Jesus in the Glorious Qur'an

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

OK then MRIH.You want one example,I'll give it to you.

One of the Bible's 10 basic Pillars, the ten commandments, says: "Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus 20:13).'' Is it not?

Yet, we see *** Almighty Commanding His servants to not only kill the enemy's men, but also the innocent children and non-virgin women who have not done anything to anyone:

Samuel 15:2-4

2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ***.

4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18)"

MRIH is this not a contradiction?

It is most ironic that *** Almighty prohibited ordinary murders but supposedly allowed massacres to be done by the mass!!

Which is it MRIH,"Thou Shalt not kill" -- OR-- "Kill all the children and non-virgin women!" ?

You're a ******' hypocrite!!

 

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

And about slavery.Let's compare what the Quran says and what the bible says shall we.

Quran Verse 24:33 "Let those who find not the financial means for marriage keep themselves chaste, until *** gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing, give them such a deed if ye know any good and honesty in them: And give them something (yourselves) out of the means which *** has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion,*** is, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to those women because they have been forced to do this evil act),"

Leviticus 25:44-46 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."

This explains exactly why the slaves had to be african.

''The male and female slaves are to come from nations around you''

What a very just and noble religion you have

I say you have your ''pig ****'' radar in the wrong direction Mr MRIH!!!

 

[papabryant]

OK then MRIH.You want one example,I'll give it to you.
One of the Bible's 10 basic Pillars, the ten commandments, says: "Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus 20:13).'' Is it not?

Yet, we see *** Almighty Commanding His servants to not only kill the enemy's men, but also the innocent children and non-virgin women who have not done anything to anyone:

Samuel 15:2-4

2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ***.

4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18)"

MRIH is this not a contradiction?

It is most ironic that *** Almighty prohibited ordinary murders but supposedly allowed massacres to be done by the mass!!

Which is it MRIH,"Thou Shalt not kill" -- OR-- "Kill all the children and non-virgin women!" ?

You're a ******' hypocrite!!

If I may interject here in this holy war...

It is NOT a contradiction. The reason for the warfare is explicitly given in 25.16 as the unprovoked hostility and treachery of Moab/Midian:

 

[papabryant]

As Israel gets ready to cross the Jordan, after being told by *** NOT to attack the Moabites/Midianites, the king of Moab attempts to attack Israel, not with a open military assault, but with sorcery:

Numbers 22-24:

 

[papabryant]

The Baal ***, as is described in more detail in this article on the Canaanites (qamorite.htm), had some particularly

 

[papabryant]

The verses now shows us the substance of the treachery and deceit:

The LORD said to Moses, 17

 

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

No darling it doesn't put anything to light.It is a contradiction.

''Thou shall not kill'' has one meaning.

Read this line again:

but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ***.

Why kill an infant and suckling? What crimes did they commit?Answer these two simple questions,then I assure you,you'll shine alot of light.

No sane person can take this verse out of context.

 

[papabryant]

No darling it doesn't put anything to light.It is a contradiction.''Thou shall not kill'' has one meaning.

Read this line again:

but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ***.

Why kill an infant and suckling? What crimes did they commit?Answer these two simple questions,then I assure you,you'll shine enough light.

The proper verse translation is "Thou shalt not murder" for starts.

Because those would have been

1. too much of a burden on Israel to take care of. (Innocent girls could at least contribute to their upkeep, and who would have fed the sucklings? By ANE standards, admittedly not as sophisticated as our own, this was concidered doing them a favor - dying quickly instead of dying slowly of hunger because the Israelite women couldn't give them milk. )

2. the next generation of Midianites to attempt to destroy Israel. (Girls were not concidered a threat since family alliances were through males who would not be given away to another family.

Philo asserted that the Israelites actually spared the little boys, although the Hebrew text doesn

 

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

1. too much of a burden on Israel to take care of.

2. the next generation of Midianites to attempt to destroy Israel.

Excuse me,while I go throw up!!! So I guess with these reasons it is acceptable to you that infants should be slayed?

Not good enough,sirrah,just sickening.

 

[Mr X]

What? These so called apostles contradict themselves.If they all received the word of Jesus/*** then why are there so many different contradictions in what the wrote?How come none of them wrote that Jesus said:''worship me,Iam ***''?

This also shows how false their message was.I'm not saying that there are no words of truth in the bible,but they are just blotted out by the many lies and contradictions.

umm AIG don't get angry with me...but I stated that Jesus is not ***.My views are not representative of the whole of chrisendom.It really comes to individual interpretation..The apostles did not say he was ***...but were trying to explain that *** spoke through him...just like the prophets..but also he was to fulfil prophecy as foretold in the old testament..he was the messiah...if you read your trusty bible...remember there was a star above bethlehem,clue star=angel.Mary was warned by Gabriel that she would have the child.

The Quran also speaks of desciples but none of them claimed that Jesus(may peace be upon him) is ***.They were just his helpers in spreading the message of ***,which was to worship Him alone.Not along with a father,son or ghost.Just Him alone.

helpers according to Mohammed and co huh?so what was the holy ghost all about and what powers did they drive out demons with?. Spiritual concepts that poor mohammed could'nt understand.

''O you who believe!Be you helpers(in the cause)of Allah as said Isa(Jesus),son of Maryam(Mary),to the Hawarriyun(the desciples):''Who are my helpers(in the cause) of Allah?'' The Hawarriyun said:''We are Allah's helpers(i.e.we will strive in his cause!)...''

Oh great that helps...According to mohammeds and co's book again huh.If mohammed knows which parts of the bible were blotted out and rescripted..why did'nt he just write his version and call it"the real deal bible".

You know AIG,I think mohammed should have stuck to camel trading ,I mean 29 wives is a big responsibility,he's totally f everything up with his book.

To many bad jinns riding the poor fella

 

[papabryant]

1. too much of a burden on Israel to take care of.
2. the next generation of Midianites to attempt to destroy Israel.

Excuse me,while I go throw up!!! So I guess with these reasons it is acceptable to you that infants should be slayed?

Not good enough,sirrah,just sickening.

Not acceptable. Just the realities of the times.

Wahaabist Muslims did worse at Ta'if in the 1860's. A city of 45,000, and only 26 survived. And the Wahaabists killed the kids first. They did not have the benefit of having someone attack them first; it was strictly a conversion raid against fellow Muslims.

Given the realities of the times, the Israelite actions are far more understandable than the Wahaabists.

 

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

You know AIG,I think mohammed should have stuck to camel trading ,I mean 29 wives is a big responsibility,he's totally f everything up with his book.

 


To many bad jinns riding the poor fella

You know Mr X Iam yet to see you state anything with substance.All you say is ''I think this,I think that''.Speak of facts instead of running your mouth.

I'd like to know all the names of these ''29 wives''.

Wahaabist Muslims did worse at Ta'if in the 1860's. A city of 45,000, and only 26 survived. And the Wahaabists killed the kids first. They did not have the benefit of having someone attack them first; it was strictly a conversion raid against fellow Muslims.

Nice Try sir,but this event never took place.Give me your source.

The Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) went to speak to the leaders of Taif about the message.They threw him out and sent the city's children to stone him.He bled from head to toe,but he forgave them.This is the only event of Taif I know of.

*** ordered the muslims to never touch children,women,the old,the sick,the trees,animals,poor people.They were to fight only those that expelled them from their homes and wronged them.

So I don't think you should lie to justify the verse for your bible.

MRIH,you wanted a contradiction,I gave it.Now you explain to me how *** can say two different things.

 

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

MRIH,you wanted a contradiction,I gave it.Now you explain to me how *** can say two different things.

You specifically said "Apostles made contradictions." well Samuell was not an Apostle.
2ndly, The 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill." can not be taken so literally and was not intended so. Does it mean that I can't spray bugs in my yard, or kill a head of lettuce to make a nice salad? Of course not! You have to realize that the commandement is speaking of murder, and only murder as an individual act of consciousness. *** kills people every day, which is his right to do, afterall it is our punishment for sin. So If you think that the bible contradicts itself because *** kills and the 6th commandment is there, then you need your head examined!

furthermore, as long as this debate remains in the "****-pot", I will not answer anymore of your silly questions.

 

[papabryant]

Wahaabist Muslims did worse at Ta'if in the 1860's. A city of 45,000, and only 26 survived. And the Wahaabists killed the kids first. They did not have the benefit of having someone attack them first; it was strictly a conversion raid against fellow Muslims.

Nice Try sir,but this event never took place.Give me your source.

My source is the academic textbook "A History of Islamic Civilization" but if you would prefer a Muslim account of my "lie".

http://www.ummah.net/Al_adaab/wah-38.html

If you have a problem with the facts that Muslims killed other Muslims at Ta'if in the 1860's (NOT when Mohammed visited the city) take it up with your fellow Muslims, friend - because they are the ones telling us it happened.

If you are simply trying to incite, stop. The Biblical passages are not a contradiction for the reasons I gave.

*** ordered the muslims to never touch children,women,the old,the sick,the trees,animals,poor people.They were to fight only those that expelled them from their homes and wronged them.So I don't think you should lie to justify the verse for your bible.

You should apologize now for stating I have lied when now fellow Muslims have stated I told the truth about Ta'if. The Qur'an does not allow you to insult the People of the Book when they have not dealt with you dishonestly. You have dishonored your Prophet. Set things right. Now.

 

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

papabryant,that story is not true because it is not from any of the authentic hadith.If it was an authentic hadith,I would not argue about it.

I should not have called you a lier cos you didn't know that it was not authentic.

I never insult the people of the book,but just go and read the things your fellow christians on this site have said about Islam,muslims and the Quran.

2ndly, The 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill." can not be taken so literally and was not intended so. Does it mean that I can't spray bugs in my yard, or kill a head of lettuce to make a nice salad? Of course not! You have to realize that the commandement is speaking of murder, and only murder as an individual act of consciousness. *** kills people every day, which is his right to do, afterall it is our punishment for sin. So If you think that the bible contradicts itself because *** kills and the 6th commandment is there, then you need your head examined!

Oooh MRIH,heat getting to ya? I also said so many times that your bible is full of contradictions.And you asked for examples many times.The problem with you is that when someone prooves you wrong you get angry and say you won't answer anything or you put them in your ignore list.

The fact is that your bible says ''slay infants,sucklings and non-virginal women''.No one said anything about bugs and lettuce.

And it is a contradiction because both orders are said to have been given by ***.It doesn't matter who said it.They are from your bible(s).

I don't understand why you're defending your bible so much,when you yourselves contradict the bible with your actions:

"And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you. (Leviticus 11:7-8)"

oops,there goes your Christmas and Easter ham and pork.

And what a hypocrite you are MRIH.You keep screaming that muslims are ordered to kill any one who leaves Islam.

well,well,well,look at the wisdom found in your bible:

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. (Deuteronomy 13:6-9)"

 


"And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die. (Deuteronomy 17:3-5)"

Your bible orders death for many things,and you have the gull to speak against the Quran:

"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)"

 


"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)"

 


"And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death. (Leviticus 24:16)"

Where is the Divine Wisdom and Perfection in that?

I only see double-standard hypocrisy and CLEAR-CUT stupidity!

 

[papabryant]

papabryant,that story is not true because it is not from any of the authentic hadith.If it was an authentic hadith,I would not argue about it.I should not have called you a lier cos you didn't know that it was not authentic.

I never insult the people of the book,but just go and read the things your fellow christians on this site have said about Islam,muslims and the Quran.

Apology accepted, although I would and still do argue that the incident did happen in Ta'if. I doubt that an "official" hadith would have been written since this is an event of the modern era. Perhaps there are more Muslim takes on the event that I am not aware of. (I would be interested in reading those accounts.)

And I agree about with what you say about others and their insults. Two people of different religions can get into heated discusions about religion without resulting in insults or hatred.

Have a good day, my friend.

 

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

Well papa,you're a good person,unlike someone that gets upset when a point is made against him,but enjoys posting **** like this:

''The koran is pig-****.


mohammed is a pedophile.


mecca is a demon city.


medina is the city of whores.


islam is satan's religion.


ramadan is a devil's orgy of starvation.''

MRIH,I think I'd rather debate with someone that has some good values.

You were rather happy to debate on this thread earlier when you challenged me for examples but when they were given you acted like a ***** and gave the stupidest reason to not debate.

You're just a pathetic hypocrite that just can't take it when the tables are turned.You enjoy debating(actually,insulting Islam) but when christianity is under the spot light you back off.

I'd be more than happy to show you some other contradictions from your ''perfect'' bible(s).

 

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Well papa,you're a good person,unlike someone that gets upset when a point is made against him,but enjoys posting **** like this:
''The koran is pig-****.


mohammed is a pedophile.


mecca is a demon city.


medina is the city of whores.


islam is satan's religion.


ramadan is a devil's orgy of starvation.''

MRIH,I think I'd rather debate with someone that has some good values.

You were rather happy to debate on this thread earlier when you challenged me for examples but when they were given you acted like a ***** and gave the stupidest reason to not debate.

You're just a pathetic hypocrite that just can't take it when the tables are turned.You enjoy debating(actually,insulting Islam) but when christianity is under the spot light you back off.

I'd be more than happy to show you some other contradictions from your ''perfect'' bible(s).

AIG, I told you I would happy to bebate this outside of the "****-Pot"... "Debate" area perhaps... This is not an unreasonable request, Even YOU can find the debate area. I tell you what, since it is appaenetly too difficult for you, I will start a thread for you there.

 

[ALLAH IS GREAT]

AIG, I told you I would happy to bebate this outside of the "****-Pot"... "Debate" area perhaps... This is not an unreasonable request, Even YOU can find the debate area. I tell you what, since it is appaenetly too difficult for you, I will start a thread for you there.

Why thank you very much.How noble of you.But I don't know why the title reads ''biblical contradictions for AIG''.It's actually for you darling.

I'm also sickened by your hypocrisy.

 

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

Why thank you very much.

You're welcome.

How noble of you.

Charmed.

But I don't know why the title reads ''biblical contradictions for AIG''.

The post was done by me for you. Is my english incorrect?

It's actually for you darling.

Certainly, if you had followed the instructions in the first place. Say YOU had posted it FOR ME.

I'm also sickened by your hypocrisy.

Yes, and the entire world is sickened by the foul stench of islam.