McCain chooses Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin for V.P.

[wez]

I applaud your idealism, but the fact remains that you live in a world that is ruled by men killing men and the consequences of thier rule... Your freedom is a fortunate consequence of the country you live in and the culture that we have enjoyed as a people thus far... Freedom, to whatever extent you have it, is afforded to you by our nation's willingness to fight others...
You may not agree with killing people, but don't ever underestimate the effectivness of a mass grave at securing a peacefull border... We live under a blanket of security that other provided if not with war itself, with the spector of it...

You may not agree with it, but respect it...

Their only role is to diminish my freedom of thought through fear, I choose to not allow it, or respect it. My country doesn't provide it, it hinders it. I aint afraid to die. I can be thankful they hinder it less than others, maybe. I wouldn't know. I had a chemistry professor last year that told me she had more freedom in Iran, her homeland, than she had here. I had no reason not to believe she felt that way.

I guess I can be thankful and respect the fact that I have never been popular and influential enough in my country to warrent being murdered or jailed by my countrymen for suggesting another perspective like Martin Luther King, the poor ******* that said the Earth was round, Jesus and Galileo.

Whoever thinks fear = respect and might = right is a dumbass.

 

[Old Salt]

A question for you, wez. And then I'll get out of the middle of your conversation.

In your opinion, was the Revolutionary War and the subsequent Constitution and BILL OF RIGHTS a good thing? Or a bad thing?

 

[Fullauto]

Their only role is to diminish my freedom of thought through fear, I choose to not allow it, or respect it. My country doesn't provide it, it hinders it. I aint afraid to die. I can be thankful they hinder it less than others, maybe. I wouldn't know. I had a chemistry professor last year that told me she had more freedom in Iran, her homeland, than she had here. I had no reason not to believe she felt that way.
I guess I can be thankful and respect the fact that I have never been popular and influential enough in my country to warrent being murdered or jailed by my countrymen for suggesting another perspective like Martin Luther King, the poor ******* that said the Earth was round, Jesus and Galileo.

Whoever thinks fear = respect and might = right is a dumbass.

I am a White nationalist, so I will NOT stand here and tell you that this country is a completely free nation and will tolerate any speech or thought... But, I can tell you with a fair bit of authority that Iran DOES NOT have more freedom than we do... At least not when it comes to speaking out against the established government...

BUT... You reallly should separate what you feel is ideal versus what is a systemic truth... whether you want it to be or not, fear does equal respect... at least at face value... and might does make right, so far as winners right the history books...

The truth is, what we want to be true and what is true are two completely different things... and the faster we wrap our minds around that, the faster we can solve many of the problems that we spend so much time ******** about...

 

[wez]

A question for you, wez. And then I'll get out of the middle of your conversation.
In your opinion, was the Revolutionary War and the subsequent Constitution and BILL OF RIGHTS a good thing? Or a bad thing?

The principle behind it was good, the method not so good, but understandable. The bill of rights in principle is a good thing, and in practice is quite lacking. The Constitution is good in principle, and in practice is a bad joke. We have now become what we fought against in the Revolution, and then some. A nightmare of hypocrisy. Such is life.

 

[wez]

I am a White nationalist, so I will NOT stand here and tell you that this country is a completely free nation and will tolerate any speech or thought... But, I can tell you with a fair bit of authority that Iran DOES NOT have more freedom than we do... At least not when it comes to speaking out against the established government...
BUT... You reallly should separate what you feel is ideal versus what is a systemic truth... whether you want it to be or not, fear does equal respect... at least at face value... and might does make right, so far as winners right the history books...

The truth is, what we want to be true and what is true are two completely different things... and the faster we wrap our minds around that, the faster we can solve many of the problems that we spend so much time ******** about...

She lived in Iran most her life.. and here for a good amount of time. I suspect you've never lived in Iran? "Freedom" is relative. There is no seperation of any truth.. good or bad, it is what it is and I will do my best always to see it for what it is and decide for myself what it is I see. What is true is always true no matter how many people say otherwise, no matter how many times they say it, or no matter how many people they kill to "prove" it.

Fear = respect to the extent you allow it to. To me, they are polar opposites.

Fear leads to hate.. Respect leads to love.

 

[Fullauto]

She lived in Iran most her life.. and here for a good amount of time. I suspect you've never lived in Iran? "Freedom" is relative. There is no seperation of any truth.. good or bad, it is what it is and I will do my best always to see it for what it is and decide for myself what it is I see. What is true is always true no matter how many people say otherwise, no matter how many times they say it, or no matter how many people they kill to "prove" it.
Fear = respect to the extent you allow it to. To me, they are polar opposites.

Fear leads to hate.. Respect leads to love.

Being a former member of the Air Force, I have been all over the world, but not to Iran... But I can tell you that freedom is indeed ralative... EG... you were free to criticize anyone you wanted to in the Soviet regime, but not the communist party... so I guess, as long as you were a communist, you were free... It's kinda the same in this country whether people want to believe it or not...

Fear is indeed opposite of true respect... But to everyone else except the fearing or the repected, they are the same... or at least, they produce the same results.

4 quaters is NOT a dollar... but it will buy the same ...

but you are right

 

[ImWithStupid]

My freedom comes from my creator.. free will.. Not men killing men or living in fear only to say what I think other people think I should think. I'm sorry but killing people goes against everything I believe in. Doesn't mean I don't care about the young men and women who think they're doing the right thing because old people lie and ask them to die for them and rally the country to cheer em on all the way to the grave with the promise of hero status and 17 virgins..

Reaping the rewards, i.e. your freedoms, provided by the willingness of the defenders of your freedom to kill to privide it for those that are unwilling, is in it's base, support of those actions. You may never admit it, but it's fact.

It's quite obvious that you have never traveled abroad and seen what happenes to nations that aren't willing to fight.

Show me where I bashed anyone.. matter of fact, go take over for IWS on that McCain/Mengele debate.. He went MIA.. You know the one.. please explain.

I was going to argue on the side of Mengele but the whole thing was quite trite and meaningless. I figured I'd drop it knowing full well you wouldn't and I was right. Won back my money on the religious quote bet.

 

[wez]

Being a former member of the Air Force, I have been all over the world, but not to Iran... But I can tell you that freedom is indeed ralative... EG... you were free to criticize anyone you wanted to in the Soviet regime, but not the communist party... so I guess, as long as you were a communist, you were free... It's kinda the same in this country whether people want to believe it or not...
Fear is indeed opposite of true respect... But to everyone else except the fearing or the repected, they are the same... or at least, they produce the same results.

4 quaters is NOT a dollar... but it will buy the same ...

but you are right

They are not the same and do not produce the same results, but rather the opposite. Respect produces peace, love and understanding.

Fear produces hate and sudden, violent explosions as well as drawn out occupations of death with an illusionary, false sense of security and paranoia for varying periods in between.

but you are right.

Not to sound like an arrogant ***, but... I know.

and thank you..

 

[wez]

Reaping the rewards, i.e. your freedoms, provided by the willingness of the defenders of your freedom to kill to privide it for those that are unwilling, is in it's base, support of those actions. You may never admit it, but it's fact.

Other men do not give me my freedom.. they can only try to take it away. I may not be willing to kill for it, but would certainly die for it. Free will.

Isn't it odd that the way they claim to give it to me, is the way they try to take it away?

It's quite obvious that you have never traveled abroad and seen what happenes to nations that aren't willing to fight.

They quietly get swallowed by countries like mine and sh t out the other end while no one notices? (See Panama vid)

Perhaps if some actual journalists still existed in the world they may think twice about it.

I was going to argue on the side of Mengele but the whole thing was quite trite and meaningless. I figured I'd drop it knowing full well you wouldn't and I was right. Won back my money on the religious quote bet.

Meaningless eh? I aint letting you out now. Lets go.. I'll take John.. if your defense skills for Joe suck, I'll help ya out.

You can begin by defining the difference.. give us a starting point. Bombs vs. a scalpel.. epic.

 

[jokersarewild]

So, anyway, back to the thread subject...(vaguely)

I saw a good chunk of Palin (TV out partway through), and all of Guliani. Palin's speech appeared to be akin to Guliani's: "no ur a ***!!!111!!!".

Palin's speech's point was to tell the world that Obama/Biden are the bad guys. It wasn't horribly delivered, but it was still tacky. Not as tacky as Guliani, of course, but still bad.

BTW, why do they let Guliani talk? All he does is make the party look like a bunch of sarcastic ********. He gives speeches like I'd expect Lewis Black to, but less hilarious.

The funniest part of both of their speeches, however, was the "Obama will raise taxes and McCain will lower them" chunk. Omitted qualifiers:

"Obama will raise taxes"...for the rich.

"McCain will lower taxes"...for the rich.

I'm sitting here about to watch his speech, preparing for him to spout it. I'm actually expecting him to fail, but I might be mildly surprised.

 

[ImWithStupid]

So, anyway, back to the thread subject...(vaguely)
I saw a good chunk of Palin (TV out partway through), and all of Guliani. Palin's speech appeared to be akin to Guliani's: "no ur a ***!!!111!!!".

Palin's speech's point was to tell the world that Obama/Biden are the bad guys. It wasn't horribly delivered, but it was still tacky. Not as tacky as Guliani, of course, but still bad.

BTW, why do they let Guliani talk? All he does is make the party look like a bunch of sarcastic ********. He gives speeches like I'd expect Lewis Black to, but less hilarious.

The funniest part of both of their speeches, however, was the "Obama will raise taxes and McCain will lower them" chunk. Omitted qualifiers:

"Obama will raise taxes"...for the rich.

"McCain will lower taxes"...for the rich.

I'm sitting here about to watch his speech, preparing for him to spout it. I'm actually expecting him to fail, but I might be mildly surprised.

It's hard to take political advice about taxes and responsibility from someone who still lives in their mother's basement.

 

[eddo]

BTW, why do they let Guliani talk?

That is a **** good question, and one that I have no idea the answer too.

It's hard to take political advice about taxes and responsibility from someone who still lives in their mother's basement.

DAAAYYYYUUUUMMMMNNNN!!!!

 

[snafu]

...The funniest part of both of their speeches, however, was the "Obama will raise taxes and McCain will lower them" chunk. Omitted qualifiers:

"Obama will raise taxes"...for the rich.

"McCain will lower taxes"...for the rich.

I'm sitting here about to watch his speech, preparing for him to spout it. I'm actually expecting him to fail, but I might be mildly surprised.

Now our opponents tell you not to worry about their tax increases. They tell you they are not going to tax your family. No, they?re just going to tax ?businesses.? So unless you buy something from a ?business,? like groceries or clothes or gasoline... or unless you get a paycheck from a big or a small ?business,? don?t worry... it?s not going to affect you. They say they are not going to take any water out of your side of the bucket, just the ?other? side of the bucket! That?s their idea of tax reform.? ?Fred Thompson

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