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Interesting you selected this one comment to quote hugo: So you are wanting the government to start controlling what kids see right hugo? As I keep pointing out, you copy/paste a lot of great conservative commentary, but when your using your own words, your almost always very liberal, liberals want Censorship too hugo, your fitting right in with your masters plan, lol.

Would not cracking down on the employers also take new laws? Would not closing the border themselves also cost a lot of money? That said both me and hugo have already said we agree huge penalties should be imposed on anyone who hires illegals but tell me something Bender, how do we impose a fine or jail time if we don't "FIRST" catch the illegal? We have to know where he is working so we can impose the new penalties and that requires people on the ground finding the illegals. Also, I agree that the Federal Government is mostly incompetent in much of what they do, but this is not a problem caused by incompetence, it is an intentional act to keep the borders open. It has almost nothing to do with business, while one group would be unhappy, another group would step up with their support because this is exactly what they needed to prosper. There is a balancing point in business where you hurt one, and that helps someone else. New study shows that Arizona spent over $2.7 billion on supporting illegals in 2009, obviously a problem Arizons needs to deal with

Boy, you make about as much sense as that stupid bitch when she says "IF OBAMA COULD TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY HE WOULD" even though he has EXPANDED gun rights. . . And if you don't think the leadership of the party is involved in the decisions of the party and it's extension with the media your the one who needs to get educated.

Her father's generation also would not let women wear dresses above the knee hugo, want to go back to that time too? Again, your going overboard on a nothing issue, this will not help the pedo problem so why go off the deep end about it? You do know children were targeted for sex by adults a long time ago don't you hugo? Let me educat you a tad my friend, America has molded it's political system very similar to the Roman system and here in America we have a possition called a "page". In modern times our politicians like to chase these young people around but really that is accurate because during Roman times a "page" was a young boy homosexual lover kept by powerful political figures as a kind of status symbol. No hugo, this problem is not caused by dancers on a stage, I wish it were, we could possibly stop some of the bad things if this were true, but the monster is inside their own heads, not created by external forces.

lol, now don't get all personal Bender, I will start asking you to back up your claim Bush lied again and watch you squirm, lol. Why do you think only liberals are against identification at the voting booths? Also, legal mexicans vote for liberals because it is the liberals who are always trying to help the illegals stay and get free welfare, if the liberals went for National security and closing the border, almost all Latin Americans will turn to the Republicans because they are have more in common with the morals and possitions of the conservatives than the liberals. Y^our the moron Bender, of course it is a left vs right thing, it has always been the intention of the liberals to have an open border, only conservatives have been pushing for controlling our Southern border and now that the Failures of the Federal Government has gotten to the point of critical mass, these States have no choice but to try and take some action themselves. This is not a racist move, it is a self preservation move, the State of Arizona can no longer afford paying for the millions of illegals that are draining the system. They have to do something, maybe this idea can be argued to not be perfect, I will admit to that, but doing nothing is worse, if this is enough to get the Federal Government off it;s azz and to actually fix the problem than this is all worth it. Hiding our heads in the sand does not fix the problem Bender.

Yep, to you and all Liberals everywhere your posts are brilliant, lol, of course they give you all your beliefs, but no point in splitting hairs, lol.

Again with the misrepresenting what Sarah Palin said, your saying exactly what the liberals have brainwashed you to say hugo. Sarah never said she was for the bailouts: All Sarah was saying is both sides needed to come together and enact some reforms, all true conservatives agree that "some" changes needed to be made, Sarah never said she agreed with any one plan or idea. Even Newt Gingrich said "something" needed to be done.

No, it comes down to this, your making a mountain out of a molehill and attacking everyone who does not also want to over react to this. Yes, kiddie porn is bad, but this is not kiddie porn, bad taste...sure, not a good thing to be sure, but it's importance in the overall fight against sick piles of sh!t out there who target children for their sexual illness, something liek this does not even show up on the radar of that problem hugo.

Small? Almost all real and reasonable Conservatives love Sarah Palin, the only people who do not like her are liberals and radical groups like yours. Sarah Palin could easily win a Presidential bid against someone like Obama as long as the radicals like you don't poision the water. You guys cost us the last election, and you can do the same thing in the next election if you want to. Wow, just wow, current polls has her way, way above Ron Paul and she has not even declared she will run, Ron paul is the guy who only gets the support of radicals who want America to turn isolationist, everyone else would support Sarah. Hell, most Americans don't even know who Ron Paul is, sure they have heard the name but other than his claim that America is at fault for 9/11, I am sure few bothered to even look at anything else about him after that. I looked deeper just trying to be fair and that is when I uncovered his long set plan to turn America isolationist, then of course there was his newsletter with the racist stuff in it, Ron tried to claim he didn't know about it but the letter went out with his name on it, what idiot would not read every letter when it represents his name before letting it publish? In case you didn't notice, Barry Goldwater is not going to be running for office, neither is Ronald Regan, you need to wake up to the reality that we need to rebuild the conservative base and we do that not by embracing radicals who cannot win but by staying true to conservatives offing support and making more conservatives get involved. When a conservative sees the kind of vitriolic criticism you toss at good people, you turn them off, you turn them away, you hurt the cause you pretend to support.

lol, right, just because he is not directly talking, that does not mean he is not behind it, the media does nothing on their own, the main Networks are completely in the bag for Obama, this thread is about how the media refuses to report on his many mistakes when they went out of their way to report on any single mistake by Bush thousands of times. You are also part of the Obama/Liberal manipulations hugo, they feed your circles with the very attacks you call your own against Sarah Palin, they are working from the inside of your groups maiing you an extension of their party. Libertarians have become a trojan horse, they divide so the Liberals can conquer. In general true, but the way they deal with her is completely different than any other woman or conservative, why? Because she is a threat, they don't spend millions of dollars to go after someone they don't think can hurt them hugo.

The problem with that is the workers hugo. All of the people who would work for those Government agencies are radical liberals and would never intentionally deny a claim for illegal status. There are already rules saying they can't get welfare but the workers already ignore those rules. Schools are the same, when was the last time you ever heard of the teacher's union supporting a conservative? Teachers are almost all way, way left liberals and they will never try to limit access to their schools to only those who are legal. I agree. Big fines too, make it very unlikely any employer will take the chance. But, I also support a guest worker program, let them come work as long as they are paying their taxes and are doing it right. The process must start with them going home though, no amnesty and no fast track to being an American.

Well snaf, it is like the point we made on this before and hugo dodged it, all the States use their National resources to help the public in one way or another. Texas gets a huge amount of money they steal from the oil companies, I posted a very long list of direct taxes the State imposes on the oil companies. That tax revinue is used to fund State functions, functions that each resident would have to pay himself if the State did not tax oil. At the same time Alaska pays way, way more for basic goods and services than people in Texas, so if we were to adjust the scale based on cost of goods, I would bet a considerable amount of money that the average Texan gets more out of the oil money then an average Alaskan resident. Sure, a Texas resident might not get a check, but they do get Government services and lower tax rates on their property etc.... because of the oil taxes, it all balances out. Here in Florida we get tourists, we tax the piss out of them and let them go home while we enjoy the benefits of not having a State income tax.

lol, so she created the socialist system in Canada.......created the welfare programs.......and created the laws in Alaska giving the people possession of the resources..........all by herself, right? Why is it you guys in one hand try to make her sound stupid while at the same time you give her credit for things she had nothing to do with? Even if Sarah or one of her kids accepted a "welfare" like assistence that does not mean she would create or support new laws that would increase welfare. Sarah was one person, the laws giving possession of the States resources to the people were in place long before she ever took office, Sarah had nothing to do with those laws. All Sarah did was follow existing laws, she did not create any new laws handing over the oil to the people, you guys are smarter than this so you must be only pretending to not know the difference. But what I do know is hugo is saying the things Obama and other radical Liberals love to hear. Why attack Sarah? She is not in office, she cannot create policy. But still Obama and company including hugo put massive amounts of time into attacking her, she must be a threat to them and their plans to generate this kind of attention. Here is a little hint for you hugo, if Sarah really was a socialist, Obama and company would not be making her their top priority to attack. She is a threat to them, not a friend, and your putting down the one person that scares them, why would anyone who claims to have conservative beliefs want to protect the liberals from their fear? As I keep pointing out, just about everything you hate is what the liberals hate, your like two peas in a pod getting along great.

Wow, just wow, more of the typical radical socialist blocking moves, call everyone a racist but do nothing to improve the situation. The State is doing what it can, the Federal Government can easily stop most of the illegal problem but they "don't want to". Illegals represent too many liberal votes for the Democrats to act while the Republicans have been successfully intimidated by the Liberals to not act to be politically correct instead of doing what the Nation needs to survive. This law is a symptom of the real problem and that problem is we are not protecting our borders causing hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to be spent supporting the illegals at the State level. There is the "REAL" problem Bender. The responsibility for securing the border and deporting the illegals is on the Federal Government, and when they refuse to do that, it is not the Federal Government who has to pay for that lack, it is the local States who have to pay for the Federal Government's failure. This law is an attempt to stem the flow, I personally do not feel it is enough by far, but it is a beginning. But make no mistake, this was completely avoidable if the Federal Government had done their jobs. This goes back to a point I have made before, we are way beyond the need for action, we do need to act, the question is will the Federal Government continue to dodge their responsibility or will they step up and not leave the States alone to fight this issue themselves? If they leave it to the Sates it will be messy and inconsistent, it will put Americans on the edge and we will most likely see a lot of bad behaviors in the future, all avoidable if the Federal Government steps in and does their job.

lol, nothing like a broken record, you know hugo, not one person here said they wanted their kids to be "wackk off" material, most of us even said that we would like to see certain things changed if our kids were in the show, as well all keep pointing out to you, the sicko people who want to get off on little kids can find all they want and more everywhere, this video is not even on their radar. Your going off the deep end, as usual. You can't blame it on me because your the guy who started calling snaff a pedo before I was even posting, this was from inside of you hugo, you wanted to strike out at snaf, that is why you did it. You wanted to punnish him, me, even emkay for not bowing down to you and your possition, and here it is again, you post a flame on all people calling them "scum" just because everyone except you is a normal human being and can find possitions somewhere between not caring and out of control madman. I save my severe concerns for severe issues and events, running around like a chicken with his head cut off on a very minor issue is just wasting time and energy that can be better spent working on real problems. There you go, a difference of scale, your screaming about something way, way, way down on the scale while there are much higher things on the scale to be dealt with. Other people having a problem with or without a softball game is not really the issue you were trying to make hugo, you said you were against "wack off" material and what you don't seem to understand is that "EVERYTHING" is wackoff material on that level, they are sick, playing softball or dancing in bad outfits is the same thing to them. If they want to see kids in little clothing they just hang out at the beach, it is easy for them to get what they want hugo, your not seeing the bigger truth out of your need to attack with blind fury.

Agreed

She did not change the law hugo, she renegotiated the value of property belonging to the people based on State law, there is a huge difference and your being unwilling to admit that proves your just an Obama administration parrot. I have a wonderful girlfriend hugo, why would I want her to screw me? Wait a minute, that is on the Obama talking points as well, your ordered to tell any man who likes Sarah Palin that he just wants to have sex with her, good to see your following Obama's orders and talking points to the letter Hugo, I knew you had it in you, lol.

OMG, that was almost as good as the plagiarism claim that backfired, lol.........

So she passed the law making the oil the property of the people hugo? Or did she instead only enforce a law? Big, big difference hugo, but your not allowing for that difference, your just spouting whatever the Obama administration tells you to say.

I don't know snaf, it is pretty well known that Sarah was just following State law, hugo may be radical but he is not stupid, no, the more I watch how hugo operates I am starting to see a pattern that he just wants to disrupt any discussion that goes against liberal beliefs, consider that hugo is always right there attacking law enforcement, defending abortion, and now he is even trying to derail a thread that proves Obama is at least as bad as Bush in speaking without a teleprompter............. Why Sarah Palin, and why now? Because that seems to always work to take attention away from Hugo's buddy Obama. Start paying attention to what hugo decided to get explosive about, more often than not it is him defending something the liberals hold dear or defend like Ron Paul, the liberals love Ron Paul, if they love him, that alone should make us all run away from him, but there is hugo, cuddled up in their world parroting their talking points against the hated Sarah Palin. Anyway, back on topic, being as Obama does not allow unrehersed exposures like Bush and Clinton did, that tells me he is scared of his ability to speak, unlike Bush and Clinton who were very comfortable with who they were and what they said, sure Bush knew he messed up sometimes but he did not let that reality cause him to shelter and protect himself from making mistakes like Obama does. Obama is the most self-protective and secretive President we have ever had in recent times.

lol, "forbid"? Any woman who would let a man "forbid" them from wearing a sweater is not a woman I could love, lol. BS hugo. I have never done anything close to this, even when I used to be big on giving back as good as I get I never attacked anyone's mother hugo, your trying to compare a hand grenade to a nuclear bomb, sure both go bang but the scale is so far apart that there really is no reasonable comparison that a person can make between the two. There is something truly sick about a guy who attackes my dead mother, twice now hugo, you can't justify that in any way hugo.

And I agree hugo, but it is when you turn to radical stuff that you lose most reasonable people. You just admitted that even playgrounds are easy places for these sick people to get their jollkies so why are so out of wack on a dance video? Nobody said the dance was "good" just not as bad as your trying to make it seem, but you can't accept that can you hugo? You can't believe that we can all agree that it was in bad taste but not believe someone should be killed over it can you? All or nothing hugo? Either everyone agrees 100% with you or they are a pedo? Really? Even my mother is a pedophile because I don't see this as being the degree of bad you think it is?

From the Obama administration to your mouth, funny as hell. So now I am racist because I don't like Obama hugo? You keep talking about Sarah Palin being socialist but you can't offer one single thing she has ever done that was socialist, your one and only claim is the oil deal she followed State law to do, Sarah certainly did not create those laws hugo, do you thing leaders shoudl ignore the established laws of the land......well.......being as your so supportive of Obama and how Obama has reqected the laws of the land I guess maybe you do believe that, but just because you want to twist reality that does not make your twisted vistion the truth. Sarah Palin is a much stronger conservative than Rubio and Rubio is not even known on the National Stage. This is your biggest problem, if you were "really" concerned with getting conservatives into office you would not be supporting nobodies and radicals who could not get more than 5% of the vote. It seems more and more clear that your only intent is to be a disruptive element to hurt conservatives and help Liberals.

Well said sir, I went to the opening night of Ironman 2 and me and Tami made a game of counting how many girls were showing off a lot of "goodies" where it is well known to all girls that theaters are very cold, Tami even takes a sweater when we go to a movie. We stopped counting at 64 and just agreed that girls seems more interested in showing off their stuff than being warm, lol.

lol, well he is even on my mother now so I guess there is no limit to how low hugo will go to feed his needs, now he is even trying to say it is my fault he is acting so poorly when we all know I have never done anything close to what he is doing. Hugo your responsible for yourself, stop trying to blame me and take responsibility for your own actions. You turn to personal attacks like the one you just made on my mother because you feel weak and you should because you are weak, the only decent arguements you have ever offered are copy/pasted from other people, when your speaking on your own your nasty, and rude and generally always on the side of liberals.