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Jhony5[ I posted a link to pictures that undoubtedly show Boeing 757 aircraft fragments all over in plain sight said:747[/SIZE].
Although the outside of the plane may burn, the inside fram is virtually indestructable.
I want to see it.
Show me a photo.
Its goes much farther then the pictures you have supplied to support your argument, pal.What a lame-arsed ****ing photo. Looks like something out of an old MASH rerun. What the **** is that supposed to prove, you ****ing idiot? An arrow pointing to a roof? Where the **** is that pic supposed to be from?
You obviously need some education in aircraft frame construction.Although the outside of the plane may burn, the inside fram is virtually indestructible.
uhh.. no its not.Buddy, IT'S A ****ING 747.
There is no requirement for this. Three holes would not necessarily be present. Your assuming this on your own accord.**** you idiot. Show me three holes where two six ton engines entered the Pentagon each side of the fuselage
At least your keeping a cool head. Lets both try and return to being civil. I apologies for the 'tinhat' comments.**** you idiot
Hamza123 said:What? A few craps? A rim?
Buddy, IT'S A ****ING 747.
Although the outside of the plane may burn, the inside fram is virtually indestructable.
I want to see it.
Show me a photo.
Jhony5 said:Its goes much farther then the pictures you have supplied to support your argument, pal.
Jhony5 said:Posted by builder:
There is no requirement for this. Three holes would not necessarily be present. Your assuming this on your own accord.
Jhony5 said:At least your keeping a cool head. Lets both try and return to being civil. I apologies for the 'tinhat' comments.
Okay I'll give you that one. It was a pretty lame pic. The others showing the titamium wheels and such are much better. But they didnt' take the pic's in someones back yard.builder said:Oh, ****. you asked me to respond to your lame-arsed ****ing photo, snatchfood, and I did. That's not even the ****ing Pentagon in that pic. Is that a packing yard in Wisconsin?
snafu said:Okay I'll give you that one. It was a pretty lame pic. The others showing the titamium wheels and such are much better. But they didnt' take the pic's in someones back yard.
After all how many back yards are littered with boeing 747 parts.
Jhony5 said:"I want it 9/11 TO SEEM like an Islamic terrorist attack". My god thats horrible. You've got to be kidding me right? Why do Americans have disdain for Muslims in general.
Jhony5 said:I can't believe you will follow your twisted faith so ****ing blindly
Jhony5 said:that you are prepared to make such egregious accusations with no basis whatsoever. Just double talking hearsay bullshit spewing from your keyboard.
Jhony5 said:I posted a link to pictures that undoubtedly show Boeing 757 aircraft fragments all over in plain sight, and you don't have the balls to even address it.
You didn't even try to dispute it. Why? Because you can't, thats why.
Jhony5 said:God dam your easy to unravel. I was clowin on ya jerkass.
Jhony5 said:What "conclusions" did I jump to? Why is it irrational for me to think and claim that flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon? How in the **** does that qualify for the description of "jumping to conclusions". With all the mountains of real tangible evidence (AND DON'T ****ING ASK WHAT EVIDENCE, I PROVIDED ASS-TONS OF IT), its somehow irrational for me to believe that what was reported to have occurred, actually did. You act like somehow I'm so transfixed on my glorious leaders propaganda, that I can't make a simple judgment on my own accord. I don't believe what I do because George Bush told me to, I believe it because there is not one reason why I shouldn't.
Jhony5 said:Maybe because I'm not blinded by faith.
Jhony5 said:Flat out, Hamza, you say you believe the Pentagon was destroyed by the Bush administration because you want to believe this. It fits your agenda. Never mind that its all fantasy with no basis.
Jhony5 said:You can't because you know I would rip you apart for even trying to argue it.
Jhony5 said:If you want to stare at one zoomed in picture of a 13 foot diameter hole and scratch your head asking "where is the plane then, huh", well keep doing so.
On November 22nd, 2004, a private jet en route to Houston to pick up George Bush Senior clipped a single light pole and crashed a minute away from landing at Houston's Hobby Airport.
http://www.billingsgazette.com/newdex.php?display=rednews/2004/11/22/build/nation/64-jet-crash_v.inc
The wing ripped off upon impact, scattering debris over 100 yards.
And yet, Flight 77 managed to tear 5 light poles completely out of the ground, without damaging either the wings or light poles themselves. Instead, they seem to have just popped out of the ground.
Fourth, why is there absolutely no trace of Flight 77?
Cnn's Jamie McIntyre was reporting live from the Pentagon, and describes exactly how much of the plane is left...
http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/video.html
At Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md., 20 miles west of Washington, flight instructor Sheri Baxter instantly recognized the name of alleged hijacker Hani Hanjour when the FBI released a list of 19 suspects in the four hijackings. Hanjour, the only suspect on Flight 77 the FBI listed as a pilot, had come to the airport one month earlier seeking to rent a small plane.
However, when Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.
In the spring of 2000, Hanjour had asked to enroll in the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz., for advanced training, said the center's attorney, Gerald Chilton Jr. Hanjour had attended the school for three months in late 1996 and again in December 1997 but never finished coursework for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft, Chilton said.
When Hanjour reapplied to the center last year, "We declined to provide training to him because we didn't think he was a good enough student when he was there in 1996 and 1997" Chilton said.
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On December 12, 2000, [Nawaf al Hazmi and Hani Hanjour] were settling in Mesa, Arizona, and Hanjour was ready to brush up on his flight training [Brush up? He could barely fly a Cessna]. By early 2001, he was using a Boeing 737 simulator. Because his performance struck his flight instructors as sub-standard, they discouraged Hanjour from continuing, but he persisted.
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The FBI has determined that some of the [9/11] terrorists bought life-size training posters of the inside of Boeing ****pits from a flying shop in Ohio. The posters - priced at $39.95 - show the exact locations of controls and detail the view the pilots would have from the Boeing 767s. Pilots use the posters for training. [Guardian]
At a speed of about 500 miles an hour, the plane was headed straight for what is known as P-56, protected air space 56, which covers the White House and the Capitol.
"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe." [NATCA]
But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot [Hanjour] executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. The plane circled 270 degrees to the right to approach the Pentagon from the west, whereupon Flight 77 fell below radar level, vanishing from controllers' screens, the sources said.
Less than an hour after two other jets demolished the World Trade Center in Manhattan, Flight 77 carved a hole in the nation's defense headquarters, a hole five stories high and 200 feet wide.
Aviation sources said the plane was flown with extraordinary skill, making it highly likely that a trained pilot was at the helm, possibly one of the hijackers. Someone even knew how to turn off the transponder, a move that is considerably less than obvious. [Washington Post]
FBI Withholding 84 More Tapes of Pentagon on 9/11
Magically Only 1 shows impact so why not release the rest?
Steve Watson / Infowars | May 17 2006
The FBI is withholding at least another 84 surveillance tapes that were seized in the immediate aftermath of the attack on the Pentagon.
There is an ongoing lawsuit to get these tapes released via the Freedom of Information Act. The FBI has admitted in a statement to attorney, Scott Hodes, representative of Mr Scott Bingham who runs the website http://www.flight77.info/, that they have these tapes, that they have already analyzed them and are still keeping them under lock and key.
A great deal of speculation has surrounded reports that on the morning of september 11th, 2001 the FBI visited two private businesses near the pentagon and confiscated several security camera video tapes.
The first is said to be the Cigto gas station with several security cameras aimed in the direction of the pentagon. Flight 77 flew directly over the gas station at an altitude of roughly 50 feet, less than 3 seconds from impact.
Three months after 9/11 The National Geographic and others reported on this, publishing short interviews with the gas station owner, Jose Velasquez.
"His gas station, open only to Department of Defense personnel, is the last structure between the Pentagon and the hillside that, hours later, would become a wailing knoll. "By the time I got outside all I could see was a giant cloud of smoke, first white then black, coming from the Pentagon," he said. "It was just a terrible, terrible thing to be so close to."
"Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film."
The second business was initially believed to be the Sheraton National Hotel which overlooks I395 and the Pentagon. Initial reports pointed out that hotel staff had sat watching the video surveillance in horror before the FBI arrived and shut down the scene.
However, according to FBI statements in response to the FOIA request from Mr Bingham, The hotel in question was not the Sheraton but was in fact the Doubletree in Arlington, VA. AND this video did not capture the impact of the flight. (Maguire, page 7)
According to the same document, the Citgo gas station video DOES NOT show flight 77 impacting the pentagon either. (Maguire, page 6, item 15)
If this is the case then why did the FBI confiscate the gas station and hotel security videos within minutes of the crash and why haven't they subsequently released these videos?
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According to a CNN FOIA request however, the nearby hotel's video DID capture the impact. The following exchange is from a CNN transcript of a report on the 2002 release of the original four frames of Pentagon footage:
MCINTYRE (on camera): These pictures are the first to be made public, but they are not the only images of the plane hitting the Pentagon. Sources tell CNN that the FBI on September 11th confiscated a nearby hotel's security camera videotape, which also captured the attack. So far, the Justice Department has refused to release that videotape. Aaron.
BROWN: Why? Do we have any idea why they won't release it?
MCINTYRE: Well, the claim - we have filed a freedom of information request for it. They claim that it might provide some intelligence to somebody else who might want to do harm to the United States. But officials I talked to here at the Pentagon say they don't see any national security or criminal value to that tape. The FBI tends to hold on to things. But the government may eventually release that tape, and if they do, we'll bring it to you.
BROWN: Jamie, thanks. I must have missed something in how, where the intelligence possibilities are there, but that happens with me sometimes. Thank you for your work today, nice job.
Whichever story you believe, whether the footage does or does not show the impact, the fact that the footage exists is not denied. So something does not tally up here. Both FOIA requests were denied yet we have one FOIA request denial saying the footage does not show the impact, yet a second FOIA request denial saying it does show the impact.
HERE IS THE DOCUMENT BIATCH!
http://www.infowars.net/pictures/may2006/170506FOIA.jpg
builder said:Holy ****, Hammy. Calm the **** down.
Repugs love nothing better than gettin you all worked up.
Chill, mother****er.
Hamza123 said:Sall good. They want a debate they can have one...
Hamza123 said:They want to get under my skin. Well they've done a great job. As for making me angry? No. It just makes me do more research and realise how gullible some ****ers can be.
builder said:Good for you. Researching is what these tryhard rightard apologists should have been doing from the start. Trouble is, there are no good alternatives to the shrubber. The hidden control mechanism, meaning the ****ing Carlyle group of ex-****wit money men, won't let a reasonable man manage the country for them. Only ****wit dunces allowed.
Hamza123 said:HOLY **** I KNOW!!
They'd rather have a person elected that has a GMC Pickup than Rationality.
Check the shout box. I hope snafu understands how vunerable images are now.
hugo said:Think I will have a beer. Glad I ain't a stupid plane crashing, no alcohol drinking Muslim.
Dose your mother know you talk like this?Hamza123 said:You're an alcohol drinking, Bush-head-giving, mother****er.
Hamza123 said:You're an alcohol drinking, Bush-head-giving, mother****er.
Exactly. There is no photographic evidence supporting your outrageous claims.What pictures?
First of all, I have already explained clearly why there aren't three distinct holes in the structure. These three holes you claim must be present if a 757 hit the building are:I'm positing an undeniable physical fact, and you are avoiding it like the plague.. Nothing unusual in that. You know I'm right, so you change tack, and try elsewhere.
Whats so odd about that? If a child is kidnapped from a parking lot, the FBI will confiscate all video from any camera that may have recorded it the general direction of the crime. What does it matter anyway? If they released a video showing clearly in high definition, flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon, you tinhat wearing shut-in America bashing ingrates would just claim the video was doctored anyway. There is no silencing a nut job. Facts to the contrary are just a deeper part of the conspiracy, huh?Honestly? The FBI have apparently seized a video of what really happened to the pentagon that day. Just show it to the public and silence all of us.
Ya see, I'm fine with Muslims till I hear them inevitably say some ****tard **** like this. WTF Hamza? How is the media "portraying Muslims as evil" by reporting on terrorist deeds? I saw a report about a child molester a week ago, and I didn't feel as if the media was trying to portray white people as pedophiles. I saw a report about a Canadian dude that shot up his college. I didn't get the feeling that the media was portraying Canadians as violent. Muslims are responsible for 9/11, not George Bush. If you don't like that its to bad. Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "nanananananananana...i cant hear you ...nananananna" doesn't prove your point, bud.Because you're mainstream media is just a branch of your ****ed up government.
It wants to portray Muslims as evil for their own agenda, and thats war. And when war is profitable, you will see war.
Don't 'cha mean Ramadan and IED?I celebrate Ramadan and Eid.
I'm not. Your telling all of us. Your pseudo-patriotic support of Muslims who kill innocent people, tells me everything I need know about you. When you start believing some ridiculous and 100% unfounded conspiracy theory, the size of which would be unimaginable, it goes far to show blind following. Thats what the word "blind" means. To not see. And that is what you have chosen to do here, not see the facts so you can continue to hold onto your fantasy.You don't tell me what I follow and how I follow it.
Something tells me thats gonna be real easy for me to do. Considering I have mountains and stacks and piles of photos, eyewitness reports, physics studies, engineering diagramming, disaster engineering summaries, live video, audio recordings, expert investigations, and common sense to prove my case. What you got on yours? ohhhhhhh...............You hate America. Well thats....uhhh...wow thats some evidence you got there pal. Intriguing to say the least.you also like to frame Muslims for 9/11.
HERE IT IS AGAIN!!!You're so easy to unravel for Bush. You mine'as well just sell your soul to him and dig a few holes.
...and here it is ....again.Are you sure? Bushslam is where its at. Bushtian is worse
WTF? The taxi was in the grassy knoll? WTF was that all about? All I saw was a taxi with a broken windshield.Here, prove this wrong. It has to do with a taxi cab, the light poles outside the Pentagon, and the plane.
LOL @ U .Holes appear bigger when zoomed.
Okay. Heres others than *****.
If Flight 77 had crash landed, and skidded into the Pentagon...
It would have looked like this.
http://www.loosechange911.com/img/ev...pentagon11.jpg
What a surprise. A plane that never touched the grass, didn't touch the grass. Who woulda thunk'd it?Instead, it looked like this, without a single scratch on the lawn.
http://www.loosechange911.com/img/ev...pentagon13.jpg
Hang your head low boy. For shame posting this tripe. How dare you.On November 22nd, 2004, a private jet en route to Houston to pick up George Bush Senior clipped a single light pole and crashed a minute away from landing at Houston's Hobby Airport.
http://www.billingsgazette.com/newde...et-crash_v.inc
The wing ripped off upon impact, scattering debris over 100 yards.
And yet, Flight 77 managed to tear 5 light poles completely out of the ground, without damaging either the wings or light poles themselves. Instead, they seem to have just popped out of the ground.
This doesn't even suggest that the plane in question wasn't a 757, only that the controllers aren't used to monitoring a 757 flying in such a reckless fashion."The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane," says O'Brien. "You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe."
LOL omg this is retarded.Someone even knew how to turn off the transponder, a move that is considerably less than obvious.