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"Ow my ing head...." John Kennedy

Best idea I've heard yet!

Does Atlanta have a pro football team? I know that Arizona is hoping to have one in the next couple years...

You have a lion??? And you routinely release on people you don't like??? I don't know whether to be shocked or proud...

The most interesting thing about Dog is... How the hell does his wife not fall over? pic of Mrs. Dog

The church only has a handful of followers, and the majority of them are related to the churches founder, Fred Phelps. This church has nothing to do with any other Baptist church in America- other than they spell "Baptist" the same way. and yes, they do thrive on the publicity... and unlike some other world religions, you will find many a Christian that will speak out against the fanatical idiots that claim to follow the same faith- like Phelps and his group.

Update: Update on the story ...

ok, that makes more sense, but it is still close minded. We aren't in a court of law, we are on a discussion board. And instead of actually discussing issues with people, you, admittedly, are filling in peoples answers for questions you haven't even asked yet. I have seen you be wrong at this a number of times, but it doesn't seem to help you understand that you really don't know others as well as you think you do. But I will bow out now in regards to this, as it has nothing to do with the rest of the discussion.

Living somewhat near where this happened, I am torn on whether jail time is called for or not. The guilt and pain that I am sure this mother now feels is more than adequate to keep her from ever doing it again. If she ever has more kids, you can bet your bottom dollar that she will watch over it to the point of overprotection. However... This happens way to often in Arizona. (Does this happen in other places, and it just isn't as hot, so the kids don't die and thus no news about it???) I think the threat of going to jail, if it helps keep this on the mind of other parents and keeps them from leaving their kids in cars, is a good thing. I dunno...

quite honestly the most close-minded thing I have ever read. And Wez, you do know that Jesus didn't speak English, right? The translations that you read are just that- translations. And translations from a more complex language into a simple one. The meaning single verses can be very much taken a multitude of ways (or made to 'fit like a glove' as you say.) It is extremely important to look, as Timesoke said, at the complete context in which it was written.

The mom is now in jail. This is so sad, that poor baby.

Hope you were rooting for the Sox...

LMAO!! </lengthened for submit purposes only>

If the 53 year old lady ran a stop sign, then it is her fault. Excellent advice, and I agree 100%.

Excellent point another excellent point.

In the classroom setting, I don't discuss contraception. But I do encourage the kids to discuss it with their parents. If they want to talk to me one on one, I will do that. But since I do not agree with sex outside of marriage (and I don't feel that God does either) I don't give the "but if you are going to anyway" speech. Some of my thoughts on sex: Sex is a beautiful thing, created by God, not only for procreation, but to build an intimate bond that He intended to be only shared between husband and wife. In the right setting (marriage) sex is amazing, healthy, and positive. In the wrong setting it can be a negative experience: lead to disease, unwanted pregnancy, emotional scars, among other things. By God's design I think it is best to wait til marriage, and I share that with my group, both in the classroom setting, and by my own life example. I don't think one is doomed to hell for all eternity if they have premarital sex, I just believe that they are cheating themselves out of the best that God has in store for them and their future spouse. While I understand that it is hard to be an abstinent teenager, it is absolutely possible to survive the teen years without having sex (and again, I lead by example.) I do realize that some teens in my group may have already had sex, and if so, I know that God is a loving and forgiving God, and He is able to help them if they desire to recommit their bodies to Him and save themselves from this point forward.

I know you, and I know that I know you. you know?

Wez, I never said that parents couldn't use outside assistance, but to totally turn the experience over to the gov't and school system is not a good idea. Some parents may go to the school and find out what is being taught and how before the sex ed class. These are good parents because they are involved in the sex education of their children- even if they themselves may not teach it. Others (the ones to which I am referring) just turn the entire discussion over to the schools without being involved or informed. That is a bad idea, in my opinion. Now please, lets not turn this post into a "Wez hates eddo" post, ok? Try to put the past behind you and read what I am actually saying instead of putting your thoughts into my words. ok?

Glad to see that you and Snafu get what I am saying.

you're doing the "apples to oranges" thing again, but since you couldn't see it before, I don't expect you to see it now.

as I said, I already addressed that (I put some points in bold so you wouldn't miss them): I didn't contradict myself. Schools are mandatory, church isn't, thus making the situations different. If my position as a church leader agrees with what the parents are already teaching about sex, then I m just reinforcing the teachings of the parents. But again, it is up to the parents.

I didn't contradict myself at all. But nice try. Sad to see you still can't have a decent discussion with someone without trying to get all high and mighty on them...

I've already answered that here. I'm not going to start going in circles with you.

I teach on a multitude of life topics. Sex is one of them.

That isn't what I said at all wez. In my case, it was the parents call, which is exactly what I said was best. These parents were allowed to make an informed decision about the sex ed their child would get (and yes, I do believe and teach that abstinence til marriage is best) - because they knew what I would tell them and they had the option to opt out. They don't get that in public school. And the way this school in Maine is, if you sign a release form saying the school nurse can treat your child for minor things, all of the sudden they are allowed to put your 11 year old daughter on the birth control pill without telling you. That is wrong.