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How do you flush out insurgents? Who are they? Imagine if an army invaded us and took all the "elite" out of their lifelong roles and turned our class system upside down? Destroyed our infrastructure after a decade of sanctions and a war on the other end? I can't imagine it.. a nightmare. And they're here telling us what to do for years.. How does one fix something like that in 5 lifetimes? Certainly not by continuing to use force.. that is their, Al Qaida's/Osama's main problem with us in the first place. Just our presence alone infuriated him to devise the 9/11 plan.. I just saw on the news too that Bush, on his visit to Saudi Arabia, announced the sale of some high tech weapons to them. Being that 16 of the hijackers were Saudi's, is that smart? Must be.. what the hell do I know?

Not sure I do.. All the reserve has done for me is punish me for being a saver and having no debt as it prints us all into the gutter...

We can't forcibly babysit our way to peace and safety. We need to stop our violence against others before we can expect the same in return.

He's talking all soldiers.. Japan, Germany, Mid East, Blah, blah, blah.. I'd love it. If it was us in Iraq, wouldn't you want the "Superpower" to cut and run? I know I would.. Screw the FBI..

I really like his ideas of bringing all American soldiers home from foriegn soil and focusing on ourselves.. Seems he also favors a lean government, out of it's citizens hair.. I think he'd mostly wants to do things to restore the constitution to it's former glory.. I'm all for that.

Hahahaha.. I don't think Ron paul is a moron at all.. Might even be the best guy out there. He has no chance though. People are afraid to change.

Don't forget, he used this as well, the "tax rebate" sometime between the 00' and 04' election.. I got a check for 300$ as did everyone.. Some got more maybe. Summer right before the attack, I believe.. 01'..

I was getting an error message this morn from youtube. Then it worked again. I noticed that Jack Johnson vid was already gone too. Can you see em when posted here IWS? Scratch that.. I see you can't

Hymn 43 Jethro Tull Oh father high in heaven -- smile down upon your son Whose busy with his money games -- his women and his gun. Oh jesus save me! And the unsung western hero killed an indian or three And made his name in hollywood To set the white man free. Oh jesus save me! If jesus saves -- well, hed better save himself From the gory glory seekers who use his name in death. Oh jesus save me! I saw him in the city and on the mountains of the moon -- His cross was rather bloody -- He could hardly roll his stone. Oh jesus save me! [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK3YEkfMFJs]YouTube - Jethro Tull: Hymn 43 (07/09/2005)[/ame] I wish I could find the studio version of this song.. Love it. Some of the comments were negative on this performance. It was in 05'. I saw Tull in the early 90's live.. it was great. Meh.. I can see a bit of it.. I miss the heavy guitar of the original version.. Hey! There's the guitar on the last verse.. cool.. Awsome flute playin'.. Great, original band..Glad I let it keep loading.. Almost done.

Limelight Rush Living on a lighted stage Approaches the unreal For those who think and feel In touch with some reality Beyond the gilded cage Cast in this unlikely role, Ill-equipped to act With insufficient tact One must put up barriers To keep oneself intact Living in the limelight The universal dream For those who wish to seem Those who wish to be Must put aside the alienation Get on with the fascination The real relation The underlying theme Living in a fisheye lens Caught in the camera eye I have no heart to lie I cant pretend a stranger Is a long-awaited friend All the worlds indeed a stage And we are merely players Performers and portrayers Each anothers audience Outside the gilded cage [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGGdW4-UYbY]YouTube - RUSH - Limelight[/ame]

Fairies Wear Boots Black Sabbath Goin home, late last night Suddenly I got a fright Yeah I looked through the window and surprised what I saw Fairy boots were dancing with a dwarf, All right now! Fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me Yeah I saw it, I saw it, I tell you no lies Yeah fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me I saw it, I saw it with my own two eyes, Well all right now! So I went to the doctor See what he could give me He said son, son, youve gone too far. cause smokin and trippin is all that you do. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feEyhvGlDRw]YouTube - 05 Fairies Wear Boots[/ame] Tempo sounds a bit slow and Ozzy sounds wasted.. Hahahahaha

Pretty much just arguing opinion as fact and using accusations and anger as tools to make an argument. Logic is great, even without facts, per say.. Being judged, labeled, and looked down upon with or w/out punishment for being what my accuser in fact, is. People with a good sense of humor. People who can give and take and not get bent out of shape. Someone who can stand on their own, as Anna said, Someone who has an opinion on something and has thought it out. Asking questions for sure. It's hard for people to really understand one another. We all understand words differently, or understand the same thing in different words. Anger, holding onto illusions for dear life, ignoring direct questions. It's fun. I love to see what people think about anything and everything. Plus, people from all over the world can BS right here. Very cool.. I'm still fairly green at this compared to a lot of you and I don't really see it as a "debate forum" specifically. Also a place to just read and comment on whatever, laugh, kid around, have fun.. Debates, in my mind, are regulated, timed, specific, etc.. Whatever happens is fine by me. I think people should say whatever they want, whenever they want for the most part. I like when threads kinda morph out from the regular topic, like the drug thread coming from the maddy post.. I do also enjoy playing childish games of "I know you are, but what am I" when someone freaks out on me.. Hahahaha.. Maybe most of all. This be it.. Although, I've been told my debate skills are seriously lacking, so I guess I don't don't debate here either. I still don't recall ever hoisting my debate skills above my head in victory so don't really understand being told they're lacking, but whatever.. turned into a barrel of fun anyways. wez is a dumbass.

Planet Caravan Black Sabbath We sail through endless skies Stars shine like eyes The black night sighs The moon in silver trees Falls down in tears Light of the night The earth, a purple blaze Of sapphire haze In orbit always While down below the trees Bathed in cool breeze Silver starlight breaks down the night And so we pass on by the crimson eye Of great God mars As we travel the universe [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsYxmejYsAw]YouTube - Black Sabbath - Planet Caravan[/ame] I just heard the Pantera cover of this.. Love it. I like Sabbath better though. Some of the comments people leave at you tube are a riot.. These were on this vid.. "if i ever get my hands on some acid or shrooms listenin to this song is the first thing im doin." ~ InBloom10 "Simply one of the best songs of the 70s. And I generally can't stand Sabbath. Great tune." ~ DroverChicago "I am sorry for your hellish experiences in Vietnam, but you're firing your guns in the wrong direction on this one. Take your hatred to the lying bigots who run your country into the ground for their personal gain and profit, not the civilians who suffer from their so called leaders' ulterior motives and abuse of power." ~ daemonomaniac Hahahahahahaha.. wtf? Wow, cool astronomy pics the guy put with this song.. beautiful. Good god.. people at each others throats over there on older comments over who's better, Sabbath or Pantera.. Hahahaha.. Here is a girl doing a cover of it.. I heard a little. She sounded good.. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcS5XFnHzPQ&feature=related]YouTube - Black Sabbath cover - Planet Caravan[/ame] Wow! She can sing like a bird. Nice job I must say.

Where'd ya go, dumbass?

Yeah, that was a bummer... Really kinda was looking forward to that matchup. I'd love to see Favre take it. What a career.. Iron man. The best ever I'd have to say after the records he broke this year. Plus, he has the Superbowl. Never had the pleasure of the "dynasty" like Montana, Aikman, Bradshaw, and Brady but I'd take Favre over any of those guys. He never had that elite receiver year after year either after Sterling Sharpe effed up his neck. Favre rocks.. Go Pack!!

They won it in 02', 04' and 05'.. lost to the Pack in 97'.. Hmmmmm

Timmy (terrorist) McVie was a 1st gulf war veteran.. He was the one that blew up that huge van bomb at the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995.. I also am pretty sure he belonged to one of those "Patriot" groups you asked me about.. Patriots they are not, it seems. Unlike muslims, he did not blow himself up with it, he was rushed through the justice system and put to death in 2001. Mostly by his own choice as he didn't want to go through all the appeals and whatnot to extend it. Most people linger on death row for decades before they're actually put to death. He actually took full responsiblity though, and requested death... he even called the children killed in the daycare center, "collateral damage". No one likes to talk about him around these parts.. Full, white blooded, all American.. The scarey thing is, you know he had friends and help. Not sure if he was a veteran, but another soldier is currently being hunted down as he apparently killed another female soldier who was pregnant and had recently accused him of rape. There is speculation that the child may have been his. They just dug her and the fetus out of his backyard the day before yesterday. I think they spotted him somewhere, wont be long. Appears the idiot also is claiming she sliced her own throat and he just buried and ran off.. I thought the armed services taught people to take responsibility.. Perhaps it's not the wisest idea anyone ever had to cultivate aggression, hate, and anger in young, impressionable adults and children. Just a thought..

You name the time and place.. I'll be there.

Perhaps Plato can.. or perhaps he is in fact, a dumbass..

You got it.. I'll bump you to 5 - 3 as well.. just cause you're my wife. Anyone has a problem with that and I'll be making some more "debate about debate skillz" posts in the free for all forum..

I was thinking the G men.. but I think the run ends in G.B... Hats off to them though.. Got hot at the right time.

Sometimes I wonder if Al Qaida even exists.. I mean really, what is it? Who are they? How can they be identified? Shadows in the dark it seems to me..

Yeah, who the hell knows really.. I've not a clue. Just some things don't make much sense at all.. what's new?

I don't think we should do anything.. we have no right.. I just don't think Al Qaida is trying to kill him, or vice versa, as has been claimed.. Plus, I haven't seen any other news about anything we, the US, has done or said that would prompt those comments.

Pardon me... I thought you were Hugo.. You are 5 - 3..