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We saw a sign at Olive Garden here in town a couple weeks ago asking customers to keep their after dinner time to a minimum. I can see the need, but don't know if I agree with it. If I am going somewhere to eat for a meeting, I had better be allowed to conduct all of my business or I won't return. I buy meals for all that are meeting, and I make sure to tip generously.

yep, and if my if my religion was coercing it's children to wear suicide vests, if people in my church were killing their children for not covering their faces, if I was demanding that everyone who doesn't believe the same as I do be executed- You had better believe that I would want someone to step in and say something- even if I didn't know any better. Absolutely. In fact, that is just what i have done regarding some Christian Fundamentalist groups: Spoken up to make sure those around me know that this is not typical Christian behavior, nor is it endorsed by God.

No you didn't say that, but you did say this: Thus implying that all Catholics tried to cover it up, right after saying that it is wrong to lump all Muslims together. You did exactly what you were telling others not to. Is it a big deal? No, because I knew what you meant. I wouldn't even have said anything about it, but you had made such a big deal out of TJ and Shiek doing it. Point: Eddo. Nope, not at all. We do agree on some things though. I am pretty sure that his original point in this thread and mine are different. He argues that Islam is not as tolerant towards their own followers as they would like the Western World to be towards it, and my point is that you rarely ever hear of non-fundamentalist Muslims speaking out against fundamentalist Muslims. Point: Eddo. (that's 2-0 for those keeping score at home.) Since you don't believe in the word of God as being the Word of God, how can you say that I have ever acted the opposite of it? I will grant you that I am a sinner and a hypocrite (and have said so publicly before, so no point for you,) but that does not exclude me from being able to discuss other religions or what they represent (or don't represent.) If it did, no one would ever be able to talk about anything, because we are all hypocrites at one time or another in our lives. Point: Eddo. 3-0 These are nice and happy thoughts, but rather impractical in the grand scheme of things. If I am late for work, I get yelled at by my boss. Does that mean that I can yell at him when he is late? Theoretically, yes- but I won't have a job for long if I do. Insubordination is grounds for job termination. When I was 3 I used to get a lecture from dad if I my pants. Does that mean I can do the same when he is old and looses bowel control? Theoretically, yes, but that would be just a cruel thing to do to an old man who is already likely very embarrassed by the situation he is in due to his age. Get what I am saying?

Yes, and then you rather hypocritically turned right around and did the very thing you are arguing against. I just thought I would point that out to you. I agree. But that doesn't disprove my point. I don't know, and don't claim to. But when Christian fundamentalists do things I don't agree with (see: Fred Phelps) I make damn sure that people know that I disapproves and in no way condone their actions. I also have at times shown how their actions go against the very Word and character of God that they speak about. It is rare that I see that kind of reaction in regards to Islamic fundamentalists (from other Muslims, anyway.) I am gonna leave this one alone. I, as one that has not served my country in a military capacity, have no experience to speak from on the issue of "remote control" killers. I do, however, find it interesting that your terminology in regards to the soldiers that fight to protect your freedoms gets harsher the more you and TimesJoke disagree. Call me dense if you would like, but I didn't understand that at all. Maybe less use of quotes is in order.

The church may have tried to cover it up, but many, many Catholics made, and continue to make, public statements against it. Lumping all Catholic followers into the "we" of the 'Catholic Church' is wrong, don't you know that? I guess I was wrong when I assumed that we were all adult enough to not do that here... Like I said-- You would be hard pressed to find many Muslims that speak out against suicide bombers and/or the atrocities being perpetrated by Islamic Fundamentalists. I don't know if those that don't speak out are scared, don't speak out because of their faith, agree with it, or what exactly- but they (those that don't speak out) don't speak out. It can lead to assumptions that they (those that don't speak out against it) are ok with it, since they (those that don't speak out) don't speak out. I hope that makes better sense now.

I think it is pretty safe to say (especially when reading what Timesjoke said in his first post: that those of us replying to this are all adult enough to understand that no one is referring to every single follower of Islam on the planet, but instead are referring to those followers of Islam that specifically are perpetrating whatever issue that is being discussed. To start playing the "Who is 'we'?" game and the constant pointing out of generalizations is pointless and is nothing more than a ploy to shift attention from the thread and topic and back onto one single member. Moving forward: Wez brought up Catholic priests and how some have been busted for molesting young boys. This is almost a comparable point, except for all the Catholics (and other Christians) that speak out against those priests actions. It is extremely rare to find a Muslim publicly speaking out against suicide bombers and the like (although I was very impressed with the outcry among UK Muslims recently regarding the Teddy Bear teacher.)

Yes, but they are only charging him with conspiracy to kidnap, kidnapping, robbery, conspiracy to commit robbery, burglary, assault, and weapons related crimes for trying to steal some memorabilia in Nevada...

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The jails are full of innocent people. Just ask them...

That makes perfect sense for those forums where guest posting is allowed (like the free for all.) But I don't get it on the other ones. In fact, this is the only forum where pics are allowed. Why is that? It was the same way at GF, some catergories you could post pics, soem you couldn't- and it didn't make sense there either. Not to me anyway. meh.

I'd have to disagree with that. We are just stupid enough to actually elect her. We'll see....

Why only have some threads be able to post pictures? I never understood that.

LMAO @ the Gallagher cameo!

I know you are but what am I?

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ahhhhhhhhhh, ok. and DUH! I just saw what I quoted of you guys, lol. I'm an idiot. It's good to know that if I want to call wez a weepy vagina I can without fear of "censorship" from the software.

How come when I say these words it doesn't edit them?? lol

ahh, ok. <obligatory characters to make more than ten when I really have nothing else to add>

you can't say vagina?? how 'bout penis? breast? tits? melons? ta-tas?

Then why did you blame it on censorship?

I agree with that, but put a share of the blame on the artists. Videos used to be cool. Look at that Genesis video. It is creative, it took effort. It isn't just Phil Collins and the guys walking around their house, or showing off their "bling." Some used to be little mini-movies that could last longer than the song it was for. I think of the Thriller video, Dire Straits "Mony for Nothing", Van Halen's "Hot for Teacher", and tons and tons of other quality videos. Effort put into them to make them more than just a outlet for selling the song. Fatboy Slims video with Chris Walken (Weapon of Choice) is one of the coolest videos ever- and Fatboy Slim isn't anywhere in it: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZwZiU0kKs]YouTube - Weapon Of Choice - Fatboy Slim[/ame] Not many artists put that kind of effort into videos anymore. Break, eject Eject, eject Break, eject Eject, eject Break, eject Eject, eject Break, eject Eject, eject 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya, 'For they catch ya, 'For they catch ya, 'For they catch ya, 'For they catch ya, 'For they catch ya, 'For they catch ya, 'For they catch ya, Don't be shocked by tone of my voice Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice Don't be shocked by tone of my voice Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice, yeah Listen to the sound of my voice (aah...) You can check it on out, it's the weapon of choice, yeah Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice (aah...) It's the new weapon, the weapon of choice You can blow with this Or you can blow with that You can blow with this Or you can blow with that Or you can blow with this Or you can blow with that Or you can blow with us You can blow with this Or you can blow with that You can blow with this Or you can blow with that You can blow with... Walk without rhythm, it won't attract the worm Walk without rhythm, and it won't attract the worm Walk without rhythm, and it won't attract the worm if you walk without rhythm (uh), you never learn, yeah Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice (Can't forget to load it) Before they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Can't forget to load it) Before they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Can't forget to load it) Before they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Can't forget to load it) Before they catch ya Chainsmokin' You can go with this You can go with that You can go with this Or you can go with that Or you can go with this Or you can go with that Or you can go with us You can go with this You can go with that You can go with this Or you can go with that Or you can go with... Organically grown Through the hemisphere I roam To make love to the angels of light, yeah and my girl I guess you just don't understand It's gone beyond bein' a man As I drift off into the night I'm in flight She's a Boy Scout no doubt But I'm gonna hold my cool Cause the music rules, yeah so groove on baby Check it out Halfway between the gutter and the stars, yeah Halfway between the gutter and the stars, yeah You can go with this Or you can go with that You can go with this Or you can go with that Or you can go with this Or you can go with that Or you can go with us You can go with this You can go with that You can go with this Or you can go with that Or you can go with... [something comes here] Break, eject Eject, eject Break, eject Eject, eject Break, eject Eject, eject Eject, eject Eject, eject 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya Chainsmokin' (Word) 'For they catch ya, Eject, eject [break, Eject] 'For, for they catch ya, Eject, eject [break, Eject] Break, eject Eject, eject Break, eject Eject, eject Eje,Eje,Eje,Eje,Eje,Eje,Eje,Eje,Eje,Eje,Eje,...

I think it has less to do with censorship and more to do with most artists not putting any effort into making decent videos anymore. So the crap MTV does play makes them more money than videos. cause no one want to watch the same crap over and over. cept for these guys: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv5zWaTEVkI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv5zWaTEVkI[/ame]

But only if she weighs the same as a duck.

I got some pet duckies for Easter one year. They were evil little bastards. We had them for dinner one holliday.