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You called me a liberal, so you just lied again. You made the first personal attack and IWS crawled my behind for it. You will never change Wez, your a well poisoner.

Never called anyone a liberal? More lies from the king of lies. This is what IWS took up for you on. IWS claimed you meant to call me a liberatarian and I should not have "responded" to your comment with an attack. I took your comment for what it was, calling me a liberal and "responded" in kind. Now we know you did intend to call me a liberal with that comment so IWS was wrong in his assumption you made an innocent comment and he was also wrong about me making the first personal attack. I am still waiting to see how he makes ammends for his mistake.

Wez already admitted to him meaning to call me a liberal, not a liberatarian. So your assumption was wrong, now what?

It is gone because IWS does not want proff of your admission of starting the attacks public. If the problem is with everyone else, why is it always you who is using the profanity? You prove your the well poisoner more and more with every post Wez, maybe somebody will start to take notice of this fact one day. You do, I would post your comments doing things like attacking soldiers and stuff but you would just say it was me saying what you said. If you forgive them why call them all mindless killers? If anything a concept, not just a word. Remember, shades of gray. It is the truth, he may have hidden it from view but he clearly said you meant to call me a liberatarian, that you did not mean to call me a liberal. Your admitting you did call me a liberal proved you started it, not me, and that put him in a very bad possition. No, how many times do you need to be instructed that there is no such thing as a mindless killer. The very notion implies people are puppets, incapable of knowing right from wrong. How in the hell do you live being so stupid, yes that was a personal attack, but also an honest question. Fellow Jews did much of the gassing and burning of the bodies of fellow Jews, this is fact. They were acting under the direction of the germans to be sure, but they still did the work. Again, your falling victim of not truly knowing what your talking about, try reading up a little. Start with looking up Dr. Josef Mengele and work from there. And Wez has admitted his comment was not innocent and instead he did mean it as an attack on me, so he did make the first attack, not me. Your assumption of what you "thought" he said was wrong, and all the following postsa you made against me was also wrong. The question is, what do you do now? Keep saying you "thought" his comment was innocent or admit you were wrong?

Being as Wez just admitted he did intend that post as an attack, I guess that means everythign you just said is wrong. If you took the time to read the posts before posting that you could have saved this embarassment. Now what, do you finally admit Wez was the problem and tell me your sorry or continue to defend him?

Children also believe in things like the tooth fairy and Santa, trying to say children understand you is not really saying much. Your public stands on every topic discussed so far show you lean mostly liberal whule people like me and Brotherman are clearly conservative. No double standard, just calling it like it is. You are a liberal, you believe in the robin hood concept of taking from the rich to give to you. You believe a woman has the right to kill a baby, you are for surrender in Iraq, you hate the military, the list goes on and on but all of these thingsa are liberal, not conservative. I know you are but what am I? Defending you is exactly what he did. He clearly said you did not mean to say I was a liberal and instead he assumed you meant to call me a liberatarian. You need to take some courses in comprenhension. No. No, in fact in many cases, the ones doing the cooking was fellow Jews.

No, only a very messed up mind makes up such crazy garbage. I am not a liberal, never have been, but that does not mean I cannot like a few of their ideas. Being a conservative does not mean I can only like or vote for conservatives, it simply means I have a general belief structure of limited federal government, low taxes, and personal responsibility. IWS is only involved to the point he went to bat for you trying to defend your comments as innocent and my comment as the first personal attack. Your admission that you did make the first attack pretty much leaves him with egg on his face. I am only a victim of IWS jumping to conclusions and blasting me without good reason. I am sure he is now feeling pretty silly for sticking up for you.

My answers were the same as Brotherman and for the same reasons except this one: 15.All authority, by its nature, should be questioned False True The question itself was too narow, but given a choice of either questioning authority or blindly accepting it, I would decide to question it. To me authority istelf does not mean your always right so there should be checks and balances, but as a rule we should not make it a habit of fighting authority just for the sake of fighting it. There is a time and place as well, for example, fighting a ticket on the side of the road is not the right time or place.

Because the entire reason for welfare is to buy votes, the same reason liberals fight any requirement to show identity when voting, the same reason both Hillary and Barak are promising more free money if they get elected. Who do you think the welfare getting drug addict is going to vote for, the liberal wanting to increase their free checks, or the conservative trying to cut it?

While it is you who is the hypocrite, interesting. At least now you admit your post was to call me a liberal, IWS was running head first into a wall trying to put an innocent spin on what you were saying. I hope now he will start to understand I was right about your intentions and give me the appology I deserve from his over reaction against me.

No, you only pretended to agree with me to include an attack on me by calling me a liberal. Everyone except IWS understood your attack for what it was.

No, most could care less about me or anyone else, this is an internet forum, not really too important to most people. What seems to be the common thread is not how much anyone likes me but how much they don't like you. I know you don't care, that is why you decided to break the peace by starting to attack me again, you missed the attention. You can't blame this mess on me, from what I have been told, you act this way in every forum you go to, most of them have banned you to keep the peace, I guess you never learn.

Finally something we can agree on.

No, 15 people so far and even IWS told me basically the same thing the last time we had issues. Everyone agrees your an idiot, but their method of dealing with you is to ignore your more irritating tendancy to lie about things just to make your points sound better. When some of us have called you down on your lies, you have turned to personal attacks and childish "I am not you" garbage. No, what is going to happen is the powers that be will most likely ban me and let you do whatever you like out of pity for your stupidity. But no matter what happens, I am done letting you get away with your crap.

I know you are but what am I? You are exactly what you claim me to be. You call everyone else names but your the biggest problem this forum has. Everyone else is writing me pm's all telling me your an idiot and to just ignore you, well maybe they can let you skate but I can't. Your a well poisoner Wez, plain and simple.

Overall: 95% Conservative, 5% Liberal Social Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal Personal Responsibility: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal Fiscal Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal Ethics: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal Defense and Crime: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

So was that the long version of just agreeing with what I already said? Shades of grey? And I was talking about someolike Wez who only had an opinion he could copy/paste. There is nothing wrong with a few jabs back and forth during spirited discussion, I even ask for it on my forum. I put a limit on what I call type 2 personal attacks that are designed to "only" demaen or belittle other people. Someone like Wez would be removed in less than a day because he has never had a discussion with some he does not agree with without making these kinds of attacks. When Wez was blocking me things were very good, but he could not let things go without the strife so he had to start it back up. Clearly he is the instigator, you can either put the blame where it belongs or continue to be wrong and blame me, it is your choice as the man with the power. This is why Wez is so bad, you defending him pumps up his nads and he feels justified with his excesses, you only have yourself to blame for the mess here caused by Wez. Yes, editing here and there is normal, editing the same post 15 times is not, this was my point and I know your bringht enough to understand that so by pretending to not know why I said what I said, your admitting to being part of the problem. Never said it did, just giving you the play bny play, his calling me a liberal was the main point. Okay, I started out giving you the benefit of the doubt and he just had you fooled, it was either that or your just helping him. Pointing out that you had to twist his post around to make it innocent is not an attack. To someone taking his side sure, but read it again and something else is clear, I said I don't "think" he ever knows what he is talking about. Clearly this is my opinion and if your gonna blast me for forming my own opinions based on my observations, what is the point of having any discussion? I have already attempted this with Wez a hundred times, I have also watched others try as well. Wez is completely immune to logic and reasonable discussion. So now I treat him the same as he treats me, but I see you don't openly say anything bad to him, I wonder....... No, I resorted to making an observation based on Wez's long history of attacking everyone who refuses to bow down to him. You said it yourself, this entire attack your making on me now is based on "your assumption" of an innocent comment made by Wez that most other people did not assume was innocent. Why is "your assumption" grounds to attack me but I cannot make a comment on what he really did say? If you notice something else, Wez never clarified, so clearly he did mean Liberal. Maybe you should stop making so many assumptions, clearly in this case, your assumption was dead wrong. So if was out of character for me as you say, then maybe you should have stopped and looked a little closer before jumping to conclusions and blasting me. And I made my comment clearly as my opinion, if openly stating our opinions are now bad on this forum, what is next? Then you need to work on your joke skills, it sure did not sound like a joke. There iso reason for a staff member to even use the word ban when commenting to members. The only reason it to threaten. Similar to a cop putting his hand on his firearm, he never draws it, but the warning is very clear. Right, that is why Wez is still posting personal attacks all over the place, your doing a great job, lol. I never lied about anything, you were tossing words like banning in my direction and I called you on it, you later said you never meant anythign about it but I still say there was no reason to bring it up unless you were making threats. I have no problem talking to you in private but public or private the only thing that matters to me is you to get Wez under control and none of this is even necessary. Wez is the common factor to 99% of the problems on this forum, but your spending most of your time on me with what you have already admitted was your wrong assumption. I don't care what other people think, I guess you do. I run a couple forums myself and doing my job to keep the peace is all I worry about. Maybe you should stop trying to make friends and do something about the Wez problem instead. Going overboard on me for a wrong assumption on your part is not moderating, dealing with Wez is. Take care of Wez, and the rest will fall into place. As pointed out by eddo, Wez made the first personal attack, so will you give me an appology for wrongsly accusing me of making the first personal attack? The only way you can make Wez's comment innocent, is to twist it around, why is it he gets so much understand from you while you go out of your way to bash me? Look, I "responded" to Wez, Wez is the problem, deal with it or not as your choice, but stop blaming me for "responding".

If your feel that comment is needed, obviously you do see it as an attack. Right, that is an attack, why must someone be labeled a liberal just because they have done something a liberal would do? Am I suddenly a woman or gay if I pick up a purse to look at it? Am I black if I like to eat watermellon? Am I an accountant if I own my own adding machine? Again, why the attack on his no longer being a conservative if he does one thing that looks liberal? Again, shades of gray. Besides, clearly he was not acting as a liberal because the liberals have held it up saying Bush did not allow enough free money to be given out. I gacve short quotes in that thread about corruption, everhthing else I posted was from me. I don't see anythign worng with offering quotes to "support" an idea, but when it is the "only" thing you can offer because you don't have a working knowledge of the topic yourself, why even post? I never said I was above personal attacks, but it is not "all" I have to offer or bring to the table. Wez has been posting on forums a long time now, clearly using the preview tab would help him but many times he will keep thinking of stuff he wants to add instead of just thinking through his post before making it. That proves he is posting out of anger, not thinking things through past his need to strike out at someone. Yes it was started by Wez, no he did not attack me directly, but he attacked the idea of conservatism. He knows I am a conservative so he decided a backward insult was good enough to get the ball rolling. Wez is a very smart person, clearly smart enough to fool you. Look at my posts here, you will even see me complimenting him saying he has many good points, but he ruins his points with the added garbage. The difference you refuse to see is while I can see his good points, all he can see is his hatred. And insulted me calling me a liberal. Maybe you like being called something your not, I don't. I can't speak on brotherman's reasons for anything. You assumed, if you feel justified to assume one way, why am I wrong for assuming he meant what he said? So in your opinion, I should completely ignore a clear comment by Wez calling me a liberal and I should "assume" he meant what he did not say right? I am taking the low road just because I took Wez for his word? You have the power to do what you want, feel free to do just that, but your 100% wrong. And yet in almost every example of the loss of civility, Wez is involved, but you don't care about that do you? And a passing jab at me at the end to prove your true motivation for making the post in the first place, nice touch. You gonna threaten to ban me again? The second you put this much attention and energy into dealing with Wez (you admit he is the biggest problem) it the second I will consider you really care about keeping the peace on the forum. IWS has had some issues with me so is most likely just using this as an excuse to take a shot at me.

Testing every two days is not needed and is typical of how you liberals always go overboard on everything. Mixing up testing methods like somethimes doing hair samples without warning are much better and would keep the price of testing at a bare minimum.

You should know, that is where your going. And instead of facing the observations made about your trend to attack everyone, you decided the best way to deflect attention away from you was to attack three other people, in fact, I never commneted in the Wez thread until you attacked me "first". And being as you hate yourself so much you cannot even face the reality of what you are, your exactly what you claim everyone else ot be. You can't be, I am much smarter, better looking, and do not blame the government for anything in my own life. You are a bully Wez, and your only reaction to it being pointed out is to do it some more. No a revelation to be honest, I can tell with your every post that even you hate you. Like with you, a great example, your uglyness is spilling out all over the forum, how about doing something about that. Your the hypocrite wez, you even murdered your own child, do you think killing an innocent life was something Jesus supported? It is you who needs new tactics Wez, everyone sees you for the narrow minded idiot you truly are. No. Look Wez, your problem is you believe anyone in a group of any kind is somehow controled by the group, or maybe the uniform is controlling them, that is why I laugh at you so much. Each man is responsible for their own actions. The concept of a soldier is not evil or good on it's own, there are many other factors. Your stuck on labeling all soldiers as evil and refuse to accept reality so your blinded.

That has to be one of the best ideas I have heard to curb welfare abuse. I agree 100%, if they can afford to abuse drugs, they don't need welfare.

Because your attacking me, do you want to blame the one being attacked? Sure you do, that is your method, you attack everyone who refuses to agree with you and when your called on your rediclious behavoir, you start with the harassment. Clearly your just pissed I won't bow down to you.

Not really interesting, but clearly when your responsible for 75% of the negative threads in this reguard, your proving yourself to be pure instigator. You started the threads, not us, so clearly your the one trying to deflect onto us. Your always playing a victim of people teaming up on you but the reason so many agree your an idiot is because you are an idiot, no mater how much you try to make us you. You can't make us you, no matter how hard tyou try you cannot make us into the bully you are. Why would anyone want to be you Wez? Nobody want to be you, not even you. That is why you cannot admit to your problems, because you would need to look in the mirror closely, and that is a task nobody wants. I don't want to punnish you Wez, I just want you to either stop with the personal attacks and other 5 year old childish tactics, or just go back to blocking me, leaving me alone. No, soldiers.

Funny considering it was you who blocked me after I started using your childish tactics against you. Why don't you just go back to blocking me again, the forum was a lot nicer without your constantly chasing me around attacking me.

Out of 4, you created 3, so clearly your the problem. You made the ones against me, eddo, and brotherman to deflect your problems on us so you did not hacve to face them, you have never been able to do more then attack people who you cannot browbeat. That was the first time I noticed your childish tactics, why would I forget it. Sure there are hundreds of examples of how you surround good points with dog crap making it impossible to take you seriously, but why worry about all the mess when the first mess is the best example of your true nature. No.