Holocaust Denial, American Style 29 Nov 2007

Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>> Merlin <johndoe99@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The IRA wasn't a terrorist group.
>>>> It was a group of Irish Patriots who defended their occupied
>>>> country against the oppressing British invaders.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Using terrorism.
>>
>> Placing bombs in public places in London is terrorism.
>>
>> Negotiations eventually resolved the problem.
>>
>> We can easily handle the Arabs by negotiations.
>
> Well, no. The Caliphate requires the world to convert to Islam.

That's the view of a few
loonies in the Arab world.

We've got similar loonies in our world.

Both sides need to surpress
their loonies before they kill us




>
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>> jr chose war....the worst way.
 
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>>> Merlin <johndoe99@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The IRA wasn't a terrorist group.
>>>>> It was a group of Irish Patriots who defended their occupied
>>>>> country against the oppressing British invaders.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Using terrorism.
>>>
>>> Placing bombs in public places in London is terrorism.
>>>
>>> Negotiations eventually resolved the problem.
>>>
>>> We can easily handle the Arabs by negotiations.
>>
>> Well, no. The Caliphate requires the world to convert to Islam.
>
> That's the view of a few
> loonies in the Arab world.
>
> We've got similar loonies in our world.

None of whom are attacking other nations.

>
> Both sides need to surpress
> their loonies before they kill us

Their side needs to suppress Their loonies, else we bomb them all back to
the stone age.

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>>>
>>> jr chose war....the worst way.
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>
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"Merlin" <johndoe99@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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On Dec 26, 12:13 pm, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbea...@nospam.forme> wrote:

****, BE-A-CON, WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAKE A STANDARD POST OUT OF THE
SAME **** YOU SAY EVERY TIME?

HERE YOU GO:

HERE'S BE-A-CON'S STANDARD LINES:

1. No! You're wrong!

[snip]

This couldn't be true. since it isn't for me to prove a negative!

Please try to stop committing the same logical fallacies just as you re
commit the same lies.

It is for those claiming it to prove that they are RIGHT!

YOU claim it so YOU have to provide evidence to prove it.

You have NOT provided evidence to proved that Saddam was working with
Islamic terrorists as was promised or that he had WMD in Iraq just before
the invasion as was promised!
 
"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>> Merlin <johndoe99@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The IRA wasn't a terrorist group.
>>>> It was a group of Irish Patriots who defended their occupied country
>>>> against the oppressing British invaders.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Using terrorism.
>>
>> Placing bombs in public places in London is terrorism.
>>
>> Negotiations eventually resolved the problem.
>>
>> We can easily handle the Arabs by negotiations.
>
> Well, no. The Caliphate requires the world to convert to Islam.

Well first arabs are not all Muslim! and there is no compunction in religion
according to Islam. In other words even if they wanted all to convert they
must do so by their own choise! Not by force!

Certain brands of christianity also claim you will go to Hell if you are not
of their beliefs.
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"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>>>> Merlin <johndoe99@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The IRA wasn't a terrorist group.
>>>>>> It was a group of Irish Patriots who defended their occupied
>>>>>> country against the oppressing British invaders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Using terrorism.
>>>>
>>>> Placing bombs in public places in London is terrorism.
>>>>
>>>> Negotiations eventually resolved the problem.
>>>>
>>>> We can easily handle the Arabs by negotiations.
>>>
>>> Well, no. The Caliphate requires the world to convert to Islam.
>>
>> That's the view of a few
>> loonies in the Arab world.
>>
>> We've got similar loonies in our world.
>
> None of whom are attacking other nations.


There are secular groups like the Tamil Tigers who ARE/were! The Islamist
terrorists are an inflated threat. The IRA attacked Germany Holland Britian!
the barda meinhoff, Black September etc. ALL secular!
the Tigers even outnumber al Khyda in suicide bombings!

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>> Both sides need to surpress
>> their loonies before they kill us
>
> Their side needs to suppress Their loonies, else we bomb them all back to
> the stone age.

Rubbish! That didnt work in afghanistan where the Taliban and their ilk are
growing while the US are getting out!
Iron fist rule didn't work for the russians and it won't work for the US!
Unless of course you nuke flat every nationa on earth and "cleanse" all
their people by incinerating them! We all know who tried that before don't
we? ;)
 
"Merlin" <johndoe99@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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On Dec 26, 5:57 pm, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.map...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Merlin <johndo...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> > The IRA wasn't a terrorist group.
> > It was a group of Irish Patriots who defended their occupied country
> > against the oppressing British invaders.
>
> Using terrorism.

That depends on your perspective and what you define terrorism as.

> Of course Merlin won't give us HIS definition wil he?
> evasion noted.


I'm quite sure that no person in the IRA would ever agree with you.

> what has that to do with it?
 
"Merlin" <johndoe99@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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On Dec 26, 10:06 pm, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.map...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Merlin <johndo...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> > On Dec 26, 5:57 pm, Lobby Dosser <lobby.dosser.map...@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >> Merlin <johndo...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >> > The IRA wasn't a terrorist group.
> >> > It was a group of Irish Patriots who defended their occupied
> >> > country against the oppressing British invaders.
>
> >> Using terrorism.
>
> > That depends on your perspective and what you define terrorism as.
>
> > I'm quite sure that no person in the IRA would ever agree with you.
>
> I'm sure anyone who was kneecapped would agree with me. Along with the
> relatives of those killed in random bombing attacks. Some of whom were
> Catholic.

I don't really give a ****.

> then why did you bring the issue up or coment on it?
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:49:31 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>I don't really give a ****.

Precisely what everyone thinks about you - leave.
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:47:53 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>Iron fist rule didn't work for the russians and it won't work for the US!

**** off , leave, get out.
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:43:58 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>and there is no compunction in religion
>according to Islam. In other words even if they wanted all to convert they
>must do so by their own choise! Not by force!

L_I_A_R!


http://www.contenderministries.org/islam/jihad.php
As you shall see, the Qur'an specifically makes a case for waging
Jihad against infidels. The following are quotes from the Qur'an:

"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power,
including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the
enemies of Allah...Whatever ye spend in the cause of Allah shall be
repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly." (Surah 8:60)

"Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if
they were a solid cemented structure," (Surah 61:4).

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress
limits...191And slay them wherever ye catch them. and turn them out
from where they have turned you out; for persecution is worse than
slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they (first)
fight you there; But if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward
of those who reject faith. 192 But if they cease, Allah is
oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. 193And fight them on until there is no
more persecution. And the religion becomes Allah's. But if they
cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice
oppression" (Surah 2:190-193).

"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are
asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the
earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But
little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and
put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For
Allah hath power over all things. Unless ye go forth, He will punish
you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye
would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things,"
(Surah 9:38-39).

"For the unbelievers are to you open enemies" (Surah 4:101)

"Seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and in any case take
no friends or helpers from their ranks." (Surah 4:89)

"Then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them,
beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."
(Surah 9:5)

As you can see, the commandment to wage a holy war against infidels
comes not from some radical Islamic cleric. It comes, in fact, from
the Islamic scripture! And while there are radical Muslim sects, one
of which thinks that Jihad should be the sixth Pillar of Islam, the
practice of Jihad is mainstream. For even more evidence, let's refer
to the Hadith. The Hadith are the quotes and actions of the Muslim
prophet Muhammad. They are often used in conjunction with the Qur'an
to clarify scripture. As you can see, Muhammad favored Holy War as
well:

"The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in
Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah
and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward,
or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is
killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my
followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad
and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made
alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred
in His cause." Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35, Narrated Abu Huraira.
"Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu
Huraira added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e.
holy battles), Hajj, and my duty to serve my mother, I would have
loved to die as a slave. Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724: Narrated Abu
Huraira.
"Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees (the person who carries out
Jihad in His Cause and nothing compelled him to go out but Jihad in
His Cause and the belief in His Word) that He will either admit him
into Paradise (Martyrdom) or return him with reward or booty he has
earned to his residence from where he went out." Volume 9, Book 93,
Number 555: Narrated Abu Huraira.
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:12:21 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>You have NOT provided evidence to proved that Saddam was working with
>Islamic terrorists as was promised or that he had WMD in Iraq just before
>the invasion as was promised!

You are a serial liar.

http://pajamasmedia.com/2006/09/_exclusive_secret_iraq_wmd_rep.php

In early August on a patrol north of Baghdad, us soldiers made another
startling and important discovery. Searching near an Iraqi
construction site, the troops uncovered at least 240 chemical weapon
shells. Although they had not been filled with any agents, they were
still more remnants from Saddam
 
"Hans Katzenjammer" <der@captain.vot> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:47:53 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>Iron fist rule didn't work for the russians and it won't work for the US!
>
> **** off , leave, get out.

that is meant to be some sort of counter argument is it/

Or maybe you are telling the US to do that with their troops?

Please care to elucidate?
 
"Hans Katzenjammer" <der@captain.vot> wrote in message news:thv7n3l91sh4e357ci5k93ddoc08vdvlti@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:43:58 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>and there is no compunction in religion
>>according to Islam. In other words even if they wanted all to convert they
>>must do so by their own choise! Not by force!
>
> L_I_A_R!
>
>
> http://www.contenderministries.org/islam/jihad.php
> As you shall see, the Qur'an specifically makes a case for waging
> Jihad against infidels. The following are quotes from the Qur'an:

Yes an it also says there "is no compunction in religion"

th Bible also has many quotes which deal with violence and cruelty.

In fact you ma have heard of Josuha at the Walls of Jericho. But did you read about the town following that Ai? Wher all the people were massacred?

[snip - 5 or 6 quotes from the Koran which seem to endorse violence]

You can find similar quotes from the Koran and Book of Mormon at the following site whre you can also find the following quotes relating to cruelty from the Bible:
It isn't as if the Koran has a monopoly on these type of quotes.

here is just the first 4 books. thee are over 800 quotes just relating to cruelty and violence.

Genesis


1.. Because God liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy. 4:8

2.. God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17

3.. God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4

4.. God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23

5.. God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10

6.. Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do to Hagar whatever she wants. "And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled." 16:6

7.. Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Peter 2:7-8. 19:7-8

8.. God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24

9.. Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26

10.. God threatens to kill Abimelech and his people for believing Abe's lie. 20:3-7

11.. Sarai tells Abraham to "cast out this bondwoman and her son." God commands him to "hearken unto her voice." So Abraham abandons Hagar and Ishmael, casting them out into the wilderness to die. 21:10-14

12.. God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13

13.. Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only an evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. 22:10

14.. Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31

15.. "The terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them." 35:5

16.. "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7

17.. After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10

18.. After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24

19.. Joseph interprets the baker's dream. He says that the pharaoh will cut off the baker's head, and hang his headless body on a tree for the birds to eat. 40:19
Exodus


20.. Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12

21.. God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's firstborn son. 4:23

22.. God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26

23.. God will make sure that Pharaoh does not listen to Moses, so that he can kill Egyptians with his armies. 7:4

24.. "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD." Who else could be so cruel and unjust? 7:5, 17

25.. God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. 7:17-24

26.. The fifth plague: all cattle in Egypt die. 9:2-6

27.. The sixth plague: boils and blains upon man and beast. 9:9-12

28.. "For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth." Who else but the biblical god could be so cruel? 9:14

29.. The seventh plague is hail. "And the hail smote throughout the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast." 9:22-25

30.. These verses clearly show that the mass murder of innocent children by God was premeditated. 11:4-6 (see 12:29-30)

31.. God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7

32.. God explains to Moses that he intends to "smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. 12:12

33.. After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the firstborn cattle, too. 12:29

34.. To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to "sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the matrix" -- all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 12, 15

35.. After hardening Pharaoh's heart a few more times, God drowns Pharaoh's army in the sea 14:4-28

36.. Moses and the people sing praises to their murderous god. 15:1-19

37.. "The Lord is a man of war." Indeed, judging from his acts in the Old Testament, he is a vicious warlike monster. 15:3

38.. God's right hand dashes people in pieces. 15:6

39.. If you do what God says, he won't send his diseases on you (like he did to the Egyptians). But otherwise.... 15:26

40.. Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13

41.. "The Lord has sworn [God swears!] that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." 17:14-16

42.. Any person or animal that touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death or "shot through." 19:12-13

43.. Like the great and powerful Wizard of Oz, nobody can see God and live. 19:21

44.. God gives instructions for killing and burning animals. He says that if we will make such "burnt offerings," he will bless us for it. What kind of mind would be pleased by the killing and burning of innocent animals? 20:24

45.. A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17

46.. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25

47.. If an ox gores someone, "then the ox shall surely be stoned." 21:28

48.. If an ox gores someone due to the negligence of its owner, then "the ox shall be stoned, and his owner shall be put to death.". 21:29

49.. If an ox gores a slave, the owner of the ox must pay the owner of the slave 30 shekels of silver, and "the ox shall be stoned." 21:32

50.. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18

51.. "Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Is it really necessary to kill such people? Couldn't we just send them to counseling or something? 22:19

52.. "He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20

53.. If you make God angry enough, he will kill you and your family with his own sword. 22:24

54.. "The firstborn of thy sons thou shalt give unto me." (As a burnt offering?) 22:29

55.. God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27

56.. Moses has some animals killed and their dead bodies burned for God. Then he sprinkles their blood on the altar and on the people. This makes God happy. 24:5-8

57.. Get some animals, kill them, chop up their bodies, wave body parts in the air, burn the carcasses, and sprinkle the blood all around -- in precisely the way God tells you. It may well make you sick, but it makes God feel good. 29:11-37

58.. Have your killed and offered your bullock for a sin offering today? How about the two lambs you are supposed to offer each day? 29:36-39

59.. Wash up or die. 30:20-21

60.. Moses burned the golden calf, ground it into powder, and then forced it down the throats of all the people. 32:20

61.. Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33

62.. Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14

63.. God asks to be left alone so that his "wrath may wax hot" and he can "consume them. 32:10

64.. God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor." "And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28

65.. But God wasn't satisfied with the slaughter of the 3000, so he killed some more people with a plague. 32:35

66.. If you can't redeem him, then just "break his neck." Hey, it's all for the glory of God. 34:20

67.. Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3
Leviticus


68.. God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord." Chapters 1 - 9

69.. "Flay the burnt offering; cut it into pieces." 1:6

70.. Burn the head, fat, and entrails for "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:8-9

71.. "Kill it and sprinkle blood round about." 1:11, 3:2, 3:8, 3:13

72.. "Cut it into pieces and burn it for a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:12-13

73.. "Wring off its head and burn it." 1:15

74.. "For a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:17

75.. "Part it in pieces... it is a meat offering." 2:6

76.. "It is a thing most holy of the offerings of the LORD made by fire." 2:10

77.. What to do with the fat, kidneys, and liver of your burnt offerings. 3:3-4, 3:9-10, 3:14-16

78.. "Kill the bullock before the Lord and take of the bullock's blood." 4:4

79.. "The priest shall dip his finger in the blood and sprinkle the blood seven times before the Lord." 4:6, 4:17

80.. "Pour all the blood at the bottom of the altar." 4:7

81.. What to do with the fat, kidneys, liver, skin, head, entrails, and dung from your burnt offerings. 4:8-11

82.. "The bullock shall be killed before the Lord." 4:14

83.. "Kill it and pour out the blood." 4:24-25

84.. "Slay it for a sin offering, pour out the blood, and burn the fat for a sweet savour unto the Lord." 4:29-31

85.. Slay it for a sin offering, put the blood on your finger, and pour out the blood at the bottom of the altar. 4:33-34

86.. Wringing off the heads of pigeons for God. 5:8-9

87.. Kill the sin offering before the Lord. "It is most holy." 6:25

88.. The holy law of trespass offering: Find an animal; kill it; sprinkle the blood around; offer God the fat, rump, kidneys, and caul; burn and eat it in the holy place, for "it is most holy." 7:1-6

89.. The priest must sprinkle the blood of the peace offerings. 7:14

90.. Be careful what you eat during these animal sacrifices. Don't eat fat or blood -- these are for God. (And he doesn't like to share!) 7:18-27

91.. God gives instructions for "wave offerings" and "heave offerings." He says these offerings are to be made perpetually "by a statute for ever." Have you made your heave offering today? 7:30-36

92.. Moses does it all for God. First he kills an animal; wipes the blood on Aaron's ears, thumbs, and big toes. Then he sprinkles blood round about and waves the guts before the Lord. Finally he burns the whole mess for "a sweet savour before the Lord." 8:14-32

93.. More killing, sprinkling of blood, waiving animal parts, and burning carcasses "before the Lord." 9:2-21

94.. Kill the calf, dip your finger in the blood, sprinkle the blood round about, burn the fat and entrails, and wave the breast for a wave offering before the Lord. 9:8-21

95.. Two of the sons of Aaron "offered strange fire before the Lord" and "there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord." 10:1-3

96.. If priests misbehave at the tabernacle by uncovering their heads, tearing their clothes, leaving with holy oil on them, or by drinking "wine or strong drink", then God will kill them and send his wrath on "all the people." 10:6-9

97.. After a woman gives birth, a priest must kill a lamb, pigeon, or dove as a sin offering. This is because having children is sinful and God likes it when things are killed for him. 12:6-8

98.. God's law for lepers: Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe. Repeat. Finally kill a couple doves and offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. 14:2-32

99.. God "put the plague of leprosy" into the houses of the Canaanites. 14:34

100.. God explains the use of scapegoats. It goes like this: Get two goats. Kill one. Wipe, smear, and sprinkle the blood around seven times. Then take the other goat, give it the sins of all the people, and send it off into the wilderness. 16:6-28

101.. Sprinkle the blood and burn the fat for a sweet savour unto the Lord. 17:6

102.. If you upset God, he'll cause the land to vomit you out. 18:25

103.. "Whosoever shall commit any of these abominations ... shall be cut off from among their people." 18:29, 19:8

104.. Don't eat sacrifices on the third day or God will cut you off from among your people. 19:6-8

105.. Kill anyone who "gives his seed" to Molech. If you refuse, God will cut you and your family off. 20:2-5

106.. "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." Couldn't we try spanking first? 20:9

107.. Both parties in adultery shall be executed. 20:10

108.. If a man has sex with his father's wife, kill them both. 20:11

109.. If a man "lies" with his daughter-in-law, then both must be killed. 20:12

110.. If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13

111.. If you "lie" with your wife and your mother-in-law (now that sounds fun!), then all three of you must be burned to death. 20:14

112.. If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. 20:15-16

113.. People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27

114.. A priest's daughter who "plays the whore" is to be burned to death. 21:9

115.. God gives us more instructions on killing and burning animals. I guess the first nine chapters of Leviticus wasn't enough. He says we must do this because he really likes the smell -- it is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 23:12-14, 18

116.. Don't do any work on the day of atonement or God will destroy you. 23:29-30

117.. A man curses and blasphemes while disputing with another man. Moses asks God what to do about it. God says that the whole community must stone him to death. "And the children of Israel did as the Lord and Moses commanded." 24:10-23

118.. Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. 24:16

119.. God tells the Israelites to make slaves out of their neighbors and their families. The "heathens" and "strangers" are to be their possessions forever. 25:44-46

120.. God tells the Israelites to "chase" their enemies and make them "fall before you by the sword." He figures five of the Israelites will be able to "chase" a hundred of their enemies, and a hundred will be able to "put ten thousand to flight." 26:7-8

121.. God describes the torments that he has planned for those who displease him. The usual stuff: plagues, burning fevers that will consume the eyes, etc. but he reserves the worst for the little children. He says "ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it," "I will send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children," and "ye shall eat the flesh of your sons and daughters." 26:16-39

122.. All "devoted" things (both man and beast) "shall surely be put to death." 27:28-29
Numbers


123.. God shows his hospitality with the admonition: "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 1:51, 3:10, 3:38

124.. Two of Aaron's sons are killed by God for "offering strange fire before the Lord." 3:4

125.. Don't touch or "go in to see when the holy things are covered." God kills people who touch or look at covered holy things. 4:15, 20

126.. God tells the people to expel from camp "every leper, every one that hath an issue, and whoever is defiled by the dead." So by God's instructions, the sick are abandoned and left to suffer and die alone. 5:1-4

127.. "And when the people complained, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it." (He had his hearing aid on.) He then burned the complainers alive. That'll teach them. 11:1

128.. "And wile the flesh [of the quails] was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague. "The Bible isn't too clear about what these poor folks did to upset God so much; all it says is that they had "lusted." 11:33

129.. Miriam and Aaron (Moses' brother and sister) criticize Moses for marrying an Ethiopian woman and thus breaking the law of God. But God makes it clear that his rules don't apply to his favorites, and he strikes Miriam with leprosy. Notice that only Miriam is punished, though both she and Aaron complained. 12:1, 9-10

130.. More plagues and pestilence sent by God. God repeats one of his favorite promises: "your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness." 14:12, 29, 14:32-37

131.. God punishes the children for the failings of their great-great grandfathers. 14:18

132.. God killed those that murmured against him with a plague. 14:36-37

133.. God gives more instructions for the ritualistic killing of animals. The smell of burning flesh is "a sweet savour unto the Lord." 15:3, 13-14, 24

134.. The Israelites find a man picking up sticks on the sabbath. God commands them to kill him by throwing rocks at him. 15:32-36

135.. Because of a dispute between Korah and Moses, God has the ground open up and swallow Korah, Dathan, and Abiram "and their wives, and their sons, and their little children." Then, just for the hell of it, God has a fire burn to death 250 "men that offered incense." 16:20-35

136.. After God killed Korah, his family, and 250 innocent bystanders, the people complained saying, "ye have killed the people of the Lord." So God, who doesn't take kindly to criticism, sends a plague on the people. And "they that died in the plague were 14,700." 16:41-50

137.. God threatens to kill those who murmur. To which the people reply, "Behold, we die, we perish, we all perish .... Shall we be consumed with dying?" 17:12-13

138.. Stay away from holy things and places -- like churches. God might have to kill you if you get too close.18:3, 22, 32

139.. God shows us how to make new friends by saying : "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 18:7

140.. God describes once again the procedure for ritualistic animal sacrifices. such rituals must be extremely important to God, since he makes their performance a "statute" and "covenant" forever. 18:17-19

141.. The purification of the unclean. These absurd rituals, cruel sacrifices, and unjust punishments are vitally important to God. They are to be "a perpetual statute" for all humankind. 19:1-22

142.. "And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities." This verse demonstrates the power of prayer: If you ask God, he will destroy entire cities for you. 21:3

143.. God sends "fiery serpents" to bite his chosen people, and many of them die. 21:6

144.. God delivers the Amorites into Moses' hands. (You're in God hands with Moses.) So Moses does the usual thing, killing everyone "until their was none left alive." 21:34-35

145.. God's people will kill like a lion and then "drink the blood of the slain." 23:24

146.. God, who is as strong as a unicorn, will eat up the nations, break their bones, and then pierce them through with his arrows. What a guy! 24:8

147.. After the people "commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab," Moses has them all killed. Then God tells Moses to hang their dead bodies up in front of him; God says that this will satisfy him. 25:1-5

148.. When one of the Israelite men brings home a foreign woman, "Phinehas (Aaron's grandson) sees them and throws a spear "through the man .. and the woman through her belly." This act pleases God so much that "the plague was stayed from the children of Israel." But not before 24,000 had died. 25:6-9

149.. For impaling the interracial couple, God rewards Phinehas and his sons with the everlasting priesthood. 25:10-13

150.. God tells Moses how to care for his neighbors by saying: "Vex the Midianites, and smite them." 25:16-17

151.. The ground swallow Korah and his companions and a fire consumes 250 men. 26:10

152.. "And Nadab and Abihu died when they offered strange fire before the Lord." When you go camping avoid making any unusual fires. 26:61

153.. In these chapters, God provides ridiculously detailed instructions for the ritualistic sacrifice of animals. The burning of their dead bodies smells great to God. Eleven times in these two chapters God says that they are to him a "sweet savour." 28 - 29

154.. Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! (Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins.) 31:1-54

155.. God killed all the Egyptian firstborn. 33:4

156.. God tells Moses to exterminate the residents of Canaan and destroy all of their religious symbols and possessions. 33:50-52

157.. But if the Israelites don't kill them all, then God will make them *****s in their eyes and thorns in their sides. And he will do unto the Israelites as he planned to do to the inhabitants of Canaan. 33:55-56

158.. "The revenger of blood" must murder the murderer just as soon as he sees him. 35:19, 21

159.. When a murder is committed the blood pollutes the land. The only way to cleanse it is to spill more blood by killing the killer. 35:30, 33
Deuteronomy


160.. "The Lord destroyed them before them" -- the general treatment of the people who were supposedly displaced by the Israelites. 2:21-22

161.. All nations shall be terrorized by the followers of Yahweh. 2:25

162.. God hardened the heart of the king of Heshbon and so that he could have him and all of his people killed. 2:30

163.. At God's instructions, the Israelites "utterly destroyed the men, women, and the little ones" leaving "none to remain." 2:33-36

164.. The Israelites, with God's help, kill all the men, women, and children of every city. 3:3-6

165.. When going to war, don't be afraid. God is on your side; "he shall fight for you." 3:22

166.. God destroyed the followers of Baalpeor. 4:3

167.. God brought the Israelites out of Egypt "by war ... and by great terrors." 4:34

168.. If someone makes an image of anything (like a bird or flower) then God will destroy the entire nation. 4:25-26

169.. If you worship the wrong god, God will get jealous and kill you. 6:15

170.. God instructs the Israelites to kill, without mercy, all the inhabitants (strangers) of the land that they conquer. 7:2

171.. If you do show any mercy to such strangers, "give your daughters to any of them, or "take" any of their daughters, then you'll get God so angry that he'll "destroy thee suddenly." 7:4

172.. God will kill those who hate him. 7:10

173.. God commands his people to "consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity on them." 7:16

174.. God will send hornets to kill your enemies, "for the Lord thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible." 7:20-23

175.. "If thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods ... ye shall surely perish." 8:19-20

176.. God is "a consuming fire" that destroys people. 9:3

177.. "The blood of sacrifices shall be poured out ... and thou shalt eat the flesh." Isn't this the sort of thing that Satanists are accused of doing? 12:27

178.. Kill those of other faiths. 12:30

179.. Prophets and dreamers are to be executed if they say or dream the wrong things. 13:1-5

180.. If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tries to get you to worship another god, "thou shalt surely kill him, thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death." 13:6-10

181.. If you hear of a city where another god is worshiped, then destroy everyone in the city (even the cattle) and burn it down. (Watch out Salt Lake!) 13:12-16

182.. Kill everyone who has religious beliefs that are different from your own. 17:2-7

183.. Anyone who will not listen to a priest or a judge must be executed. 17:12-13

184.. False prophets are to be (you guessed it) executed. How do you know who is a false prophet? By whether or not their predictions come true. (Watch out Jehovah's Witnesses!) 18:20

185.. Murderers and perjurers are to be executed -- "and thine eye shall not pity" them. 19:11-13, 18-21

186.. "And thine eye shall not pity. Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." 19:21

187.. God travels with people and fights in their wars. 20:4

188.. In the cities that god "delivers into thine hands" you must kill all the males (including old men, boys, and babies) with "the edge of the sword .... But the women ... shalt thou take unto yourself." 20:13

189.. "But of the cities ... which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth." Kill the old men and women, the sick and the dying, the blind and the lame, pregnant mothers, nursing mothers, infants, toddlers, and babies. 20:16

190.. If you find a dead body and don't know the cause of death, then get all the elders together, cut off the head of a heifer, wash your hands over its body, and say our hands have not shed this blood. (That'll do it!) 21:1-8

191.. If you have a "stubborn and rebellious son," then you and the other men in your neighborhood "shall stone him with stones that he die." 21:18-21

192.. Hang on trees the bodies of those who are "accursed of God." They make nice decorations. 21:22

193.. If a man marries, then decides that he hates his wife, he can claim she wasn't a virgin when they were married. If her father can't produce the "tokens of her virginity" (bloody sheets), then the woman is to be stoned to death at her father's doorstep. 22:13-21

194.. "If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die." 22:22

195.. If a betrothed virgin is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, then "the men of the city shall stone her to death." 22:23-24

196.. Legal disputes are settled by a judge who determines guilt or innocence. No lawyers or jury are needed. Those found guilty will be beaten with 40 stripes. 25:1-3

197.. If two men fight and the wife of one grabs the "secrets" of the other, "then thou shalt cut off her hand" and "thine eye shall not pity her." 25:11-12

198.. God commands the Israelites to "blot out the rembrance of Amalek from under heaven." A few hundred years later God orders Saul to kill of the Amalekites "both man and woman, infant and suckling." (1 Sam.15:2-3) 25:19

199.. If you don't obey all of the laws that are given in the Old Testament, God shower you with the curses that are given in the next 52 verses. 28:16-68

200.. "Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body." 28:18

201.. God will send you "cursing, vexing, the pestilence, consumption, fever, inflammation, extreme burning, the sword, blasting, and mildew." 28:20-22

202.. "And thy carcass shall be meat to all the fowls of the air." 28:25-26

203.. "The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and the emerods [hemorrhoids], and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst be healed. The Lord will smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart." 28:27-28

204.. "Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes." 28:31

205.. Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people." 28:32

206.. You will be enslaved and driven mad in another country. 28:33-34

207.. "The Lord will smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head." 28:35

208.. You will be ruled by other nations, forced to serve other gods, become a laughingstock among your neighbors, have your crops destroyed by locusts, your vines eaten by worms, and have fruitless olive trees. 28:36-40

209.. "Thou shalt begat sons and daughters, but thou shall not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity." 28:41

210.. "All these curses shall come upon thee ... and upon thy seed for ever." 28:48-49

211.. God will enslave you and destroy you with hunger, thirst, hardship, and all kinds of deprivation. 28:48-52

212.. "And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters." 28:53-55

213.. "The tender and delicate woman" will be forced to eat her own children "that cometh out from between her feet." 28:56-57

214.. If you don't do as God says he'll send plagues to torment and destroy you. 28:58-64

215.. "The LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind." 28:65-67

216.. God will have you sold to your enemies -- but even they won't buy you. 28:68

217.. If you serve the gods of other nations, "all the curses that are in this book" will fall upon you. 29:18-20

218.. "And the Lord will put all these curses upon thine enemies." See Dt.28:16-64 for some of the curses God has in mind. 30:7

219.. Moses tells the people that God will destroy all the inhabitants of the lands that they pass through. 31:3

220.. When God gets mad -- watch out! He'll starve you to death, burn you with fire, and send vicious beasts to devour you. He'll "destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs." Not even the helpless and innocent are spared by this psychotic God. 32:21-26

221.. God says, "To me belongeth vengeance, and recompense ... for the day of their destruction is at hand." 32:35

222.. God says, "I kill ... I wound ... I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh." Someone should take his sword and arrows away, at least until he's feeling better. 32:39-43
 
"Hans Katzenjammer" <der@captain.vot> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:49:31 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>I don't really give a ****.
>
> Precisely what everyone thinks about you - leave.

I didn't write that! Merlin did. You are misquoting me.
 
"Hans Katzenjammer" <der@captain.vot> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:12:21 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>You have NOT provided evidence to proved that Saddam was working with
>>Islamic terrorists as was promised or that he had WMD in Iraq just before
>>the invasion as was promised!
>
> You are a serial liar.
>
> http://pajamasmedia.com/2006/09/_exclusive_secret_iraq_wmd_rep.php


Your source here is a blogger site! Not even a media site!


>
> In early August on a patrol north of Baghdad, us soldiers made another
> startling and important discovery. Searching near an Iraqi
> construction site, the troops uncovered at least 240 chemical weapon
> shells. Although they had not been filled with any agents, they were
> still more remnants from Saddam's WMD stockpiles.


i.e NOT any part of stockpile but FOUR YEARS after invasion you find 240
shells! Thats all? It does not say how they veriufied or tested these shells
does it?

>
> For those keeping score, this most recent discovery raises the total
> number of chemical weapons found in Iraq since 2003 to more than 700.

No it doesnt! 240 "bullets" which werent even tested for gun powder in
theirt casings and no guns does not constitute 240 firearms.

where were these 240 shells found?
What chemical reagents did they contain?
Where are they now?


>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3070394/
>
> Preliminary tests conducted by MSNBC.com indicate that the deadly
> toxins ricin and botulinum were present on two items found at a camp
> in a remote mountain region of northern Iraq allegedly used as a
> terrorist training center by Islamic militants with ties to the
> al-Qaida terrorist network.

note REMOTE region and "northern Iraq"

Especially note "ALLEGED" ie. NOT proven by this evidence!

Where are the test results?

This camp was withion US air cover but OUTSIDE the control of Saddam.

Why didn't the US bomb it?


The above MSNBC source continues:

In a Feb. 5 speech to the U.N. Security Council, U.S. Secretary of State
Colin Powell showed a satellite photo of the Sargat camp and described Ansar
al-Islam as "teaching its operatives how to produce ricin and other
poisons." U.S. officials have repeated the allegations in recent weeks.

[end quote]

So to support it's position this NBC piece refers to Powell. But Powell
himself later accepted that his speech to the UN was not accurate!
Your third hand sourse (as usual) harks back to Powell's speech to the UN. I
can post (as I have before) how that speech was riddled with holes like a
swiss cheese and how Powell himself accepted it was wrong.

Would you like me to do that?



>
> http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=12525


well well. the conservative voice no less. sounds like a totally unbiased
source . NOT!
But let us see what evidence they provide shall we?


>
> In May 2003, DEBKAfile reported that "the relocation of Iraq's WMD
> systems took place between January 10 and March 10 and was completed
> just 10 days before the US-led offensive was launched against Iraq."
> CIA satellite imagery showed "convoys of Iraqi trucks that poured into
> Syria in February and March 2003."

This had been already dealt with before. In MAY 2003 the Us administration
began a big climbdown form all the assurances of absolute certainty of WMD!
Claiming WMD were moved is NOT evidence of WMD as was promised!

the CIA in the above source phaseiiaccuracy do NOT claim this. Can you show
where the CIA do or is it just your fourth hand conservative source who you
get this distortion from?


In fact the Us were claiming in March and April that "we know where they
are" . They mention Bhagdad and Tikrit.
Now BOTH those places are a thousand miles East of the syrian border.

This is several months AFTERr the US invaded you know?

And you want people to believe that after US overflys and constant patrolls
in the air and after total occupation of Iraq for weeks that the Iraquis as
if by magic bypassed the entire US forces the Kurdish forces in northern
Iraq and sneaked ALL the laods and loads of WMD we were told about right
past the US forces and only a CIA satellite even cought a glimpse of them?
Well Gosd help us all if they could do that! Im surprises the same "magic2
troops are not destroying the entire US forces there since they can
disappear at will!


>
> David Kay, original head of the Iraq Survey group, reported that "we
> know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a
> lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some
> components of Saddam's WMD program." Among the things left behind, Kay
> reported finding a "clandestine network of laboratories and
> safehouses,"

Where?


>and "a prison laboratory complex... that Iraqi officials
> working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to
> declare to the UN."


Where was that?

>The ISG's investigation revealed "new research on
> BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever
> (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin." Charles Duelfer,
> who replaced David Kay as head of the ISG, wrote in his final report
> that, "ISG received information about movement of material out of
> Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved... these reports
> were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation." Senator
> Pat Roberts, (R-KS), chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence,
> even acknowledged that "there is some concern that shipments of WMD
> went to Syria."

The ISG report says NO EVIDENCE of WMD in Iraq! you seem not to have read
it!

On January 23, 2004, the head of the ISG, David Kay, resigned his position,
stating that he believed WMD stockpiles would not be found in Iraq. "I don't
think they existed," commented Kay. "What everyone was talking about is
stockpiles produced after the end of the last Gulf War and I don't think
there was a large-scale production program in the nineties." In a briefing
to the Senate Armed Services Committee, Kay criticized the pre-war WMD
intelligence and the agencies that produced it, saying "It turns out that we
were all wrong, probably in my judgment, and that is most disturbing."
[end quote=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Survey_Group#David_Kay_resigns]

>
> John Shaw, former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for International
> Technology Security, has charged that Saddam's WMD stockpiles were
> moved by Russian special forces into Syria and Lebanon. According to
> Shaw, former Russian intelligence head Yevgeny Primakov supervised the
> removal operations. GRU military intelligence and Russian "spetsnaz"
> (special forces) troops moved Saddam's WMDs to Syria by truck
> beginning in December 2002.


this is just bunkum! You are SWITCHING the issue from EVIDENCE of YOUR CLAIM
of WMD to "how WMD mingh have been moved"

In spite of being total tripe you are NOT providing evidence fo WMD! You are
attempting to provide a EQCUSE of why you have NO EVIDENCE!

Wher is the actual evidence of WMD in Iraq?


[snip - more claims of moved WMD! this just isnt evidence of WMD as
promised]

Wathch for the climbdown below aroung MAY:


Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass
destruction.
Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002




Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the
production of biological weapons.

George W. Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002




If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once
again misleading the world.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002




We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003




Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to
produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

George W. Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003




We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass
destruction, is determined to make more.

Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003




We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi
field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator
tells us he does not have.

George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003




If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction
over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN
Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now
have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are doing this because we
want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its
pieces is not correct.

Colin Powell
Interview with Radio France International
February 28, 2003




So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of
mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment
has to be clearly not.

Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003




Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the
Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons
ever devised.

George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003




Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq
has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . .
all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever
duration it takes.

Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003




There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of
mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will
be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who
guard them.

Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003




I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass
destruction.


Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003




One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number
of sites.

Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
Press Briefing
March 22, 2003




We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and
east, west, south and north somewhat.

Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003




Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass
destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.

Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003




But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that
they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and
it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003




We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi
scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed
some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.

George W. Bush
NBC Interview
April 24, 2003




There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so
that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.

Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing
April 25, 2003




We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003




I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the
evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.

Colin Powell
Remarks to Reporters
May 4, 2003




We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in
that country.

Donald Rumsfeld
Fox News Interview
May 4, 2003




I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam
Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 6, 2003




U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find"
weapons of mass destruction.

Condoleeza Rice
Reuters Interview
May 12, 2003




I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's
no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were
destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.

Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
May 13, 2003




Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons
of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I
still expect them to be found.

Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
May 21, 2003
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:27:45 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>
>"Hans Katzenjammer" <der@captain.vot> wrote in message
>news:7508n3l105jv5vrruo7gdjgr2drdl36kgf@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:12:21 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>>
>>>You have NOT provided evidence to proved that Saddam was working with
>>>Islamic terrorists as was promised or that he had WMD in Iraq just before
>>>the invasion as was promised!
>>
>> You are a serial liar.
>>
>> http://pajamasmedia.com/2006/09/_exclusive_secret_iraq_wmd_rep.php
>
>
>Your source here is a blogger site!

You're done CON, **** off and lie yourself to sleep.
 
"Hans Katzenjammer" <der@captain.vot> wrote in message news:trh8n3tac87id9lm5ea7e8nq76evog5s5t@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:27:45 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>
>>"Hans Katzenjammer" <der@captain.vot> wrote in message
>>news:7508n3l105jv5vrruo7gdjgr2drdl36kgf@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:12:21 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
>>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>>>
>>>>You have NOT provided evidence to proved that Saddam was working with
>>>>Islamic terrorists as was promised or that he had WMD in Iraq just before
>>>>the invasion as was promised!
>>>
>>> You are a serial liar.
>>>
[snip]

>>
>>
>>Your source here is a blogger site!
>
> You're done CON, **** off and lie yourself to sleep.

that's meant to be a counter argument is it? I point out all the holes in your BLOGGER source and provide ACTUAL CIA and OFFICIAL intelligence reposts and you just ignore them. I could have provided pages and pages more I have already done and asked you if you wanted to see the counter evidence but like any bigot you just ignored the evidence and care to believe what you want to believe in spite of loads of counter evidence and in spite of your original sources (1. not a fourth hand blogger but Colin Powell's speech which he regretted and later retracted! 2. You supplied NO SOURCE material form the TV programme CLAIMS of "alleged" WMD) are shown up for the trumped up nonsense that they are!

The ISG reference and David Kay reference are entirely in error. You have NOT read their reports . You only read a fourth hand neocons SPIN on the reports didn't you? If you read from their ISG reports then how come you can't quote them? You are IGNORANT of the actual facts!
The ISG report says NO EVIDENCE of WMD in Iraq! you seem not to have read
it!

On January 23, 2004, the head of the ISG, David Kay, resigned his position,
stating that he believed WMD stockpiles would not be found in Iraq. "I don't
think they existed," commented Kay. "What everyone was talking about is
stockpiles produced after the end of the last Gulf War and I don't think
there was a large-scale production program in the nineties." In a briefing
to the Senate Armed Services Committee, Kay criticized the pre-war WMD
intelligence and the agencies that produced it, saying "It turns out that we
were all wrong, probably in my judgment, and that is most disturbing."
[end quote=
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Survey_Group#David_Kay_resigns

You snipped my reference to official documentation (which is a tiny part of the references I posted in soc.culture.iraq)

http://intelligence.senate.gov/prewar.pdf
page ten shows that they assessed BEFORE the invasion of Iraq that invading Iraq would NOT CHANGE any WMD efforts in neighbouring countries.

http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf
from page 52 and page 105 show NO evidence of WMD and no links to al Qaeda!

That's from the OFFICIAL US reports! go and read it! it ADMITS they got it WRONG!

But you prefer to forget what the FBI CIA Homeland Security etc. say after their exhaustive review of tens of millions of pages of documents and hours of film and photographic evidence don't you? You prefer to go with the bigots and the bloggers don't you?

I am not asking you to believe me. I am asking you to weigh up the evidence as presented by your own security agencies! On one hand you have fourth hand SPIN from bloggers and on the other I provide a plethora of media sources and the OFFICIAL record saying THEY GOT IT WRONG!

Readers which do you think is the more convincing argument?
 

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