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[attach=full]2787[/attach]Here you go hugo, something to make you feel young again:

Yep, and we know how ugly Abe Lincoln was..... We have the queen on ours....I guess I'm not making a good case huh? lol, no, seems pretty dead on to me

Most of the names on the list seem to be real azzholes.......but happy B-day anyway hugo

Yep, and we know how ugly Abe Lincoln was.....

Well, I can't argue with that, lol.

Must be your font size, you can hold the Ctrl key and scroll the mouse to change the font, but I have it there to show the real hugo, he feels if people do not agree with him, they must be attacked and nothing is off limits for his hate, not even someone's dead mother.

I thought you were down on the daughter, no the mother..... So this was really just another "hate Sarah Palin" rant the Liberals have instructed you to do and attacking her family was just another logical extension......

Why is it I was not surprised in the least to find out hugo is a National Enquirer reader?

True, true, but at least I can admit it, lol. You may go overboard a lot hugo, but I still value you as a member of the forum, you provide a spice that would be missed if it was not there so I enjoy your posts even if I do not agree with them.

Great link hugo. Seems like the heat is really being turned up and one thing I notice most is the places who are doing the sanctuary thing and have open arms policies for illegals are all broke, there is a responsibility to taxpayers that all these Government workers and officials have turned their backs on to force their ideological beliefs on the communities. They don't care the money is gone, they don't care how many Americans they have to hurt as long as they can protect the illegals. America is being invaded, and liberals are helping in this invasion.

So being a teen mom is easy in your opinion? I'm not sure what the point was mentioning college and such but my point was that she has made some mistakes and is a great example to many people that teen pregnancy happens in good homes too. The pressures of going to school and raising a child is not easy no matter what your family situation is but not having a father there to help makes everything ten times worse. I don't feel sorry for her, but I don't feel she is a bad person either, why put so much energy into putting her down? Just because someone does not like her mother? What did she do to earn such hostility? Be born to the wrong family?

And there is the problem, nobody in their right mind believes that this is about racism, it has nothing to do with race, if Canadians were doing the exact same thing as the Mexicans and costing billions of dollars to be wasted dealing with this problem then they would be trying to deal with that too, it is about the law, it is about the cost, and it is about the freedoms of Americans to not feel scared to live in Arizona and other places just because the Federal Government refuses to enforce the laws. But, calling everyone racist is their only real card to play eddo. If the liberals told the truth and admitted their real reasons for not wanting to secure the border, almost all Americans would revolt.

The school of hard knocks can sometimes be our best teacher in life. Here we have a great example of how even in a loving home children and teens are not always perfect and must face challenges in life. Life would have been so much simpler if she had just killed her baby right? Escape taking responsibility and go on with her life like nothing happened? That is what women's group teach and it is certainly what liberals want for the young but is that truly the "right" course for the long term? Is it possible that a short term solution can have a much worse long term penalty? This young lady has taken responsibility for her "choice" to make a baby and to me, that is a lot to be commended for in a world that no longer respects life. Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes. ~ Mahatma Gandhi If you have made mistakes, even serious ones, there is always another chance for you. What we call failure is not the falling down but the staying down. ~ Mary Pickford Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from. ~ Al Franken

Securing the border is a great first step, but the massive illegal crimes are happening in the cities, not the borders. We need to secure the borders and once secured, deport the illegals, that will protect the freedoms of all Americans. It is very hard to fight a war when the liberals have our hands tied behind our backs. Um...... Bender, did you forget that the Federal Governemnt takes a lot of tax money from the States to do things like enforce our borders? If the Federal Government would like to return the tax money they refuse to put to use for protecting Arizona I am sure Arizona would gladly take that tax money and do exactly that. But there is the problem, the State is paying for services and protections the Federal Government is refusing to supply. How about that?

And there is the real problem, while the open border crowd are using delay and blocking tactics like calling everyone racists if they support this law, if they succeed in stoping this who wins? The illegals. Who pays the price? The American taxpayer. And make no mistake, that is exactly how the open border crowd wants it to be. Your right, I will let him off the hook.

There is no loss of freedom to show your ID, but there is a loss of freedom when our tax money goes to support illegals when that same money could be returned to Americans. Consider other factors like the extremely elevated crime rates caused by illegals, if your scared to even walk the streets, is that freedom? Looks like the only freedom people like Bender want is to take it from those who have it and give it to those who don't deserve it.

Obama is now joined with the Mexican president in Washington and both have been bashing Arizona for their attempts to get this problem under control, so I thought the immegration rules in Mexico might be interesting for comparison.

You may as wel give up, liberals are not interested in logic, I stuck Bender in the corner with his own words and that is why he got angry, all liberals want open borders, Bender is as liberal as it gets, he claims to want to send the illegals home but says any attempt to actually identify someone as an illegal is wrong, that is inconsistent. He says punnish employers for hiring illegals but at the same time he does not say how you do that without first identifying a worker as illegal. It must start with identification, as eddo and I said, we are not offended by someone asking for my ID when I vote or get stopped by police, why would anyone else be offended?

Funny as hell watching hugo and Bender give each other kudos and high fives and at the same time pretend to be on different ends of the political spectrum, lol.

Shocking fact:

Exactly, this is why Bender is so pissed off at me, he knows the only way to know "IF" someone is illegal is to directly ask people. He says come down on employers but still you must first establish the worker is illegal before you can charge the employer so at some point, the question must be asked.

lol, as usual all he can do is run away from direct questions, he calles me moron, stupid, etc all the time, but I ask a question he can't answer and he loses his cool, typical liberal.

Your still dancing around the point Bender, why is this question too hard for you to answer? How do you find an employer guilty of hiring illegals if you at the same time can never ask the illegal if they are in fact illegal? Would not establishing the worker as illegal be the first step in that process? If you can't ask the worker any questions, and you can't figure out if the worker is here illegally, you sure as heck can't charge the employer now can you?

Simple... no jobs, no illegals. Come down extremely hard on the people who employ them. So how do you come down on employers for hiring illegals if your not allowed to ask the workers if they are illegal? Again, your dancing all around the point, at some point the illegal has to be asked if he is illegal, you say we cannot ask that question, so nothing can be done.

Not if it involves scrutinizing an American citizens status. If we do not check a person's status, we can never send an illegal home, so in practice you play semantics, you say you want them to go home but you refuse to let anyone have the tools needed to accomplish that goal, so in reality you do not want them sent home. Your just as much an open border supporter as anyone else Bender, you can't say you want them sent home if you at the same time say no possible way of checking status is allowed. Can you give an idea how we can send illegals home without asking them if they are illegal? And your qute is irrelivent, nobody is giving up freedom to show identification. And safety is not as big a concern as we are out of money Bender, in all of this you refuse to understand that we cannot continue to pau for these illegals to be here, we must take actions because we are out of money.