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Great point eddo, and one radical liberals like Bender will never grasp...... So Bender, you want the illegals sent home, but you do not support any law or action that would actually do that? Your the one who wants his cake and eat it too, we can't send them home if we are handcuffed by liberals like you who will not allow anyone to be asked if they are here illegally. So in fact you "DO NOT" want them sent home because you directly block every attempt to do it in reality. I have identification on me every day, I have no problem producing it if an officer asks me to, no problem. I produce my identification to vote, again I have no problem with that. Let's use a tiny bit of common sense here Bender, if the illegal person can't speak english and can't produce identification, you really believe it is wrong to then start wondering if he is illegal? Really?

And yet even CNN reported that she was already on record as submitting the absentee ballot Bender, that was the facts of the story and reported accurately. Your biased, I get it, you can only see what the liberals approve for you to assimilate, but the rest of us can see past the brainwashing and that really upsets those of you who can';t dosn't it?

Another interesting fact:

You got racism on the mind, you get a life outside of the liberal shell you see everything through, this law has nothing to do with race, never did. The problem I have is they are all wrong, this law never did that even before the adjustment, everyone who thought it did never read and understood the law in the first place and were just jumping to conclusions based on political correctness and yes, many, many Republicans spend too much time trying to be politically correct instead of being informed. I don't like that part. lol, nice dodge. I thought Obama was the President of "change"? Why keep falling on that sword and making excuses? If everything Bush did was wrong, fine, do something different and get it done instead of trying to say it is okay Obama does nothing just because Bush did nothing? I did not like Bush in his last two years either, I was very vocal against much of what he did but you Bender, you never say Obama is wrong, you never take a possition against what liberals ever do. What? What the hell are you talking about? We woulf get a huge reduction in taxes spent if we got rid of the illegals, most of these States give illegals welfare, free medical, free education, even low income housing, all of that spent money goes back in the tax coffers when we no longer have to support people who are here illegally and not paying taxes. Again, we have plenty of money to take over auto companies, we have plenty of money to take over medical care, we have plenty of money to take over banks, but we can't secure the border? Go to Colorado, grab the 4th ID and put them on the border, I doubt seriously we are in danger of Canada invading and no need to have a massive military buildup in Colarado. We pay these troops anyway as well as regular support so the difference in cost would be almost nothing to have them on the border instead of sitting outside Colorad Springs doing nothing. Then, after the border is secured, build the fence, no one step will fix this problem, but taking no steps will never fix the problem. I'll ask you right out Bender, should the illegals be sent home? Should we secure our borders?

I support true bipartisanship but more often than not the only people giving up their possitions are the conservatives while the liberals end up getting everything they want, they just get it little baby steps at a time.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/18/voting-snafu-snags-lincoln/?fbid=IK18TCtucfy CNN reported on this too Bender, so I guess Fox was 100% accurate, lol. Don't be sour grapes there my friend, just because Fox is ripping the liberal media to shreads that is no reason to be unfair. Fox allows more balance in their reporting than any of the other networks. Sure they tend to report things the other networks refuse to report like the ACORN mess but that is the way news used to be, report the facts and let the people decide but for some reason the liberal media has forgotten that part and has stopped letting the people decide for themselves. Now all the other Networks try to tell people what to think, lead them to a opinion or decision they want them to make, and that to me is evil.

You obviously never saw Specter's voting record, lol. Hes was a liberal for most of his career. Obama didn't campaign for the other guy either Bender, it had nothing to do with who was the greater progressive, it was all about the understanding that no Democrat can win that seat based on what Obama understands about the race so he refused to hitch his wagon to another failed campaign. But how about integrity Bender? Does it bother you at all that Obama made a promise and backed out of it? Is that really the kind of leadership you guys want?

Why is it your always wanting me to cover every tiny little point from you but you never answer a single question I ask of you? Look bender, of course there are many people from all aspects of the spectrum who are both for and against this law, but the few you can name who are not pure liberals are so insignificant compared to those who are it is not an issue. This is the same point I make against abortion supporters, you only want to talk about the 1% part of the issue while completely ignoring the 99% of the problem. Why can't you admit the Federal Government has the responsibility to secure the border? Why can't you admit Obama is on vacation on this very bad problem? Why can't you admit this discussion never happens if the Federal Government enforces the laws they are responsible for enforcing? This law is a symptom, not part of the problem, we need our elected officials to fix the real problem and that is the completely open borders and illegals sucking our tax dollars out of us like a leech. By the way, just because someone might be registered as a Republican that does not mean they were conservative, many like Specter who just got defeated were Republicans but voted very liberal and even Bush was very Liberal in his last two years so you have to look past their possition and see their policy in this instance and most of them against this is also against securing the border and that is a Liberal stand no matter what party they happen to be in at the time.

But even the american medical association supported Obamas healthcare takeover while most of it's members do not. The AARP did the same exact thing. Even the Unions have become puppets for the Obama administration while they screw their membership. I have no idea why, but they seem to be getting away with it too, lol.

Well it is no surprise that Liberals want illegals to vote but it has usually been more along the lines of letting them vote under assumed names of real Americans and not have to show identification proving they are that person. But why stop at that? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/cityinsider/detail?entry_id=63778&tsp=1 1 in 3 households are illegals with kids in schools? No wonder they are broke, all these people using services but not paying for them? And now not paing taxes or being legal these same people should be allowed to vote? Liberals are crazy in my opinion, lol.

So the Republican turned Democrat who Obama took special care to say how much he would support Specter for re-election at the time he switches parties..........has found out Obama politics are not what you think they are, lol. Obama seeing that no Democrat showed very much promise of winning the seat in the end made a political decision not to campaign for Specter as he originally promised. Obama saw that another canidate losing after he was campaigning for them would just destroy him so Obama decided not to help Specter when there was no way to win.......but what about integrity? What about doing what you promised to do? Change? Or more of the same old partisan politics? I just think it is funny as hell this idiot hitched his wagon to the Democrats and they deserted him

I would like to express my wishes to Blanch for a speedy recovery, she must be extremely sick if she only tried to vote twice........

So hugo, your not interested in knowing the truth, your happy just running with your assumptions and personal attacks on those who refuse to set aside facts and agree with your wrong conclusions? Your wrong buddy, nothing shameful about that, what is shameful is attacking my dead mother because your pissed off at being proven wrong.

Just like if Obama wanted to do anything about this problem he would, and considering securing the border is the responsibility of Obama and company now, why should Arizona do what Obama is refusing to do? Again, what you fail to understand is that this is a problem that exists without this law and the failures of our Federal Government caused this problem. If taking over everything from banks to car companies is considered a priority for Obama when it never was in the past and is certainly not spelled out in our Constitution, why is it Obama is hands off on securing our borders when that is very much a job requirement of the Federal Government? Some cops don't enforce speeding laws, that does not make speeding laws bad or wrong. A cop is a person and is subject to their own bias and political beliefs, a few cops being against this law does not even make me blink, few cops want more work piled on their desk, they do a tough job but they are still Government employees and the local sheriff has to get elected, in a community where there are a lot of latino voters, the sheriff has to take a possition against it publically even if he agrees with it in private. I worked the streets and still have to do serve on a reserve status to keep my certifications current in case I ever want to go back. A cop could just talk to the people and the ones who can't speak english very well and have no identification when you ask them for it to do a ticket or something are most likely illegal. This is not a big deal, in an area like Arizona a cop could get a few illegals every day if he wanted to. If I was with the INS I would go to construction sites and farms and get hundreds of illegals every week. Finding the illegals is not that hard and it would not require any real thinking to find them. But for some reason the Federal Government does not "want" to find them, so good people sometimes have to make hard decisions to do what they must to survive, the State of Arizona is fighting for their survival in a time where they do not have the money to pay for the illegals, something has to be done. The vast majority, yes. Most yes, almost every single complainer has never actually read the law and are only following liberal trends to resist any restriction to illegals comming to America. Ask these same people if they want the borders closed and they say no....so they are in fact liberals. Not if it is the truth, you liberals call any attempt to restrict illegals comming to America racist, but it has almost nothing to do with race, it is about the law and our inability to pay for them. Why is it the radical liberals never want to talk about the laws or the severe drain on the taxpayers these illegals represent? Why is it the problem is never discussed but any attempt at a solution is the talk of the town? This kind of law is only in existence because Liberals have blocked every attempt before now to fix the real problem. If Liberals get onboard with solutions and ideas I will respect their complaints but if all they are interested in doing is "blocking" any attempt at dealing with this huge problem then I don't care what they have to say, because they have shown themselves to be part of the problem, not the solution. Where is Obama on this problem? How about he negotiate with Arizona to drop this law and in turn he will promise to secure the border? Securing the border is his job you know, and it would help fix the problem so a State like Arizona does not feel all alone in the dark and having to take matters into their own hands because of an uncaring Obama Administration.

To pacify the radical left that are all jumping on the bandwagon attacking a law that they have never read but will gain them what they believe to be political clout just to be seen objecting to it. Layers of protection Bender, they added a layer of protection "just to be sure" and as IWS said, they are also getting special training as a third layer of protection. But I have to give special comment to eddo on what he said: eddo hit the nail on the head, "if" a police officer wants to be racist, there are more than enough laws and methods already on the books to make it easy for him to push a racist agenda without this law. As I have said before, this law is an attempt to deal with a massive problem, trying to say this is racist is not making any sense to those who have actually read and understands the law as it is written. Crying "racist" every couple days is starting to become like the little boy who cried wolf, the people are starting to no longer listen because you liberals have abused the word to describe things that have nothing to do with race for far too long. It is time to give the word a rest and start actually dealing with our severe problems instead of sticking our heads in the sand because we are scare of being called racist.

Okay hugo, we are just trying to educate you, nothign else, in a weird kind of way you might even believe this is as bad as your behavior shows but your missing the point we are trying to show you. Pedo's are "NOT" like everyone else, Tori tried to tell you, most of them desire the innocence a child possess, if the child is behaving like an adult, most of them will not even notice the child. They are sick hugo, you can't apply normal adult thinking to a sick person like that, your off track because you refuse to understand the Psychology involved. Then to add to that when people like Tori and I attempt to educate you on something your not understanding you get defensive and start attacking instead of accepting the fact that your wrong. There is no shame not not knowing something, the shame is in getting all pissed off at being wrong and striking out in nasty ways to those who are only trying to educate you. Oh, I almost forgot, you asked about why some of them have the harder video/pictures, there are many reasons, the most common is two sides of the coin, the innocence, and the taking of innocence. The images and videos of little kids being little kids represent the innocence, little kids dancing and dressing like adults do not. The pedo does not want an adult, as Tori said if just the body type was desirable dressed as an adult then they would not be a pedo, there are plenty of very small women out there for that. No hugo, they want the child, the innocence and this kind of video shows the kids acting like adults, this would not get a pedo excited.

That was pretty much my point Joe. In the last few years there has been a real move by many doctors away from medicare because it is close to impossible to survive on what the Government pays. With all the big talk from Obama and company they still have not done one thing to get cost control, all they did was grab more power. What happens when Obama gets everyone in the Nation covered under Government healtcare but no doctors will take these people as patients? Having health insurance nobody accepts is the same thing as not having insurance.

Ya, I had heard about the anti-law stuff before but this is the first time I heard of where regular people were harassed for supporting the law silently, just a note on cloting just like the team had on their clothing, what a mess we are getting into and all because the Federal Government refuses to enforce it's requirement to control the border.

More and more doctors and hospitals are refusing to accept medicare, being as medicare is offered as the example of how well the Government can operate medical care, this should tell us all that we need to get as far away from the Government controlling medical care as possible. Severely low reimbursement rates combined with an extremely slow payment speed (can take 6 months to get paid for a qualifying visit) is making it very difficult for doctors to stay in business providing care for these patients. While Obama wasted a year forcing his idea of Government controlled medical care onto the American people, they could have worked on fixing the free care we already provide. Where do people get their "free care" if there are no doctors who accept it?

Two fans at a Phoenix Suns basketball game were ejected from their first row seats and removed from the arena last week after refusing orders from security guards to take off their shirts in support of Arizona’s recently passed law against illegal immigration. One of the fans, businessman Jim Clark, said he and a friend, who were wearing orange shirts that read “Viva Los 1070,� eventually were allowed to return to their seats during last Wednesday’s game against the San Antonio Spurs after speaking with a security director. This is not the first occurrence of politics creeping into the Suns basketball games: On Cinco de Mayo, team owner Robert Sarver came up with the idea for the team to wear “Los Suns� on their jerseys in protest of the immigration law. That’s what drove Clark to don his own shirt. “If they’re going to shove their politics down my throat, I’m going make a message of my own,� Clark told The Daily Caller. The phrase “Viva Los 1070� is in reference to the recently passed Arizona immigration law, Senate Bill 1070. The basketball team decided to make a political statement on their uniforms against the new law, private citizens fugured if the team can make a large supportive statement on their clothing against the new law, why not support the law with their own clothing, obviously only people who are saying the "CORRECT" political things are allowed to do so in that stadium. We are being divided people, like it or not this is a problem and we can't just ignore the problem and think someone else will fix it "some day". The Arizona law is difficult, but the situation they are in is even more difficult and the decision was not made just to punnish or hate illegals, it was done because the State has no other choice but to do something, anything to bring this problem under control. To all those people who are attacking Arizona I say this, it is easy to complain about Arizona when it is not you who is paying billions of taxpayer dollars every year. If your feel that bad for the illegals, do not just sit there complaining while an entire State is facing ruin because of this illegal problem. I bet nobody complaining about this law has invited illegals to come live in their home.

lol, too bad you didn't choose to be a decent human being. By going to extremes, your actually making it easier for pedos and terrorists to gain footholds, the desensitization of society is done by people like you who call everything the end of the world. You do not allow for the fact that some things are worse than others, I even used your own quote by a dance teacher proving that it is the teachers who lead, you can't admit that though can you hugo, typical liberal tactics to attack everyone and blur the lines of the discussion so you can get away without admitting you were wrong.

Very bad idea, it will be a symbol of victory for all radical Islam to toppls such a great symbol of America and to replace it with a grand symbol of Islam, and that is the most likely the real intent.

OMG, what a crazy and truly typical over the top comment typical of hugo and all liberals.

Okay, I am very hard on Obama in many ways, but I cannot be unfair. If you look at Obama's record he has two faces on this issue, Obama as a person wants severe gun control, you can see it directly in a few places but you can also read between the lines on a lot of what he says, for example we have this question asked of him: Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president? A: I don’t think that we can get that done. So Obama has been consistent in that while he may want severe gun control, he understands that doing something himself would not be a good idea and will avoid it. Obama has said many times he wants to go after illegal guns and I fully support that.

And I agree, for once your starting to see the real problem, the dance instructors, the parents don't know what dance is good or not compared to what the teacher is teaching. We need more teachers like this guy, not the kind who instructed the kids in the video. Most kids are in broken homes anyway, there is only a mother no father in their life and the only other adult figures the children have is people like these dance coaches, the football coach, baseball, martial arts, soccer. These adults who are spending more time with the kids than the parents do, they are helping to raise the children too, and without their help, the parents are fighting an uphill battle.