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Interesting that there really is little informaion available on this thing other then what the community is providing, makes me wonder if this is a kind of hoax or something? If not a hoax it is most likely some deformed animal that could not survive it's deformities. The DNA can be checked to see what it is.

With all the promises of transparancy in reality Obama has been the lest accessable President for the press in recent times. Obama tends to prefer interviews and 'infomercials' over press conferences because it allows him greater control over what he wants to say and to avoid painful topics he wants to stay away from. Obama has had a horrible time facing the press in an unrehersed and controlled environment to the degree that he is worse than Bush ever was under the same conditions. Obama shunning the press conference apearances has actually made even the normally very supportive liberal media a little upset because Obama seems to be reinventing his own media releases and limiting their access to ask him the questions they want to get answers for. I am really looking foward to this to see how he does and to see how he faces the tough questions because only recently has the mainstream media been asking him the tough questions, I want to see if he finally steps out from behind the screen and is open and honest with the American people or if he will stay behind his screen and act as usual like an elitist who is above the little people and need not explain things that are obviously (to him) beyond their understanding.

I don't know eddo, to me it is like saying someone is a little pregnant, you either are or your not in my book. Artists and politicians are in the business of seelling themselves, the more polular they are the more records they sell or the more powerful office they can get so more money they can get in bribes.

Agreed, very funny.

So you must also agree it should be uncensored in any way and include all the facts including an ultrasound...good...stay on topic or f-ck off. The topic is about censored media. If your pea-brain has trouble wrapping itself around that concept then you have bigger problems than I previously thought. The abortion thread is in the On Topic BS section. Here, I’ll even provide you the link incase you get lost again: http://Off Topic Forum.com/topic/28634-women-seeking-abortions-must-view-an-ultrasound/ The one thing about Wez that took me a long time to figure out is he does not care about any topic or idea, all he wants is to pick a fight. So what he does is figure out who he wants to fight with then take one or two concepts or ideas he thinks he can use to "beat them up" with then chase that person all over the forum spamming his attempts to get them to fight. You trading insults with him is all he wants. Sometimes I give him a little attention and sometimes I just wave him off but it helps to understand his only reason to post on the forum so you don't waste time thinking he cares about the topic because he dosen't. Hey emkay, I also think it is funny when they get the words wrong, but kids also learn how to look up their songs and figure it out.

And people have been trying to change the laws, but until they can get the local governments to follow what the majority of Americans want then these pieces of garbage are on the street. What happens when the State just flat out refuses to fix the problem? Your missing that point that the Feds are there to step in when the States screw up, that is why I mentioned Rondey King. The cops would never have been charged with civin rights violations had the State been successful in imposing their own punnishments but the Sta failed so the Feds came in with their own charges and got the job done. The feds act as a safety net to catch the things the States drop, and I agree with that system because the only other alternative is to have these cratures back on the streets. Exactly, as I said, for cause, so we see here a cause for action by the federal Government, we have a child molester who will molest again if released, and the Government taking steps to ensure that they do not do that.......for cause. A whim? You think wanting to protect children from a predator is something akin to a whim? Why can't that goal be more than just a whim? Why can't the goal to protect children from those who have "proven" they will hurt tham be a founding principle of humanity? Why can't the Federal Government enact guidelines and rules outside of the States to ensure the States do not screw up? Your other points of joints and such are just going overboard, of course the crime must measure up to the level of enforcement, and I believe a child molester does measure up to that high of a scale, trying to insert such insignificant things is not being reasonable buddy. So because a few leaders in a State want to allow child molestation to be legal, all those people in the State should move to protect their children? I don't agree, I like the States to have certain rights, but not to ignore the people and what they want. Almost all Americans want these monsters off the streets, if the States refuse, then someone should step in and take care of this and if that means it is the feds, I'm okay with that but it sure would be nice to see the States pay attention to the people enough to fix the problem. Nieve. If your going to condone the releasing of pedophiles you need to at least be honest enough to admit that there "will" be children who will pay a price for your demanding they be released back into society. If you can't make that admission than your not taking the discussion seriously. No parent can be 100% watchful of their children, hell even the teachers have been busted molesting children so you can't even say they are safe at school. So yes, there will be victims, the question is once someone has demonstrated they are willing to molest children, what "should" be dome about that person? If the State refuses to be reasonable in dealing with these monsters, then yes, I want the Feds to step in and deal with it, just like they did for the Rodney Kind situation. Is that not what I am doing right now? I am supporting a set of laws that do protect children the way I want them protected, I would support these moves at the State level as a first choice of course, but in the absense or reasonable actions on the State level, I will take the Federal level as a sad but reasonable alternative. It is really bad that the States even left such a big problem hanging without response forcing the Feds to take action in the first place. my main point These monsters "NEED" to be dealt with, if not by the States, then the Feds, this is not a question of something that can be ignored or delayed because each of these failures represents a child who is raped and maybe even killed while the debate goes nowhere. Inactivity and argueing in circles the destruction of a child's life, and this is unacceptable. Consider the biggest complaint about the Federal Government right now is that they are not listening to the people, well the people are screaming to deal with these animals, so now your saying that the federal Government should continue to ignore the will of the people and refuse to deal with this problem?

Wow! I think that statement just embedded the point TJ was getting at with this thread. That was a terrible accusation! I resent being even considered a bigot! Everybody is invited to camp out at Chi’s house! I want sausage and eggs for my breakfast Chi or I’m eating your dog! Finally someone said it, thank you very much snaf, I was wondering if there was one other person on this board who would actually pin her down on this. Chi actually proves why we can't fix this massive problem, she is more concerned with race than the laws of the land. To Chi all that seems to matter is that the invasion of America is being done by people who look like her, it is Chi who is stuck on race, she does not want the law enforced "only" because these are fellow Hispanics. I do not believe for a second that she would want higher taxes if suddenly 12 million Japanese people invaded America to squat and get on welfare. We just have to look at the facts of Chi's arguements, she refuses to accept that they do get all forms of welfare, Chi refuses to admit they do have their many kids in our schools and she downplays the crime rates and drug trafficking the Mexicans conduct over our border. Chi also refuses to see that the "AMERICANS" on the border and living in border States do live in fear, do have thousands of illegals walking through their land and leaving trash to include dead bodies. So far the only defense Chi has offered to allowing illegals to stay and continue crossing into America is that everyone who does not want this is a racist.....................

You are hot emkay, there is disputing that fact, but the real beauty is inside, not outside, and can you say your showing a beautiful side of yourself by chasing me around like this?

You nailed it. I think I'll go kick a puppy now too for good measure. No, you wouldn't want to bruise the meat before cooking it, ruins the taste even with BBQ sauce.

And as I keep pointing out, if it was really that bad, you would not even bother to post, lol. But I like your attention anyway emkay, you make me feel special that you devote so much of your personal life to chase me around

You guys as in liberals (and others) who turn everything into race baiting to divert attention away from the "real" problem, I had no idea you were hispanic, although "Chi" now makes sense. I never said race "was never" an issue, I said it was not an issue now or with the current inability to pay for the 12 million illegals currently in America. We have a massive problem, it needs to be dealt with, sticking your head in the sand and pretending to not see the problem just because you want to defend your fellow hispanics is not going to fix this problem Chi. Where is your first loyalty Chi? America or Mexico? If your an American than be concerned with an American issue, if your a Mexican first then be proud that your invasion is going well and your infiltration of our political system has been so successful so far.

Actually it is not, of course you never read anything anyway, you just look to see I posted and flame away, lol. As I said before, I take every thread and it's topic seriously, while many of you don't, all you do is look for excuses to derail and flame, if you can't speak on topic, why not just leave it alone?

Well race has nothign to do with it, why is it you far liberals always have to insert things like race into a discussion to try and derail it? I said before, if we were being invaded by white Canadians we would still have the exact same problem of running out of money to pay for them Chi. That is the one thing you guys will never admit to. If you guys want to invade and take over, at least support yourself in the process instead of acting like a cancer and killing the host your invading.

Recent accusations made by Chi has me wondering what Liberals think laws are based on for society? Chi keeps trying to paint me a racist or a hater just because I desire rules with penalties as part of a health society. I don't really understand her possition but I guess she believes the only reason to punnish a murderer or child molester is if you have direct hatred of that person, or type of person. Put simply, that is not reasonable. To reverse her possition, does that mean that I love everyone else in the world that does not break the law? I think her and most liberals miss the point that society must have rules to exist, and if you break those rules then there must be a penalty. I don't need to hate someone to hold them responsible for what they do. I additionaly do not need to hate someone to support the creation of laws to support the morals and beliefs of a society either. I don't hate people, hatred is a personal and deep emotion that usually spells out a problem with yourself, not someone else. I do believe some people demonstrate their inability to live in society sometimes, but that is based on their actions, not their race or religion or anything else that some might think could provoke a severe emotional reaction like hatred. In all honestly, my possition on the lowest element of society is more based on logic and hard truths than emotions. Yes, initally when I hear of an event like some of these creatures perform I get very sad, I wish, truly wish that humans could get beyond this kind of thing, but that sadness is not served well by turning to hate, it is better to keep the sadness pure and clean while you deal with the cancer as a surgon does in the body of a patient. The doctor does not need hate to weild the scalpel, and neither do I.

Wez, you can't make me you so stop trying, your the only true hypocrite on this forum. Great point snaf, under times of severe stress even Atheists call out to God sometimes out of instinct, yet another thing that supports his reality. And yes, censoring is stupid.

I find myself wondering what artist you like that is not an attention whore? To the best of my knowledge that describes just about every person in entertainment and politics eddo.

Again, if protecting soceity from danger is not already a responsibility of Government, what is? The power was already there my friend, this is not a new power, if the Government can already take a life, than how much more power can they have? I'll ask you the question too being as she will never answer it, what if a State suddenly said child molesting is no longer a crime? Is that okay? Should the Federal Government be hands off? Your missing the real point of my possition. Protecting the public is the first responsibility of Government, if a State cannot do that, then the Feds have to step in and do it because you can't just have 'some' of these guys loose on the streets. That is why I also mentioned terrorists, if you know for a fact this terorist will kill people, do you release him into America just to preserve your version of "purity"? And whos child pays the price for your feelings of "purity"? Do you offer one of your loved ones up for sacrifice? I say anyone who wants pedophiles released should be forced to move them into their homes first as a kind of halfway house, then we will see the depth of their convictions and "purity". It is always easy to talk about releasing these monsters into the public when you never have to face them yourself. I say openly and proudly that I don't wan't them on the street once they have demonstrated they cannot live in polite society (for cause). If that goal can be accomplished by each State, fine, no biggie, but if the States refuse to deal with this problem, then I want the Federal Government to step in and protect society, that is their job. This is no different than the Civil rights movement, without force applied by the Federal Government, many States would have ignored the laws. States are run by people, and people don't always do the right thing.

The point is if you want to be the word and spelling police you need to not be making these kinds of stupid mistakes yourself Chi. For every hard working illegal that is making under the table money (not paying taxes), there are three to four dependents who are not working such as the children who get free schools and free lunches, etc. As eddo pointed out, while by law their not entitled, all of them still get it mostly because social workers tend to be very far left liberals/socialists anyway and will never ask for proof of citizenship before giving them welfare. You obviously never spent time around emergency rooms where illegals tend to live. Hospitals do not call immgration, they know they will get paid by the government anyway (hense Obama talking about taxpayers covering the cost) and as long as their making money no big deal, so no, illegals are not scared to go to the doctor. And that right there is 100% proof that the story I posted is accurate. I have nothing against these people because of their race, I have something against their actions to invade America and steal either directly or indirectly from hard working Americans and legal immegrants. We are broke Chi. We have no more money and we have to figure out ways to save money, trillions of dollars can be saved every year if we deal with the illegals, it is a business decision, a practical decision, and even a logical decision. Only the most radical of socialists try to make this a race issue because they have no other way of defending their true belief that America should not have a border or laws against illegally coming here to get welfare.

Even one of the shows on CNN last night was saying this looks very bad and that everyone needed to come clean and say who said what and when. This is not going away, more and more people are starting to ask what happened, this may just be the turning point that forces the mainstream networks to finally start reporting the many problems this President seems to be having. One report shows that Obama has been intentionally avoiding the press because he does not want to face certain questions. Compared to Bush and Clinton, Obama has been almost a hermit to the press and will not allow open questions the way Bush did. Interesting considering how Obama promised to be more accessable and transparent than Bush, I guess that is just one more example of how some liberal politicians will say anything to get elected and after that, they just brush off those promises as insignificant.

I think the real point is does it make any difference? Should every scrap of land in the world that can show it was "once" owned by someone else not be able to be defended by it's current owner? Battles are fought and land is accuired or loss according to those battles, sure it is sometimes sad to accept it, but we should not be frozen into inactivity because of it.

Gave us something to do

I've always been more about the music than the artist. I don't care how big of an idiot the artist is, I either like the song or I don't. I'm the same with actors; I don't care how big of an idiot an actor is in real life, I either like their acting or I don't. Well said, I say the same thing, if I like it I really don't care about the weird activities of the artist, hell most of the really talented people in this world generally are weird, so I don't know how this woman is any different in that area, just her weird is unique to her. Michael Jackson was a deeply troubled and strange person for example, but I liked a lot of his music as one great example. As I said before, if I can dance to it and there is not a lot of profanity, I will like it most of the time with few exceptions. Whats wrong eddo, can't you dance?

I agree, if that really is the true reason stations are doing this then the people there are not really Christians in my way of thinking. This reminds me of the idiots who would advocate burning books and such, you can't force people to believe what you want them to believe by limiting access to things you think might steer them away from faith, it does not work that way. A true Christian knows the real faith and the drive to be closer to God comes from within, and no external elements can change that call. Sure, we stumble on the path, we don't stop being human just because we choose faith, but we will still generally stay on that path of discovery because of the internal compas that pulls us in that direction.

Actually, I think the challenge is from the Christians. Apparently, there are Christians raising a stick about him sayin he doesn't believe in God. I really hope that isn't why they cut it out, because I think it would be stupid to censor it just because someone doesn't want to accept the fact that there are athiests. I doubt it, it does not really sound like something that would be worth it, you have any idea how many songs directly attack faith? And let's not even talk about how many go against the ten commandments, lol.

What's wrong with Gaga? i personally don't enjoy her music. i think she sucks. Booooo...Great dance music with a good beat, but there isn't a lot of music I don't like, other than country and rap, and I even like some of that. Me too, I don't like the profanity rap though, but some of the clean stuff is pretty good, if you can dance to it, I usually like it, lol.