Shoot me dead if you are really thinking like this.

Yeah the insurance companies where gouging us but that's free enterprise. What the would you do if you had none? Oh I know lets let the government take care of your tired *** because, well your *** is tired. Your frame of mind is that you just can't do it anymore right?