Do atheists know more about Christianity than Christians?

[timesjoke]

Weird..I don't believe to be the most powerful thing in the universe...not by a long shot. I just don't believe in that. I think there has to be something else...I just don't believe it's something we can comprehend yet. The fact that everyone follows something without any knowledge, makes me suspicious is all.

Again, no matter how much I try to educate you on why your missing the point, you just seem to be intentionally ignoring the key that faith has nothign to do with following something without any knowledge. You have the knowledge of how you "FEEL" that has you looking for more, looking for other expressions of faith just like you might congregate with other people who share your love of art.

Religion seems too commercial..

In many ways it is, I can agree with that to a certain degree, but art is also very commercial in many ways, does the commercial element mean there are no true artists? You can't blame *** and faith for the weakness of man.

and TJ said people can just change it to fit their life and make it mean whatever. That in itself makes it seem less special to me shrugs .

I did?

Where did I ever say that?

Your putting words in my mouth again to give you an excuse to talk ****, you need to stop that garbage and pay attention.

Do you think worshiping *** can only be done at the permission of a specific religion Emkay? Is that waht all this is all about? You trying to force all people of faith into a tidy definition to make you feel better about rejecting ***? Well I am not going to sit here and let you tel lie after lie just to make yourself feel better.

Faith does not change, you either feel faith or you do not. Religion is an expression of faith, and many people spend years looking at a lot of different religions trying to find a place that fits their feelings.

If I felt someone tapping me on the shoulder..depending where I was and the time..*** may get kicked in the *****..dammit...maybe that's why I'm an atheist? I missed the call... weeping .

You didn't miss the call, your hearing it right now, you are talking about believing there is "something else" but at the same time, your fighting against your deep seated bias against religions so once you can let go of your bias, I believe you will find your faith.

Religion is something different, expression of your faith is a purely personal exercise, and each of us may seem similar in where we attent church or who we gather with for study, but at the end of the day, faith is between one person, and his/her ***. No church, no religious text, no ritual behavior can change that.

 

[eddo]

If I felt someone tapping me on the shoulder..depending where I was and the time..*** may get kicked in the *****..dammit...maybe that's why I'm an atheist? I missed the call... weeping .

lol, I walked up behind one of the girls in my group last night and scared her by burping real loud in her ear and almost got kicked in the *****... Got my upper leg cause I dodged...

 

[emkay64]

If I felt someone tapping me on the shoulder..depending where I was and the time..*** may get kicked in the *****..dammit...maybe that's why I'm an atheist? I missed the call... weeping .

lol, I walked up behind one of the girls in my group last night and scared her by burping real loud in her ear and almost got kicked in the *****... Got my upper leg cause I dodged...

Awww...lmao..actually...once when I was in University it was night and I was heading to my car..this guy was walking a little close behind...I turned around and he shielded his nuts..he says "I'm sorry...it was really stupid to follow so closely at night"...it was pretty funny..but he came awfully close and he knew it

 

[emkay64]

Do you think worshiping *** can only be done at the permission of a specific religion Emkay? Is that waht all this is all about? You trying to force all people of faith into a tidy definition to make you feel better about rejecting ***? Well I am not going to sit here and let you tel lie after lie just to make yourself feel better.

I'm not rejecting ***. I just believe that it's something else entirely than a man made notion. Look who is attacking..geeze.

 

[phreakwars]

Of course he is upset, every Atheist acts this hateful to religion because deep down inside, they know they are wrong.

I have no problem at all with Christianity. It's the Christians I don't like. And, I'm NOT an atheist.

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[ImWithStupid]

Nope, I stand by my last statement. The more people educate themselves about religion, the more they know how full of sh t it is.

Just ask former Catholic priest Ray Fontaine:

http://www.deism.com...atures-***.net/

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I find it quite confusing that you make this statement. Catholic priests know more about the other major religions than you, me or most people. It's part of their education.

You have stated in the past that some of your best conversations on religion were with a local priest. By your claim, he would have told you how full of sh t religion was.

I find it hard to believe that was the case.

 

[phreakwars]

By your claim, he would have told you how full of sh t religion was.

The local guy is the Reverend... and let's just say, "praise the rev" for having a straight theology (which is what he taught) conversation with me, instead of a religious one involving "***'s will".

It's too bad more followers of Christianity don't listen. They might learn something, and much like Catholic priest Ray Fontaine, decide enough of this religious **** already, time to keep it real.

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[builder]

By your claim, he would have told you how full of sh t religion was.

The local guy is the Reverend... and let's just say, "praise the rev" for having a straight theology (which is what he taught) conversation with me, instead of a religious one involving "***'s will".

It's too bad more followers of Christianity don't listen. They might learn something, and much like Catholic priest Ray Fontaine, decide enough of this religious sh t already, time to keep it real.

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Love the concept, but that would leave all those wannabes grasping for straws.

How could they possibly maintain that facade, without the backing of some belief system?

What would be the point of their existence? If not to worship and obey?

 

[phreakwars]

I'm not sure who it is they are obeying, but it sure isn't the guy in the bible.

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[jokersarewild]

Or maybe there is no ***, and humans just created religion to give credence to the laws they wished people to follow to keep society together and not raping/murdering each other. Then followed said laws up with "If you don't follow these, an Invisible Man who is Perfect will see that you're a 'sinner' (aka, someone who didn't follow the laws said humans laid down) and banish you to a place that will punish you in ways I determine (hellfire, brimstone, flayed skin, etc)." Then some people were a little too hardcore about it.

 

[timesjoke]

I'm not rejecting ***. I just believe that it's something else entirely than a man made notion. Look who is attacking..geeze.

And that is what I am trying to tell you.....that *** is found inside your soul, not from any book or other people. You keep trying to claim that faith is defined by knowledge of a set religion and my point is that a person can be filled with faith and a belief in *** without ever seeing a Bible in their life and certainly do not need to know specific elements of an individual religion.

There is no command from *** to form specific religions, religions are creations of man, not ***.

This is why I keep saying that no matter how much an Atheist has studied various religions there is no way he can understand Faith, and faith is the required element of following a religion. Without faith, religion can never make sense to anyone.

My example of faith being like the 3-D glasses is the simplest. You have to look at religion using the glasses of faith to see what the religious follower sees, without the "faith glasses" you see things that are difficult to understand and look strange.

Let me give another example:

Let's say a guy spends his entire life as a virgin and goes to college to be a doctor. He spends years in school learning all about the body and how it works to include everything about the female anatomy. Not one time has he lived with a woman or even had *** with a woman but he has extensive knowledge of the way women are put together and their female functions on a scientific level.

The man knows more about a woman's body than 99% of women know about their bodies.........so based on his extensive scientific knowledge, is it reasonable to say that this man knows more about women than women do?

Is the surface and biology of a woman all that is required to "know" what it is to be a woman?

 

[emkay64]

Men have been deciding what women should do with their bodies for a long time now. Apparently they don't need to know anything in order to make said decisions. So to answer your question: at this time "yes" surface knowledge or none at all..is required.

 

[timesjoke]

Men have been deciding what women should do with their bodies for a long time now. Apparently they don't need to know anything in order to make said decisions. So to answer your question: at this time "yes" surface knowledge or none at all..is required.

If anything, your predictable, I knew you would rather punt than admit I was right and had finally produced an example you could not possibly refute.

Men have tried to control women, this much is true, but most of the time it is the men who are still controlled themselves because men cannot measure up to the guile of a woman. But my question was not about control emkay and you know it. Even if men did control women that does not mean they know everything there is to know about women and that is my point as it relates to this discussion about Atheists "supposedly knowing" more about Christianity than Christians.

The man in my example knows everything there is to know about the parts that make up a woman, so is that all a woman is? Is being a woman clearly defined by her parts or is she more than that?

Does it take more than a knowledge of her anatomy to understand a woman?

Do you think being a woman is easily defined in a book and shared/understood by any man who takes the time to read and memorize the book?

 

[emkay64]

sigh ...As a woman...living as a woman I understand how the body works as a woman and most of what it entails to be a woman. A man does NOT have to live as a woman therefore he doesn't need to understand it completely. If I was going to live my life as a "Christian", I would aim to know all I could about something I'm dedicating my life to. The people in the study didn't even know what the wine symbolized and were drinking it nonetheless. Geeze..if I was symbolically partaking in a ritual I would for **** sure understand what the **** it was I was doing. Anyways..we agree to disagree. I feel knowledge is understanding, and that some sort of unification or commonality was present in religion. Apparently for you it isn't..it's just a feeling that can be shaped to fit however you want it to. So whatever..guess we're done here.

 

[builder]

I'm not sure who it is they are obeying, but it sure isn't the guy in the bible.

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Who would you suggest it is that they are obeying, Phreakwars?

There ultra-egos? There inner yang, perhaps?

Genuflecting to the east?

Oh, but you gotta have faith, right?

Faith in something rather intangible.

Something that you can never get to feel, taste, smell, or even smack?

Unless, of course, you keep praying, believing, genuflecting, and postulating until the day you die. Then, of course, there is no way to go back and tell anyone what a marvelous reward your life of sacrifice has granted you.

Seventy odd virgins ring any bells?

I'd take the virgins over a life at the feet of some vengeance-besotted Lord.

Drowned the whole earth to get rid of everyone that wasn't "worthy". Managed to keep the cockroaches, mosquitos, spiders and snakes on board.

Brilliant.

 

[timesjoke]

sigh ...As a woman...living as a woman I understand how the body works as a woman and most of what it entails to be a woman. A man does NOT have to live as a woman therefore he doesn't need to understand it completely. If I was going to live my life as a "Christian", I would aim to know all I could about something I'm dedicating my life to. The people in the study didn't even know what the wine symbolized and were drinking it nonetheless. Geeze..if I was symbolically partaking in a ritual I would for **** sure understand what the **** it was I was doing. Anyways..we agree to disagree. I feel knowledge is understanding, and that some sort of unification or commonality was present in religion. Apparently for you it isn't..it's just a feeling that can be shaped to fit however you want it to. So whatever..guess we're done here.

Again, your more interested in not wanting to admit I finally proved my point in a way you can't refute it then having a honest debate.

Either all the understanding of being a woman is based on the scientific breakdown of her body or it is not. It really is a simple concept and it offers a greater understanding of how difficult it is to explain faith to those who don't possess faith. An atheist trying to understand faith is like a man trying to understand a woman, it will never happen.

All I am saying is faith does not come frome religion, religion comes from man and there is no connection to salvation and any specific division of religion emkay.

What your trying to do is make faith a condition created from a book or specific religion, and that is why your wrong. Salvation has always been available to all men reguardless of their ability to read a Bible or attend a church. Stop confusing religion with faith, faith comes only from within and ***, religion comes from man, not ***.

 

[builder]

Stop confusing religion with faith, faith comes only from within and ***, religion comes from man, not ***.

So *** has nothing to do with faith? And faith has nothing to do with ***?

Don't pass "go", don't collect two hundred monopoly dollars. Go straight to purgatory, and we'll visit you at our leisure. Just to poke sticks at you as an exhibit of what really happened to pre-renaissance Europe.

 

[emkay64]

So *** has nothing to do with faith? And faith has nothing to do with ***?

Apparently so? scratches head in bewilderment .

 

[timesjoke]

So *** has nothing to do with faith? And faith has nothing to do with ***?

Apparently so? scratches head in bewilderment .

Again, you guys have to lie to try and get out of the point. I never said *** had nothing to do with faith, I said *** had nothing to do with the creation of individual religions. Religions are a creation of man in his attempt to worship and understand ***. There has never been a command from *** to form any specific religion and most certainly has never created a name for it.

Faith comes directly from *** and not from any book or church. It is a feeling inside you, a connection you feel through your soul, not from someone else or from any religious tool or textbook.

You do not need the ability to read or attend a church to be saved.

 

[builder]

So *** has nothing to do with faith? And faith has nothing to do with ***?

Apparently so? scratches head in bewilderment .

Em, if he don't know by now where to put his commas, I'm not gonna show him.

Are you gonna? :blink: