Jesus in the Glorious Qur'an

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Well papa,you're a good person,unlike someone that gets upset when a point is made against him,but enjoys posting **** like this:
''The koran is pig-****.


mohammed is a pedophile.


mecca is a demon city.


medina is the city of whores.


islam is satan's religion.


ramadan is a devil's orgy of starvation.''

MRIH,I think I'd rather debate with someone that has some good values.

You were rather happy to debate on this thread earlier when you challenged me for examples but when they were given you acted like a ***** and gave the stupidest reason to not debate.

You're just a pathetic hypocrite that just can't take it when the tables are turned.You enjoy debating(actually,insulting Islam) but when christianity is under the spot light you back off. :rolleyes:

I'd be more than happy to show you some other contradictions from your ''perfect'' bible(s).
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All mohammed had to do AIG was verify that he was indeed talking to Gabriel...like asking"Is jesus the messiah and the Son of ***?"

probably why satan chose this illiterate fool.

btw Islam came bout 300 years after christ..there were christian sects around.

This is evident in the so called hadiths...why do muslim woman wear hajaabs for instance?.Where in the qur'an does it say to wear them or the hadiths...it was a plagarism from the christians of the time.

Aisha was taken as a wife three years after khadijah death...she was six at the time..he is said to have consumated with at the age of 9.If that is the case..why don't muslims like from uhlul sunnah and shiah follow this example?.They argue that it only applied to the prophet..as they find giving their own daughters at that very age disgusting.

 
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All mohammed had to do AIG was verify that he was indeed talking to Gabriel...like asking"Is jesus the messiah and the Son of ***?"
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I don't understand the point you're trying to make here.


Aisha was taken as a wife three years after khadijah death...she was six at the time..he is said to have consumated with at the age of 9.If that is the case..why don't muslims like from uhlul sunnah and shiah follow this example?.They argue that it only applied to the prophet..as they find giving their own daughters at that very age disgusting.
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This has been answered many times.The fact that people accuse the prophet of child molestation is stupid.That was 1400 years ago.Culture was different back then as you well know.

In the USA last century, the age of consent was 10 years old. California was the first state to change the age of consent to 14, which it did in 1889. After California, other US states joined in and raised the age of consent too.

So as times change,cultures change.

 
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Oh..ok AIG

I'll come to you from a different angle.

Mohammed, would have had some knowledge on the bible prior to his supposed encounter with Gabriel.How would have he known what was good or evil?...angel versus devil. about who *** was..or who Gabriel was.

The point I was making(sorry if I explained poorly) was that there were christian sects around saudi...mohammed even though illiterate could have been taught "verbally" some passages of the bible.The bible clearly warns of false prophets and angels of light..who are really angels of darkness...in other words ,e.g satan appearing in the form of gabriel trying to decieve you.

There is one way to check if Gabriel was really Gabriel...is asking the question "Is Jesus the messiah..the Son of ***?"

Satan would have to have said "NO"...The real Gabriel would have answered "YES"

Mohammed did not ask this question.Therefore he does not know who he really is talking to.

on a different subject

And yes AIG the bible is not perfect...for whatever reason whether it be translation or corruption of conotation and original implied meaning etc...that is not the fault of the innocent folk who had nothing to do with it..but the main theme is still present.Jesus is the messiah and the Son of ***..and the intermediary between us and ***..etc etc etc.And anyway what does one gain by rescripting the bible?

btw there are folk who believe it this way...like me

***=Father/Jehovah The Holy Ghost is the extension of his power

Jesus=Son of ***/Angel/Messiah/the word of ***

Gabriel=Son of ***/Angel

Lucifer/Satan=Son of ***/Angel/Devil

Jesus is not ***...but the Son of ***(angel)....they are two different distinct individuals.Yes I dissagree with other christian sects that say Jesus is ***...that does not make sense..as Jesus would not have prayed on his knees if he was ***...and conversed with himself...really ridiculous..they kind of make him a schizophrenic with an identity crisis.They don't understand that Jesus was teaching them the concept of telepathy(I don't know a better word than that).

I'll end it for now

 
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''Mohammed, would have had some knowledge on the bible prior to his supposed encounter with Gabriel.How would have he known what was good or evil?...angel versus devil. about who *** was..or who Gabriel was.

 


The point I was making(sorry if I explained poorly) was that there were christian sects around saudi...mohammed even though illiterate could have been taught "verbally" some passages of the bible.The bible clearly warns of false prophets and angels of light..who are really angels of darkness...in other words ,e.g satan appearing in the form of gabriel trying to decieve you.

 


There is one way to check if Gabriel was really Gabriel...is asking the question "Is Jesus the messiah..the Son of ***?"

 


Satan would have to have said "NO"...The real Gabriel would have answered "YES"

 


Mohammed did not ask this question.Therefore he does not know who he really is talking to.''

Muhammed(pbuh) used to go to the cave of Hira to seek some peace of mind.

He did not understand why people worshipped images of their own manufacture.He did not like the ignorance people lived in(drinking,and using women and discarding them,slavery).Though he knew that there must be a purpose for this life,it was hard for him to figure out.He wanted guidance more than anything,probably why *** chose him.*** sent Gabriel to answer his questions and to guide him to his Creator.Gabriel revealed the first verses of the Qu'ran.

Jesus is not the son of ***.The point you're trying to make is still beyond me.Honey even satan knows that Jesus is not the son of ***,but makes you believe so to deviate you from the right path.But that's just what I believe.

Gabriel would have never answered YES!We have different ideas of Gabriel so I doubt this argument will get anywhere.

There were no christian sects in saudi,they were pushed out.Idolatry was the main practice in saudi.

 
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''Mohammed, would have had some knowledge on the bible prior to his supposed encounter with Gabriel.How would have he known what was good or evil?...angel versus devil. about who *** was..or who Gabriel was. 


The point I was making(sorry if I explained poorly) was that there were christian sects around saudi...mohammed even though illiterate could have been taught "verbally" some passages of the bible.The bible clearly warns of false prophets and angels of light..who are really angels of darkness...in other words ,e.g satan appearing in the form of gabriel trying to decieve you.

 


There is one way to check if Gabriel was really Gabriel...is asking the question "Is Jesus the messiah..the Son of ***?"

 


Satan would have to have said "NO"...The real Gabriel would have answered "YES"

 


Mohammed did not ask this question.Therefore he does not know who he really is talking to.''

Muhammed(pbuh) used to go to the cave of Hira to seek some peace of mind.

He did not understand why people worshipped images of their own manufacture.He did not like the ignorance people lived in(drinking,and using women and discarding them,slavery).Though he knew that there must be a purpose for this life,it was hard for him to figure out.He wanted guidance more than anything,probably why *** chose him.*** sent Gabriel to answer his questions and to guide him to his Creator.Gabriel revealed the first verses of the Qu'ran.

Jesus is not the son of ***.The point you're trying to make is still beyond me.Honey even satan knows that Jesus is not the son of ***,but makes you believe so to deviate you from the right path.But that's just what I believe.

Gabriel would have never answered YES!We have different ideas of Gabriel so I doubt this argument will get anywhere.

There were no christian sects in saudi,they were pushed out.Idolatry was the main practice in saudi.
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AIG, if Jesus is not the Son of *** you can just forget passages in the old testament...and the whole of the new testament that relate to him(Jesus)...because that is what Mohammeds teachings about.

Let me explain it this way..***/Jehovah sends an Angel(Jesus),but this Angel has to be made in to flesh and not only that..he has be born in the house of David...that means He has to be born to a women related to the house of David(I'm referring to prophesy concerning the Messiah)...Gabriel warns mary and joseph about her new born baby.He has to be raised in the teachings of the Torah and explain and show the jewish people that a new covenant is replacing the old...he(jesus) is given the wisdom and power of *** ...anyway *** foresee's the hostile reaction of the Jewish sanhedrin and writes in the old testament what is to become of Jesus...as jesus is to be become the sacrificial lamb...and intermediary with ***...Jesus is Gods most trusted Son...as in heaven he sits at the right side.When Jesus dies on the cross as prophesied and his spirit departs to heaven...he still visits his apostles..as they now lack faith after his death...and need reassurance that Jesus is live and with them in spirit.

As for christian sects in saudi...I was trying to tell you that mohammed had contact with christians and plagarised from the bible.He would have to have knowledge prior to meeting supposed Gabriel.Did Mohammed know who Gabriel was?

AIG..If you stop reading the Qur'an as a commentary on the bible...old/new testament...you would understand the point I am making.But that depends if you understand spiritual concepts and biblical history.

 
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Let me explain it this way..***/Jehovah sends an Angel(Jesus),but this Angel has to be made in to flesh and not only that..he has be born in the house of David...that means He has to be born to a women related to the house of David(I'm referring to prophesy concerning the Messiah)...Gabriel warns mary and joseph about her new born baby.He has to be raised in the teachings of the Torah and explain and show the jewish people that a new covenant is replacing the old...he(jesus) is given the wisdom and power of *** ...anyway *** foresee's the hostile reaction of the Jewish sanhedrin and writes in the old testament what is to become of Jesus...as jesus is to be become the sacrificial lamb...and intermediary with ***...Jesus is Gods most trusted Son...as in heaven he sits at the right side.When Jesus dies on the cross as prophesied and his spirit departs to heaven...he still visits his apostles..as they now lack faith after his death...and need reassurance that Jesus is live and with them in spirit.
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Ok Mr X,you've confused me even more.Now Jesus was an angel?

What the **** should I believe when each of you are telling me diiferent things.I honestly wish to understand but you guys are doing a poor job of it.

What was Jesus to you? ***?man?angel?son

Even your religion has confused itself!

Why does the single aspect of One *** scare you so much?Why is it so unbelievable that *** Almighty cannot have the same attributes as us?

 
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Oh..ok AIG

btw there are folk who believe it this way...like me

***=Father/Jehovah The Holy Ghost is the extension of his power

Jesus=Son of ***/Angel/Messiah/the word of ***

Gabriel=Son of ***/Angel

Lucifer/Satan=Son of ***/Angel/Devil

Jesus is not ***...but the Son of ***(angel)....they are two different distinct individuals.Yes I dissagree with other christian sects that say Jesus is ***...that does not make sense..as Jesus would not have prayed on his knees if he was ***...and conversed with himself...really ridiculous..they kind of make him a schizophrenic with an identity crisis.They don't understand that Jesus was teaching them the concept of telepathy(I don't know a better word than that).

I'll end it for now
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This is why I put this in(see above quote)...as I don't know about MRIH and others understanding of the bible....the above is how I understand it...I was warning you that this is my belief and interpretation...and that you were wasting your time with arguing with me about the trinity.BECAUSE I"M NOT OF THE TRINITARIAN BELIEF e.g Jesus is ***(which is wrong)

If Jesus is the messiah..he would have existed before time as an angel..who else could he have been in Gods unseen kingdom...the bible says he was the Son of ***...which makes sense..as *** is quoted as saying"This is my only begotten Son...of whom I'm am well pleased"

Jesus is an Angel made in the flesh...a messenger of *** Jehovah

He was "the word of ***" meaning *** spoke through him

The telepathy part of the quote..was an explanation of this.

Ok AIG,I'll put it to you this way....If I could send my thoughts to you(telepathically) and you speak my very words...does that make you me? No it does not!!!..thats why jesus was trying to teach these idiots(Jews and later some christians) it in parables...because it was like trying to teach a bunch of neanderthals advanced spiritual concepts(which is really simple).

That is why Jesus is Known as "the word of ***"(logos) Gods mouth piece.

The messiah can not teach anything unless it came from ***...that would mean the messiah would have to be one with ***(linked telepathically spiritually) e.g speak the mind of ***...this does not mean he(Jesus) is ***, but a messenger or spokesmen...where does the message come from?...it would have to be taught and transmitted to Jesus(he often communicates with the father)..just like the prophets.

Their are passages in the new testament that some Jews mistakenly thought Jesus as a prophet...like saying he was prophet elijah returned(Technically he can be construed as one)..but he was foretold messiah...the jews of the time were of the old testament and under Roman occupation so they thought that the messiah(jesus) was coming to free them..if they read the old testament concerning the messiah properly..that was not the messiahs mission.

In the old testament *** says that the messiah will come out of the line of David.Thats why there is a geneology in the new testament to prove that indeed that mary and joseph were from the tribe of Judah(Davids tribe).

Um... hope that helps

 
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Ok Mr X,you've confused me even more.Now Jesus was an angel?What the **** should I believe when each of you are telling me diiferent things.I honestly wish to understand but you guys are doing a poor job of it.

What was Jesus to you? ***?man?angel?son

Even your religion has confused itself!

Why does the single aspect of One *** scare you so much?Why is it so unbelievable that *** Almighty cannot have the same attributes as us?
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I'll weigh in here. It's getting interesting.

"What was Jesus to you?" Good question, AIG.

To my mind, Jesus was a carpenter, just like me. A builder and creator.

Unlike me, Jesus had no power tools. Hence, He would have been built like a brick shithouse, with hands of steel, and shoulders of muscle. Completely opposite to the effete depictions of Him found in Catholic idolatry and images.

Up to the age of 29 (I think) he laboured for a living, working with his hands.

He also saw through the corruption and greed that passed for a "religion" back then. Funny how times change? Not.

Remember how Jesus stormed into the "temple" and overturned all those money-changing tables, and furiously vented his spleen on those "priests"?

Remember how that tax-collector copped such a bagging off Jesus, that whenever he saw Jesus coming down the road, he would climb a tree to hide?

A Roman-paid tax-collector ***** his pants at the sight of this Jesus bloke, and avoids him like the plague, eventually giving up his position to follow Jesus?

To me, Jesus was one ******-off ****, and the people who followed him did not do so because he turned the other cheek, and humbled himself before the established mores. They followed him because he had the guts to stand up to arseholes, including corrupt leaders of the church, and he was big and mean enough to put the fear of *** Himself into anyone he chose to target.

Why was he killed? Tall poppy syndrome. He started a people's action group that was destabilising the gov, and the church. Simple **** really. It's still happening today.

Don't be thinking Jesus was a malnourished feeble, with shining puppy-dog eyes. He was a fierce, menacing, take-no-****, kinda bloke, with a stare that could melt your resolve, and make you think about tossing away all of your belongings, just to tag along in his wake.

My two cents. ;)

 
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hahahaha builder, that really helps...that was more like fiddy cents worth. :D
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fiddy cents? :D Don't get me started now. I cringe at how the churches portray this bloke now.

Remember this one too. Jesus carried his own cross. It was made from hardwood 6 inches square, 12 feet long and 5 wide (roughly) It possibly would have weighed 300 pounds.

Could the skinny, kindly, namby-pamby Jesus have lugged that ****?

http://www.rayandtrixie.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jesusred7.jpg

I don't think so. I think he was more like this one.

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Oh my! Thanks boys that really helps.

Mr X I agree with you on something that you believe.Jesus was not *** but he was a messanger of ***.He spoke the words of *** to the people,but was definately not ***.Although I still don't believe he was an angel or the son of ***.I believe he was just a man and a Prophet of ***.

Builder I have no idea if Jesus was the incredible hulk that you describe him to be,but I also doubt he was as feeble as they make him out to be in their pictures. :D

 
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I'm not trying to get into a huge debate here but, I am of the Trinitarian belief for these reasons,
Daniel 7:13-14

Mark 2:3-12

2 Corinthians 5:21

Colossians 2:9

There are more if anyone is interested.
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Yeah I thought my post would bring out the trinitarians...so ok(excuse me AIG ,take a break)

Daniel 7:13-14(NIV)

"In my vision at night I looked,and there before me was like the son of man,coming with the clouds of heaven.He approached the ancient of days and was led in to his presence.He was given authority,glory and sovereign power; all peoples,nations and men of every language worshipped him

His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away,and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Question:Who is the"ancient of days"?...It sez also "...and was led to his presence"..um who's presence?(emphasis on "his")

Ancient of days ="...led into his presence" this means the"ancient of days is a "he"="his" thats two different people present....how can I approach myself or be led to myself?(thats if you believe Jesus is ***)

"He was given authority,glory and sovereign power...." question:Who gave him[Jesus] authority? who is the giver?

2 Corinthians5:21(NIV)

*** made him who had no sin to be a sin for us,so that in him we might become the righteousness of ***

It sez "*** MADE HIM.."...not *** made himself..

Collossians 2:9 (NIV)

For in christ all the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form

christ means anointed...who anointed him?...man or angel or ***...or himself?

Jesus the anointed one was given wisdom and power of ***..evident in the miracles and raising of lazarus but used it sparingly and relied on reasoning with the Jewish scholars.

I won't quote the other as it's basically saying "given authority etc"

Yes please quote some more WBM

Btw WBM If Jesus is ***..then why did he bow down on his knees to pray to *** in heaven(mt of olives)..if he is *** himself? *** on bended knee?

What is with the chit chat between *** and son if they are both the same person? don't you find that a little crazy?

 
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