NO EVIDENCE OF GODS

[Free Lunch]

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:42:16 +0800, in alt.atheism
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
<45eb800e$0$30102$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>news:e7ghu2li7og5pchn1mj0eu3q8s97anmkol@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 02:05:05 +0800, in alt.atheism
>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
>>>
>>> Which "liberties" are those? And does Bush really "destroy" them?
>>> Prove
>>>it.
>>
>> I guess you haven't been following the President's decision to use the
>> NSA to spy in a way that is not allowed in the US. Too bad. It's scary
>> that people who don't even know what our president has been doing are
>> willing to give him the benefit of the doubt just because he makes a big
>> noise about being a Christian. I don't believe him for a minute, but
>> apparently he's only trying to con Christians.
>>
>>>Jesus is waiting to get your attention.
>>
>> There is no evidence that Jesus exists.
>>
> Jesus resurrected in all our hearts and minds, only atheists make a
>point of ignoring Him.

I guess I have to repeat this because you clearly are unwilling to
acknowledge this fact: There is no evidence that Jesus exists. You can
make any claim you like, but you don't have any evidence and you know
you don't have any evidence.

 

[jl]

On Mar 5, 5:42 pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
[...]
> >> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>
> > Which version?
>
> Which one do you have in mind?

The one I have in mind is especially nasty. It demands you to love
this hateful deity Jehovah then threatens you, your children,
grandchildren, great grandchildren, and great-great grandchildren with
horrid curses if you don't love him.Talk about putting the fuggin fear
of gawd in somebody.

And the van geliculls demand that this commandment be plastered on
schoolhouse walls and then cry they're persecuted if they don't get
their way.

 

[Scott Richter]

Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

> > Because our world is under assault by religious groups who invoke their
> > superstitions to control what others think and do. Did you miss 9/11?
> > Have you not listened to Pat Robertson and other power mad evangelicals?
> > Have you not watched the creationists trying to take America back to the
> > Dark Ages? Have you not heard the suicide bombers screaming "God is
> > great"?
> > It is increasingly clear that religion is a plague on civilization, so
> > why would we "stay away" from such an important issue?
> >
> So what are you advocating? Should we all just do what comes natural? Or
> should we all become atheists each inventing his own brand of morality,
> ethics, common sense, logic and reason, and most of all not listen to anyone
> who advocates a consensus on the meaning of good behaviour, such as Jesus
> Christ?

How typical. You ask a question and then immediately attack without
waiting for an answer. Saves me the time of writing a response that your
rage would blind you to anyways...

 

[Scott Richter]

Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

> "Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1hue7f7.1snh7swcxfzxbN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com...
> > Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> >> So now we are told thet there "is no such thing" as profanity, and
> >> >> according to atheists dictionaries and Bibles are lying, for only
> >> >> atheists know the truth, ...only privately so however, for they can't
> >> >> seem to evidence this truth.
> >> >
> >> > Atheists are not 'all knowing', but they do use their common sense and
> >> > logic - THAT is the big difference
> >> >
> >> There is no way values on the scale of good vs. evil, can be
> >> determined
> >> by "common sense and logic".
> >
> > Nor can be it determined by nonsense and superstition. But that hasn't
> > stopped you from trying, now has it?
> >
> Neither you parents telling you to be a "good boy" without explaining
> logically what they mean, nor Jesus Christ's commandments to love are
> "nonsense" nor "superstition".

Actually, Jesus' commandments ARE superstitions, in that they have
become completely mythologized over the past two millenia. And the
nonsense part, well, you typify that better than most anyone...


> You just never thought about this, for you are here not to think, but to
> condemn, are you not?

I'm here precisely BECAUSE I have thought about this.

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 5, 8:44�am, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 11:36 pm, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Richo" <m.richard...@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
>
> >news:1173060933.990849.262500@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Mar 4, 6:05 pm, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > "Scott Richter" <scottrichter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:1hue729.pr88setfk8njN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com...
>
> > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > No Evidence of God?? Is this a claim?
>
> > > Yes.
>
> > > > If so, whose responsibility
> > > > is

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 5, 11:48?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> On 4 Mar., 17:21, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1173018520.978855.246000@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Mar 4, 12:05?am, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > > "Scott Richter" <scottrichter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> snip
>
> > > Matthew 10:14
> > > And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye
> > > depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
>
> > Christians who do not heed this verse are in violation of the very
> > faith they profess. There is no Biblical authorization to "shove ones
> > religion down the throat of another person". An atheist who wants
> > a defense against over-bearing proselytizers should be able to
> > point to this verse as a defense
>
> We have, and, just like you and the inane champion of the world
> (little Winn), they ignore it.

Well, as I told you before, that was Christ's instruction to his
twelve apostles. I am not an apostle.
I am just an ordinary person quoting verses from Isaiah.
Robert B. Winn

 

[Scott Richter]

Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

> > There is no evidence that Jesus exists.
> >
> There is plenty of evidence "that Jesus exists"

Should be past tense--existed--but anyway...

Assuming Jesus did in fact exist long ago, how does this differ from the
billions of other people who existed before and after him?


> and lives in your heart and mind

No, that's just your religious addiction talking. You've been
brainwashed to worship this one guy who may or may not have actually
existed. I guess you have a hard time understanding people who haven't
been similarly brainwashed, can you?


> yet you are intent on ignoring Him. Why is that?

For the same reason I can ignore the billions of other people.

Is simple logic really this difficult for you?

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 5, 3:35�pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>
wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 4, 12:05?am, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >>"Scott Richter" <scottrichter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1hue729.pr88setfk8njN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com...
>
> >>>rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> >>No Evidence of God?? Is this a claim? If so, whose responsibility
> >>is ?proof? ?I would contend there is no way to prove such a
> >>claim, therefore, the claimant would likely attempt to shift the
> >>responsibility to those whom he considers his opponents.
>
> >>>>>>>>Well, you are an apostate Christian. ?That means you are more
> >>>>>>>>dishonest than a person who was raised atheist.
> >>>>>>>>Robert B. Winn
>
> >>>>>>>On the contrary, my dear Winnie, the ex-Christian has turned away
>
> >>from
>
> >>>>>>>dishonesty and embraced truth. ?He is to be more admired and
>
> >>esteemed
>
> >>>>>>>for having grappled himself up out of the stifling quicksands of
> >>>>>>>religion and walked in the verdant and enlightened fields of
>
> >>atheism.
>
> >>>>>>Well, if you atheists are so happy, why can't you stay away from
> >>>>>>trying to discredit religion?
>
> >>>>>Because our world is under assault by religious groups who invoke
>
> >>their
>
> >>>>>superstitions to control what others think and do. Did you miss 9/11?
> >>>>>Have you not listened to Pat Robertson and other power mad
>
> >>evangelicals?
>
> >>>>>Have you not watched the creationists trying to take America back to
>
> >>the
>
> >>>>>Dark Ages? Have you not heard the suicide bombers screaming "God is
> >>>>>great"?
>
> >>>>>It is increasingly clear that religion is a plague on civilization, so
> >>>>>why would we "stay away" from such an important issue?
>
> >>>>I see. ?Well, we Christians are supposed to return good for evil, so
> >>>>here is a verse from Isaiah to brighten your day.
>
> >>>It appears that you confuse talk about evil with the evil itself, and
> >>>that you do not recognize yourself in that evil.
>
> >>>>Isaiah3:13 ?The Lord standeth up to plead, and standeth to judge the
> >>>>people.
>
> >>>And so you retreat to your warm fairy tales.
>
> >>>Interesting choice of verse, by the way. After all, Christianity (as
> >>>most religions) employs judgement has a primary tool of control. As I've
> >>>said before, Christians all seem to LOVE to judge people; I guess you're
> >>>no exception...- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > Atheists reject the Bible and say it proves nothing even though some
> > will actually admit that the Bible exists.

 

[Sippuuden]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 5, 11:48?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
>> On 4 Mar., 17:21, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> news:1173018520.978855.246000@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 4, 12:05?am, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "Scott Richter" <scottrichter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> snip
>>
>>>> Matthew 10:14
>>>> And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye
>>>> depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
>>>
>>> Christians who do not heed this verse are in violation of the very
>>> faith they profess. There is no Biblical authorization to "shove ones
>>> religion down the throat of another person". An atheist who wants
>>> a defense against over-bearing proselytizers should be able to
>>> point to this verse as a defense
>>
>> We have, and, just like you and the inane champion of the world
>> (little Winn), they ignore it.
>
> Well, as I told you before, that was Christ's instruction to his
> twelve apostles. I am not an apostle.
> I am just an ordinary person quoting verses from Isaiah.
> Robert B. Winn
>
Logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis:

"An ad hoc hypothesis is one created to explain away facts that seem to
refute one

 

[Scott Richter]

Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

> >> Are you simple minded, that you should believe Satan's minions who
> >> claim to be followers of Christ, yet do the opposite from what Christ
> >> commanded, as well as justify doing so. That's why Jesus said: By their
> >> actions ye shall know them. Yet you believe their words instead of
> >> their actions?
> >
> > If someone claims to be a Christian, constantly prays to Jesus, and
> > employs the words of Christ to justify their actions, then he is a
> > Christian, period.
> > The problem, however, is that you apparently can't reconcile the fact
> > that those actions often are heinous acts of violence. But an evil
> > Christian is still a Christian, because he still inhabits the fantasy
> > world you all share...
> >
> Look up the word "Christian" in you dictionary. It means FOLLOWERS OF
> CHRIST. Not someone who merely calls himself that, but does the opposite
> from what Christ preached, as well as justify such action.

Sorry, Frank, but you don't get to define who is or isn't a Christian. I
understand you don't want to accept that there are many evil Christians,
but that is an irrefutable fact.

"When people over seven years old have imaginary friends, there's going
to be trouble, they're going to be killing somebody..."
-- Penn Jillette

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 5, 8:13 pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 5, 11:48?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> >> On 4 Mar., 17:21, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>news:1173018520.978855.246000@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Mar 4, 12:05?am, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Scott Richter" <scottrichter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> snip
>
> >>>> Matthew 10:14
> >>>> And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye
> >>>> depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
>
> >>> Christians who do not heed this verse are in violation of the very
> >>> faith they profess. There is no Biblical authorization to "shove ones
> >>> religion down the throat of another person". An atheist who wants
> >>> a defense against over-bearing proselytizers should be able to
> >>> point to this verse as a defense
>
> >> We have, and, just like you and the inane champion of the world
> >> (little Winn), they ignore it.
>
> > Well, as I told you before, that was Christ's instruction to his
> > twelve apostles. I am not an apostle.
> > I am just an ordinary person quoting verses from Isaiah.
> > Robert B. Winn
>
> Logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis:
>
> "An ad hoc hypothesis is one created to explain away facts that seem to
> refute one's theory." -- http://skepdic.com/adhoc.html- Hide quoted text -
>
We speak English here in the United States. Latin is a dead language
used by people who have nothing to say.
Robert B. Winn

 

[Scott Richter]

Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:


> > "Actual power"? You must be kidding. Don't you know amor vincit
> >omnia? Show me something that has more power than love.
>
> I didn't realize that you worshipped Aphrodite.

Apparently, Frank is an old hippie... Who knew?

But to answer Frank's question: An M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tank...

 

[Scott Richter]

rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:

> > If you want to judge people, you should at least have the character to
> > do so directly, rather than hiding behind Biblical figures.
> >
> > But you miss the key point of your own sentence--Isaiah is NOT living
> > today. You and I are. And I have no interest in talking to the dead
> > because they are notoriously poor conversationalists.
> >
> Not as poor as atheists.

Sure thing, little fella. Now why don't you go into the other room and
watch some cartoons so the adults can talk...

 

[Scott Richter]

rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:

> Latin is a dead language used by people who have nothing to say.

Much like quoting from the Bible...

 

[Michael Gray]

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:42:01 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <lK6dnd916aE-AXHYnZ2dnUVZ_r_inZ2d@ptd.net>
>Michael Gray wrote:
>> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:07:11 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>> wrote:
>> - Refer: <FOidnYaw9ND0G3HYnZ2dnUVZ_sDinZ2d@ptd.net>
>>> Pastor Frank wrote:
>>>> "stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:N7OdnXGAFvDSUXTYnZ2dnUVZ_rjinZ2d@ptd.net...
>>>>> Pastor Frank wrote:
>>>>>> "stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eumdnS9prupYvHrYnZ2dnUVZ_qrinZ2d@ptd.net...
>>>>>>> Pastor Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:1172556961.386584.45770@z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 8:25?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I don't. I just think it's amusing how childish you are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have never thought you were amusing. And you are not childish. You
>>>>>>>> are evil.
>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> These insults are just refuting ploys by Satan's minions to make
>>>>>>>> people STOP talking about Jesus. Will we let them? Hell NO!!!! We will
>>>>>>>> shout His most holy and perfect name from the roof tops if need be, and
>>>>>>>> no atheists are going to stop us!!!!!
>>>>>>> Just like suicide bombers in Iraq?
>>>>>>> ~Stumper
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notice the Golden Rule of Christ below. Are you telling us you would
>>>>>> never become a terrorist were your country bombed and invaded. Would you
>>>>>> be suitably shocked and awed and become immediately compliant and docile?
>>>>>> If not that, what would you do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pastor Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The most important, yet most ignored commandments of Christ, which
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> make war, if not ALL of man's inhumanity to man extinct, nay totally
>>>>>> unthinkable:
>>>>>> THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
>>>>>> Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
>>>>>> heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
>>>>>> strength: this is the first commandment.
>>>>>> 31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
>>>>>> as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
>>>>>> Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
>>>>>> commandments."
>>>>>> THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST, or Ethic of Reciprocity
>>>>>> Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that
>>>>>> men
>>>>>> should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
>>>>> First thing first. Would you stone adulterers?
>>>>> ~Stumper
>>>>>
>>>> That's a stupid question about Judaism. Jesus saved the adulteress from
>>>> getting stoned. But then some butt heads like getting stoned, ...and pay
>>>> good money for it too!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>
>> Which version?
>>
>
>Which one do you have in mind?

Ve ask ze qvestions here!

There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
"rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.

--

 

[Michael Gray]

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:13:03 -0800, Sippuuden <sipp@macrosoft.net>
wrote:
- Refer: <j6SdnbyJ15LcQXHYnZ2dnUVZ_uXinZ2d@comcast.com>
>rbwinn wrote:
>> On Mar 5, 11:48?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
>>> On 4 Mar., 17:21, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> news:1173018520.978855.246000@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>> On Mar 4, 12:05?am, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Scott Richter" <scottrichter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> snip
>>>
>>>>> Matthew 10:14
>>>>> And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye
>>>>> depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
> >>>
>>>> Christians who do not heed this verse are in violation of the very
>>>> faith they profess. There is no Biblical authorization to "shove ones
>>>> religion down the throat of another person". An atheist who wants
>>>> a defense against over-bearing proselytizers should be able to
>>>> point to this verse as a defense
> >>
>>> We have, and, just like you and the inane champion of the world
>>> (little Winn), they ignore it.
>>
>> Well, as I told you before, that was Christ's instruction to his
>> twelve apostles. I am not an apostle.
>> I am just an ordinary person quoting verses from Isaiah.
>> Robert B. Winn
>>
>Logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis:
>
>"An ad hoc hypothesis is one created to explain away facts that seem to
>refute one’s theory." -- http://skepdic.com/adhoc.html

One has to actually have a theory in the first place.
Bobby has only crazed schizophrenic ramblings.

--

 

[duke]

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:49:22 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:

>Of course there is "evidence".
>Ask any believer.
>His/her answer is evidence there is a "god" --
>created and residing inside his/her mind. -- L.

Can you offer support that there is no God?

duke, American-American

"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 5, 10:39?pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > If you want to judge people, you should at least have the character to
> > > do so directly, rather than hiding behind Biblical figures.
>
> > > But you miss the key point of your own sentence--Isaiah is NOT living
> > > today. You and I are. And I have no interest in talking to the dead
> > > because they are notoriously poor conversationalists.
>
> > Not as poor as atheists.
>
> Sure thing, little fella. Now why don't you go into the other room and
> watch some cartoons so the adults can talk...

Are you claiming to be an adult? As one of you atheists would say,
you have shown no evidence. Why don't you go play your game with
someone else?
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 5, 11:53?pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > Latin is a dead language used by people who have nothing to say.
>
> Much like quoting from the Bible...

Well, Jesus Christ said, Search the scriptures, for in them ye think
ye have eternal life. He did not say anything about the dead words of
lawyers except that lawyers lade people with burdens heavy to be
borne, but they themselves will not help to bear the burden.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 6, 2:40 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:13:03 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
> wrote:
> - Refer: <j6SdnbyJ15LcQXHYnZ2dnUVZ_uXin...@comcast.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> >rbwinn wrote:
> >> On Mar 5, 11:48?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> >>> On 4 Mar., 17:21, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>>news:1173018520.978855.246000@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mar 4, 12:05?am, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Scott Richter" <scottrichter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> snip
>
> >>>>> Matthew 10:14
> >>>>> And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye
> >>>>> depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
>
> >>>> Christians who do not heed this verse are in violation of the very
> >>>> faith they profess. There is no Biblical authorization to "shove ones
> >>>> religion down the throat of another person". An atheist who wants
> >>>> a defense against over-bearing proselytizers should be able to
> >>>> point to this verse as a defense
>
> >>> We have, and, just like you and the inane champion of the world
> >>> (little Winn), they ignore it.
>
> >> Well, as I told you before, that was Christ's instruction to his
> >> twelve apostles. I am not an apostle.
> >> I am just an ordinary person quoting verses from Isaiah.
> >> Robert B. Winn
>
> >Logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis:
>
> >"An ad hoc hypothesis is one created to explain away facts that seem to
> >refute one's theory." -- http://skepdic.com/adhoc.html
>
> One has to actually have a theory in the first place.
> Bobby has only crazed schizophrenic ramblings.
>
You were the ones who were trying to promote me to the position of
apostle. You have no authority to make any such promotion. I am not
being sent with the same responsibility the apostles were given. I
have yet to see you use any verse of the Bible in context. All you
ever do is take random verses and apply them according to your
interpretation.
Robert B. Winn