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Do you equate sinner with hypocrite? Are those two words the same? Did Jesus use them interchangebly or did each have a specific and seperate meaning?
All Hypocrites, are sinners.
All sinners, are not hypocrites.
If I break into your house and steal from you, I have committed sin but not hypocrisy. Correct?
What does the bible say will happen to those who practice hypocrisy, which is what construes a hypocrite?
Are we all hypocrites Aery? Eddo?
All Hypocrites, are sinners.
All sinners, are not hypocrites.
If I break into your house and steal from you, I have committed sin but not hypocrisy. Correct?
What does the bible say will happen to those who practice hypocrisy, which is what construes a hypocrite?
Are we all hypocrites Aery? Eddo?
That's because a hypocrite is a hypocrite is a hypocrite. The argument is whether or not we are all hypocrites and will be weeping and gnashing our teeth as eddo and Aery said.
Are we, or are we not all hypocrites, except for Jesus?
If you say we are, as you already did, then the bible is quite specific of our fate. Is it not?
Wez, have you ever heard the expression, 'If you can't grasp this concept then there is nothing I can do to help you?'
It seems fitting.
Did you read anything I asked? Why can't you answer and clarify it for me in your words? You've studied the bible much more than I.. Why do you insult me and clarify nothing?
I can grasp and understand anything..
Phantom
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I'm not insulting you, Hon. What I am doing is actually very Biblical. When it comes to pedantic questions, we are given the Biblical reason why this happens and are told to walk away. No insult to you whatsoever. You're my buddy.
You really need to watch the video when you get a chance. It ties into what I said before about 'not knowing the Father nor I' and what makes the difference.
You really need to watch the video when you get a chance. It ties into what I said before about 'not knowing the Father nor I' and what makes the difference.
Apparently you missed these... Your only comment was an indication that I am not as capable as you as understanding what is written.. yet you refuse to explain it?
Do you equate sinner with hypocrite? Are those two words the same? Did Jesus use them interchangebly or did each have a specific and seperate meaning?
All Hypocrites, are sinners.
All sinners, are not hypocrites.
If I break into your house and steal from you, I have committed sin but not hypocrisy. Correct?
What does the bible say will happen to those who practice hypocrisy, which is what construes a hypocrite?
Are we all hypocrites Aery? Eddo?
Do you equate sinner with hypocrite? Are those two words the same? Did Jesus use them interchangebly or did each have a specific and seperate meaning?
All Hypocrites, are sinners.
All sinners, are not hypocrites.
If I break into your house and steal from you, I have committed sin but not hypocrisy. Correct?
What does the bible say will happen to those who practice hypocrisy, which is what construes a hypocrite?
Are we all hypocrites Aery? Eddo?
Not suggesting you have a complete, well adjusted grasp on something that I am incapable of grasping?
Not an insult?
You find something I said condesending? So speak to me in a condesending manner? What would that be?
Or a convienient escape? Do fine details not deserve observation?
Doesn't seem to Christianly to me.. but what do I know.. I didn't go to church. I take everything I think about as far as I possibly can.. The details are where the fruit is.. I don't stop at comfortable. Or "walk away".. according to someone who doesn't want me to look any deeper.. Seems the opposite of Christ to me.
Phantom
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Wez, your question has been answered numerous times how we are all hypocrites.
Your question has also been answered about the difference between this situation and religious hypocrites (Pharisee-like behavior or acknowledging Him with our lips but not with our hearts).
And, no, it is not an escape. We are told there will be those who cannot grasp the wisdom of the spirit. Yes, it is Christian and biblical. We are told when they try to comprehend the language of the spirit and the Bible, that it will be like a person reading a language that is foreign to them. That is coming from ***-Breathed scripture- not me. If I was to not acknowledge this fact, I would be a hypocrite.
The pedantic issue comes in when it is clear you have been answered many times, ask the same questions, receive the answer again, ask the same question, dwell on issues that do not exist or have already been explained, and create contradictions that do not exist.
That is exactly why I said previously I do not want to get involved in this debate. I'm sorry you are not able to grasp the concept that there is hypocrisy in us all and that Jesus' issue lies in religious hypocrites.
Your question has also been answered about the difference between this situation and religious hypocrites (Pharisee-like behavior or acknowledging Him with our lips but not with our hearts).
And, no, it is not an escape. We are told there will be those who cannot grasp the wisdom of the spirit. Yes, it is Christian and biblical. We are told when they try to comprehend the language of the spirit and the Bible, that it will be like a person reading a language that is foreign to them. That is coming from ***-Breathed scripture- not me. If I was to not acknowledge this fact, I would be a hypocrite.
The pedantic issue comes in when it is clear you have been answered many times, ask the same questions, receive the answer again, ask the same question, dwell on issues that do not exist or have already been explained, and create contradictions that do not exist.
That is exactly why I said previously I do not want to get involved in this debate. I'm sorry you are not able to grasp the concept that there is hypocrisy in us all and that Jesus' issue lies in religious hypocrites.
Wez, your question has been answered numerous times how we are all hypocrites.
Your question has also been answered about the difference between this situation and religious hypocrites (Pharisee-like behavior or acknowledging Him with our lips but not with our hearts).
And, no, it is not an escape. We are told there will be those who cannot grasp the wisdom of the spirit. Yes, it is Christian and biblical. We are told when they try to comprehend the language of the spirit and the Bible, that it will be like a person reading a language that is foreign to them. That is coming from ***-Breathed scripture- not me. If I was to not acknowledge this fact, I would be a hypocrite.
The pedantic issue comes in when it is clear you have been answered many times, ask the same questions, receive the answer again, ask the same question, dwell on issues that do not exist or have already been explained, and create contradictions that do not exist.
That is exactly why I said previously I do not want to get involved in this debate. I'm sorry you are not able to grasp the concept that there is hypocrisy in us all and that Jesus' issue lies in religious hypocrites.
What construes a religious hypocrite, from your everyday average hypocrite?
eddo
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as a final attempt to help get at least everyone on the same page, I think wez's definition of the word "hypocrite" is very different than mine, and quite possibly Phantom's and Snafu's.
I don't mean to appear nit-picky, but I think differing views on what this word means and represents is a major stumbling block in this discussion.
Another:
A bit further into the original language show us the word "hypokritēs"
A hypocrite is someone who puts on a show to make themselves look better than they are. Notice how none of the definitions say anything about "Judging others for what you in fact are."
I don't mean to appear nit-picky, but I think differing views on what this word means and represents is a major stumbling block in this discussion.
Phantom
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Yes. Remember the passage in Revelation where Jesus actually has a preference for those who openly deny Him over the lukewarm religious hypocrites who only pretend to love and serve Him. He actually tells the lukewarm that He would prefer them to be hot or cold. Even cold towards Him over a religious hypocrite. And that such people will be spewed from His mouth. That is a huge sign that His problem is with religious hypocrites.
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