NO EVIDENCE OF GODS

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 7, 9:29?pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > Any time atheists get too pushy, I quote some verses from Isaiah. ?That
> > > gets rid of most of them.
> >
> > I guess that's your version of sticking your fingers in your ears and
> > yelling "LA, LA, LA, LA...."
> >
> > Ending a conversation by being an obnoxious fool. Your mother must be so
> > proud...
>
> No, she is not a proud person.

Of course not; no reason to be.

 

[JessHC]

stumper wrote:
> Michael Gray wrote:
> > On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:58:19 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
> > wrote:
> > - Refer: <oumdnZlvocZvCW3YnZ2dnUVZ_ujinZ2d@ptd.net>
> >> Are you always logical and reasonable?
> >
> > Not always.
> > Especially when I am being annoyed by pointlessly disconnected
> > chakra-babble from an infant-school philosopher.
> >
> > You never did answer my question as to whether or not you were lying
> > when you implied that you are an atheist.
> > But then again, I do not expect to get any form of reality or honesty
> > from you.
> > I see that you have not disappointed me in that respect.
> >
> > I think that I have got better things to do than engage in a battle of
> > wits with an unarmed opponent.
>
> Unlike some clueless people, I don't feel the need to answer all questions once and for all.

Since you don't bother to substantively answer any, that works out.

> Things change. People change. Knowledge increases. Science gets better.
> Even theology advances.

How?

> You would feel a lot better once you learn to live with uncertainty.

Yes, that's one of the benefits of being an atheist; we don't wallow
in the false comfort of the promise of a super sky daddy who'll
protect us from himself.

> Do you know when you are going to die?

There's a relevant question.

 

[JessHC]

stumper wrote:
> Michael Gray wrote:
> > On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:19:03 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
> > wrote:
> >> How do you know that you exist?
> >> Do you even know what you are?
> >
> > ****ing idiot.
> >
> > I was right:
> > You are an annoying and pointless wanker.
> >
>
> I gather you didn't read widely.

You mean woo-woo books?

> But that would not excuse your bad manners.

So "wide reading" is your excuse for yours?

> Is your life worth living?

Life is MORE valuable without deities.

 

[Mettas Mother]

Why not?

"JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
news:1173453343.449350.178880@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mettas Mother wrote:
> > Not in yours?
> No.
>

 

[JessHC]

stumper wrote:
> Michael Gray wrote:
> > What does that have to with your meaningless phrase:
> > "Rather like Nothingness to some."??
> > (Apart from more philosophical bullshit, that is.)
> >
> > Just what is your goal here?
> > You are like an intellectual mosquito.
> > Distracting, mildly annoying, a completely useless parasite, and when
> > any light is shone on the subject, you are nowhere to be seen.
>
> I'm here to lessen the needless suffering of some people.

Whose suffering do you think you're lessening?

> What is your issue?

People who think they know how to "lessen the needless suffering of
some people."

 

[JessHC]

Pastor Frank wrote:
> "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
> news:45EC96DA.7A18@armory.com...
> > Pastor Frank wrote:
> >>
> >> "Actual power"? You must be kidding. Don't you know amor vincit
> >> omnia?
> >> Show me something that has more power than love.
> > -----------------
> > That's just another crap phrase people recite because they might
> > wish it so, but "love" doesn't conquer ANYTHING, that isn't what
> > it does, in the first place, and many things can destroy love quite
> > easily, torture, guns, affairs, minor squabbles, egotism, etc.
> > Steve
> >
> You are not answering the question, are you? What is more powerful that
> love?

Something that can destroy love. Bullets and hate spring to mind.

> All those things you list would only result in extinction.

Does love exists after extinction?

> Only love keeps us in being.

You mean "food and water."

 

[JessHC]

stumper wrote:
> Michael Gray wrote:
> > On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:00:35 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
> > wrote:
> > - Refer: <75WdnXqXUp7BBXLYnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@ptd.net>
> >> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net>
> >>>> JessHC wrote:
> >>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>> JessHC wrote:
> >>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Which god?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
> >>>>>>>>> No.
> >>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
> >>>>>>> Why do you ask?
> >>>>>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God does not exist.
> >>>>> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Do you know what it means
> >>>> for someone to believe in God?
> >>> Yes.
> >>> It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of
> >>> evidence.
> >>>
> >> What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"?
> >> What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"?
> >
> > How do those utterly facile questions justify your irrational belief
> > in one god out of an infinite possible selection?
>
> Who said I believe in any god?

Pretty much you did with your fuzzy questions.

> Do you even know what it is?

Doesn't matter. Atheists don't believe in them.

 

[JessHC]

Michael Gray wrote:
> On 8 Mar 2007 07:21:45 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com>
> wrote:
> - Refer: <1173367305.277033.26150@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>
> >
> >rbwinn wrote:
> >> On Mar 7, 6:24?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> >> > rbwinn wrote:
> >> > > On Mar 6, 11:06?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >> > > > On 6 Mar 2007 14:32:53 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > > ? - Refer: <1173220373.586251.210...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>
> >> > > > >So you think it's a good idea to deliberately disobey orders straight
> >> > > > >from your deity. ?How's that working out for you?
> >> >
> >> > > > The nurses tighten his jacket straps tomorrow.
> >> >
> >> > > Well, here we have people from medical science claiming to be my
> >> > > diety. ?Atheists are nothing if not inventive.
> >> >
> >> > That's an unfortunate comprehension problem you've got. ?Too much
> >> > medication, or not enough?
> >>
> >> I am fairly good at staying away from medical science.
> >
> >Too bad; you could benefit from it. For example, it might help with
> >your unfortunate comprehension problem.
>
> He's been on the run from Victor Frankenstein for some time now.

Is Vic still trying to return that abby normal brain?

 

[jl]

On Mar 8, 4:03 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1173138755.257539.70000@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 5, 5:42 pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
> > [...]
> >> >> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>
> >> > Which version?
>
> >> Which one do you have in mind?
>
> > The one I have in mind is especially nasty. It demands you to love
> > this hateful deity Jehovah then threatens you, your children,
> > grandchildren, great grandchildren, and great-great grandchildren with
> > horrid curses if you don't love him.Talk about putting the fuggin fear
> > of gawd in somebody.
> > And the van geliculls demand that this commandment be plastered on
> > schoolhouse walls and then cry they're persecuted if they don't get
> > their way.
>
> Well and dandy, so you decide to do the opposite from the 10
> commandments

Strawman alert! I was talking about the kommandment which orders me
to love your god, not about the syncretic commandments based on the
ancient creed to love your neighbor and do no harm, commandments
which btw your god doesn't obey since he commits genocide,
participates like Cthulhu in human sacrifice, and slaughters innocent
children.


, and go to jail or get killed. Great solutions you have!!!! LOL

Watch out there, strawman, you'll run out of exclamation points.

Idiot.
>

 

[jl]

On Mar 8, 3:56 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> "Free Lunch" <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>
> news:ijapu2hpqemgb5942fpgn11tc5uba0t3fu@4ax.com...> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:59:47 +0800, in alt.atheism
> > "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote in
> > <45ebceae$0$16281$88260...@free.teranews.com>:
>
> >> You need to show at least some evidence to be taken seriously. But
> >> then
> >>we all get the impression you're just chanting atheist mantras again, and
> >>that's all you aspire to.
>
> > For someone who makes all sorts of claims without ever providing a shred
> > of evidence, it's pretty rich for you to ask for evidence.
>
> When will you get serious? Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16).

No he's not. He stains the earth with innocent blood, scatters it
with poverty, starvation, war, famine, disease, and ruin; sacrifices
virgins for his own sadistic blood lust; demands on pain of blood
curses that he be loved and worshiped; shows his ass to Moses; shows
his face, his UFO and his angels to Isaiah; invests his powers in
clergy who rape, steal, murder and pillage; and giggles while David (a
man after God's own heart) commits premeditated murder and steals
another man's wife, estate, and vineyards.

Oh, and did I mention he (after getting the idea from pagan gods who
raped mortals and begat babies on them) dispatched a ghost to
fornicate with Mary against her will and knocked her up even though
she was betrothed to Joseph.

 

[codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

It all depends on what you mean by EVIDENCE and how
you search them.


On Feb 11, 5:20 pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> It is interesting to observe that there are thousands of different God
> beliefs but NO OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE ANY of these Gods actually
> exist.
>
> Quite the contrary, there is a wealth of positive objective verifiable
> evidence that no Gods actually exist.
>
> Objective evidence indicates the Universe is greater than 20 BILLION LIGHT
> YEARS in diameter. When you consider that light travels at 186,000 MILES PER
> SECOND the Universe is incomprehensible in size and by comparison, our
> World, is but a speck of dust in this vast Universe.
>
> The scientific evidence is that our World is over 4 BILLION YEARS old.
> Archaeological evidence is that man has existed on earth for approximately
> 100,000 years. When the various books of the Bible were written, most of
> mankind believed the world was flat and the Sun, Stars and Planets revolved
> around the Earth. Many believed that Christopher Columbus might sail to the
> edge of the earth, and might fall off, during his trip that discovered the
> new continent.
>
> By the 16 Th. century, scientists like Galileo, determined that the Earth,
> Stars and Planets of our solar system revolved around the Sun. This spread
> through the scientific community and the majority accepted this reality by
> the 1800's. We now know from actual evidence, the earth is but an
> inconsequential speck of dust in this unimaginably vast Universe. It is
> scientific opinion that thousands and perhaps millions of planets, similar
> to Earth, exist in this huge Universe.
>
> Man is but grains of sand on this large Earth and less than dust in this
> vast Universe. The 6 1/2 BILLION persons currently on this planet do not
> appear to be of any significant consequence in this vast Universe.
>
> In your Gods, world Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars,
> Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body malfunctions and
> starvation exist that torture both man and animals. There are 12,000 known
> ailments and diseases that torture and kill man. A similar number torture
> and plaque the rest of the animal kingdom. Thousands of destructive diseases
> affect the plant kingdom. Why would an all powerful god create all these
> diseases to torture and kill his creations??? These catastrophes affect
> people of ALL religious beliefs including TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN and
> ANIMALS!
>
> Just one small example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in West
> Africa that bores through the eyes of innocent children and causes total
> blindness for the rest of their lives. Is this evidence of a caring and
> loving creator or any competent creator for that matter???
>
> Why would any all powerful competent god permit totally innocent children to
> die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed brain,
> deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and others with
> super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others pauper poor?
> Why does he permit 2,000,000 totally innocent children to suffer and die of
> starvation each year? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate
> into a miserable and devastating old age?
>
> Why would god create a gene for vitamin C synthesis in most mammals, but
> stop it working in humans and chimps?
>
> Why would god create a lizard that reproduces by parthenogenesis, and
> still give it the need to attempt copulation?
>
> Why would god create birds without the power of flight, yet give them
> wings they cannot use?
>
> Why would god create cave-dwelling creatures that live in complete
> darkness, yet give them eyes that don't work?
>
> If an all powerful god created this, why did he make so many horrible
> mistakes and create this huge multitude of imperfections, pain and
> suffering???
>
> Why would any all powerful god create things like sharks, jelly fish,
> octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging and poisonous
> insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why would he create animals (including man)
> that need to kill and eat other animals to survive?
>
> IF there is an after life and a 'heaven' why does this all powerful, all
> caring and all loving god not permit those in his heaven to communicate the
> wonders of his heaven to their living children, relatives and friends? Why
> all the secrecy and confusion? Unproven claims by the mentally deranged and
> persons with selfish motives are not objective verifiable evidence - they
> are just unsubstantiated silly OPINIONS.
>
> Logic and common sense that refutes the existence of any omnipotent gods;
>
> Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
> Then he is not omnipotent.
> Is he able, but not willing?
> Then he is malevolent.
> Is he both able and willing?
> Then where does evil come from?
> Is he neither able nor willing?
> Then why call him a god?
>
> These god tales make no more sense than Aesop's Fables, the Harry Potter
> stories, the Wizard of Oz, or Santa Claus.
>
> The objective evidence is that gods did not create man but quite the
> opposite; man created gods!
>
> Where is ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY Gods actually exist?
>
> Following is a list of the many gods worshipped and feared by man over the
> decades.
>
> Which, if any, of these gods is the real god? If there is a real god, why
> does he not tell us directly and clearly he is the real god and all the
> others are fakes??? Why does he not smite all the fakes?
>
> Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye, Bacchus,
> Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
> Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim
> Eshu,
> Ereshkigal, Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera,
> Helios, Hel,
> Hephaestus, Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana,
> Ishtar,
> Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jesus, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos,
> Korravai,
> Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius,
> Morrigan,
> Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
> Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
> Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Saturn,
> Set, Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus,
> Vesta,
>
> Vishnu, Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus.
>
> African gods:
>
> Abassi [Sky]
> Abonsam [Evil]
> Abora [Supreme]
> Abzu [Water]
> Acoran [Supreme]
> Adaheli [Sun]
> Adro [Sky]
> Adroa [Sky]
> Agassou [Panther]
> Agbe-Naete [Water]
> Age [Animals]
> Aigamuxa [Monster]
> Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
> Aje [Wealth]
> Ajok [Supreme]
> Akonadi [Oracle]
> Akongo [Supreme]
> Akuj [Supreme]
> Ala [Earth/Fertility]
> Alatangana [Creator]
> Amma [Creator]
> Anansi [Trickster]
> Anyiewo [Snake]
> Aondo [Creator]
> Apa [Creator]
> Apedemak [War]
> Arawa [Moon]
> Arebati [Sky]
> Arom [Contracts]
> Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
> Asase Ya [Earth]
> Ashiakle [Wealth]
> Asis [Sun]
> Astar [Sky]
> Ataa Naa
> Nyongmo
> [Creator]
> Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
> Atete [Fertility]
> Avrikiti [Fishermen]
> Ayabba
> [Ayaba] [Hearth]
>
> Bacax [Cave]
> Bagba [Wind]
> Balubaal [Earth+]
> Bandara [Superior Gods]
> Banga [Clear water]
> Behanzin [Fish]
> Beher [Sea]
> Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
> Bo [Warriors]
> Bomazi[Ancestors]
> Buadza [WInd]
> Buck[River]
> Buku [Sky]
> Bumba [Creator]
>
> Cagn [Creator]
> (!Kaggen)
> Cghene [Creator]
> Chiuke
> (Chuku) [Creator]
> Chiata [Supreme]
> Chwezi [Hero]
> Col [Rain]
> Chikara [Sky]
>
> Danh
> (Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
> Deng [Sky]
> Deohako [Beans+]
> Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
> Dongo [Outer Space]
> Dugbo [Earth]
> Dxui [Creator]
>
> Emeli-hi [Supreme]
> Eranoranhan [Protector]
> Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
>
> Fa [Destiny]
> Famien [Fertility]
> Faro [Sky/Water]
> Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
>
> Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
> Gbeni [Chief]
> Gei (Gou) [Moon]
> Gu [War/Smiths]
> Gua [Sky]
> Gulu [Supreme]
> Gunab [Evil]
> Guruhi [Evil]
> Gurzil [Bull]
> Gwalu [Rain]
> Hammon [Setting Sun]
> Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
> Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
> Hevioss [Thunder]
> Huntin [Tree]
> Huvean [Creator]
>
> Ifa [Oracul]
> Ikenga [Supreme]
> Imana [Creator]
> Iruwa [Sun]
>
> Jesus [Savior]
> Juok [Creator]
> Kalumba [Creator]
> Kalunga Supreme]
> Katavi [Demonic]
> Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
> Khebieso [Lightening]
> Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
> Kholomodumo [Monster]
> Khuzwane [Creator]
> Kibuka [War]
> Kokola [Guardian]
> Kwammang-a [Supreme]
> Kwoth [Spirit]
> Kyala [Creator]
>
> Legba [Trickster]
> Leza [Chief]
> Libanza [Supreme]
> Lisa [Chameleon]
> Lyangombe[Chief]
> Macardit [Demon]
> Mantis [Creator]
> Massim-Biambe [Creator]
> Mawu [Sky]
> Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
> Mbotumbo [Supreme]
> Medr [Earth]
> Moomb [Creator]
> Mon [?]
> Mugasa
> Mugu [Sky]
> Mujaji [Rain]
> Mukasa [Supreme]
> Mula Djadi [Creator]
> Muluku [Supreme]
> Mulungu
> Mungu [Creator]
> Mungo (Mungu) [?]
> Musa (Teaching]
> Musisi [Supreme]
> Mwari [Supreme]
>
> Nampa [Personal]
> Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
> Nana Buluk [Creator]
> Ndjambi [Sky]
> Ndriananahary [Supreme]
> Nduru [Jungle]
> Nenaunir [Storm]
> Nesshoue [River]
> Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
> Ngewo-wa [Creator]
> Ngworekara [Demon]
> Niamye [Supreme]
> Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
> Nommo [Elemental]
> Nommo [Spirit]
> Nyama [Animal]
> Nyambe [Supreme]
> Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
> Nyame
> Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
> Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
> Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
> Nyasaye [Supeme]
> Nzambi (Nzambi)
> Mpunguo) [Supreme]
> Nzame [Supreme]
>
> Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
> Obatala [Sky]
> Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
> Ogun (Ogoun) War]
> Olokula [Sea]
> Olorun [Supreme]
> Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
> Orahan [Supreme]
> Orisa Nla [Creator]
> Orishako [Agriculture]
> Orunjan [Midday Sun]
> Orunmila [Compassion]
> Oshalla [?]
> Osun [Beauty and Love]
> Oya [Passion and Power]
>
> Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
> Qandisa [Demon]
> Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
>
> Rock-Sene [Supreme]
> Ruwa [Supreme]
> Sagbata [Smallpox]
> Sakarabru [Medicine]
> Sakpata [Smallpox]
> Sango [Thunder]
> Shango [Thunder]
> So [Lightening]
>
> Tano [River]
> Tore [Forest]
> Trowu[Spirits]
> Tsui'goab [Rain]
> Twe [Lake]
>
> Umvelinqangi [Creator]
> Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
> Unumbotte [Creator]
>
> Waka [Rain]
> Wele [Supreme]
> Wulbari [Supreme]
> Wuni [Supreme]
>
> Xewioso [Thunder]
> Yemaja [Creation]
> Yo [Impersonal]
>
> Zin [Water]
>
> Asian Gods:
>
> BUDDHIST
>
> Abhijnaraja [Physician]
> Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]
> Acala [?]
> Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]
> Adhimuktivasita [One ...
>
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[stumper]

JessHC wrote:
> stumper wrote:
>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:19:03 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> How do you know that you exist?
>>>> Do you even know what you are?
>>> ****ing idiot.
>>>
>>> I was right:
>>> You are an annoying and pointless wanker.
>>>
>> I gather you didn't read widely.
>
> You mean woo-woo books?
>
>> But that would not excuse your bad manners.
>
> So "wide reading" is your excuse for yours?
>
>> Is your life worth living?
>
> Life is MORE valuable without deities.
>


Life is too valuable
to be bothered with things
you don't believe in,
unless you get paid to do so.

Do you believe in anything?

--
~Stumper

 

[stumper]

JessHC wrote:
> stumper wrote:
>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>> What does that have to with your meaningless phrase:
>>> "Rather like Nothingness to some."??
>>> (Apart from more philosophical bullshit, that is.)
>>>
>>> Just what is your goal here?
>>> You are like an intellectual mosquito.
>>> Distracting, mildly annoying, a completely useless parasite, and when
>>> any light is shone on the subject, you are nowhere to be seen.
>> I'm here to lessen the needless suffering of some people.
>
> Whose suffering do you think you're lessening?
>
>> What is your issue?
>
> People who think they know how to "lessen the needless suffering of
> some people."
>

Why don't you help them
instead of increasing your own suffering?

--
~Stumper

 

[stumper]

JessHC wrote:
> stumper wrote:
>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:00:35 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> - Refer: <75WdnXqXUp7BBXLYnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>>>>>>>> Why do you ask?
>>>>>>>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God does not exist.
>>>>>>> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know what it means
>>>>>> for someone to believe in God?
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>> It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of
>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>
>>>> What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"?
>>>> What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"?
>>> How do those utterly facile questions justify your irrational belief
>>> in one god out of an infinite possible selection?
>> Who said I believe in any god?
>
> Pretty much you did with your fuzzy questions.
>
>> Do you even know what it is?
>
> Doesn't matter. Atheists don't believe in them.
>

Do you believe in non-existence of God?
Don't you have to know what it is
to believe in non-existence of it?

--
~Stumper

 

[Fred Stone]

stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in
news:7t2dnQpOroAmTGzYnZ2dnUVZ_vLinZ2d@ptd.net:

> JessHC wrote:
>> stumper wrote:
>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>> What does that have to with your meaningless phrase:
>>>> "Rather like Nothingness to some."??
>>>> (Apart from more philosophical bullshit, that is.)
>>>>
>>>> Just what is your goal here?
>>>> You are like an intellectual mosquito.
>>>> Distracting, mildly annoying, a completely useless parasite, and
>>>> when any light is shone on the subject, you are nowhere to be seen.
>>> I'm here to lessen the needless suffering of some people.
>>
>> Whose suffering do you think you're lessening?
>>
>>> What is your issue?
>>
>> People who think they know how to "lessen the needless suffering of
>> some people."
>>
>
> Why don't you help them
> instead of increasing your own suffering?
>

He doesn't believe in enabling the delusions of people who think that
they're "lessening the needless suffering of some people".

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The Bush critics' position is that we must believe without reservation
or criticism any intelligence that can be used to argue against military
action and that we should never believe any intelligence, however
plausible, that can be used to argue for it. That's not very
intelligent." - Michael Barone

 

[Fred Stone]

stumper <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in
news:7t2dnQVOroCyT2zYnZ2dnUVZ_vLinZ2d@ptd.net:

> JessHC wrote:
>> stumper wrote:
>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:00:35 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> - Refer: <75WdnXqXUp7BBXLYnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper
>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote:
>>>>>> - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many more if you "rely" on the excresent English or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heartless con-artist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for much suffering and premature death in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his single-minded pursuit of the dollar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>>>>>>>>> Why do you ask?
>>>>>>>>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God
>>>>>>>>> does not exist.
>>>>>>>> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you know what it means
>>>>>>> for someone to believe in God?
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>> It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of
>>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"?
>>>>> What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"?
>>>> How do those utterly facile questions justify your irrational
>>>> belief in one god out of an infinite possible selection?
>>> Who said I believe in any god?
>>
>> Pretty much you did with your fuzzy questions.
>>
>>> Do you even know what it is?
>>
>> Doesn't matter. Atheists don't believe in them.
>>
>
> Do you believe in non-existence of God?
> Don't you have to know what it is
> to believe in non-existence of it?
>

Being aware of a concept is not the same as believing that the concept
refers to an actual being.

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The Bush critics' position is that we must believe without reservation
or criticism any intelligence that can be used to argue against military
action and that we should never believe any intelligence, however
plausible, that can be used to argue for it. That's not very
intelligent." - Michael Barone

 

[jl]

On Mar 8, 11:10 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
So why am I supposed to need a Christian
> lawyer?
> Robert B. Winn

May I suggest an atheist lawyer? Atheist lawyers don't suffer from
delusions or superstitions, are better prepared, and won't try to
"turn it over to Jeezus."

 

[jl]

On Mar 8, 11:20 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Mar 8, 1:51?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
[...]
> > Christians all like a bribe, and respond nicely to threats.
> > Perhaps if he threatens them with his eternal blather they might
> > relent, just to be rid of him.
>
> Isaiah is all the defense I ever need. I never saw an atheist yet who
> could hang with Isaiah.
> Robert B. Winn

Who would want to hang with Isaiah? Nobody wants to hang, period.

If Isaiah wants to hang, let him hang alone. That 6-wing angel
already burnt his mouth to a crisp.

 

[JessHC]

stumper wrote:
> JessHC wrote:
> > stumper wrote:
> >> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:19:03 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> How do you know that you exist?
> >>>> Do you even know what you are?
> >>> ****ing idiot.
> >>>
> >>> I was right:
> >>> You are an annoying and pointless wanker.
> >>>
> >> I gather you didn't read widely.

Non sequitur.

> > You mean woo-woo books?

Why didn't you answer this question?

> >> But that would not excuse your bad manners.
> >
> > So "wide reading" is your excuse for yours?

Why did you ignore this question?

> >> Is your life worth living?
> >
> > Life is MORE valuable without deities.
>
> Life is too valuable to be bothered with things you don't believe in, unless you get paid to do so.

Non sequitur.

> Do you believe in anything?

Not ANYTHING; SOME things.

 

[JessHC]

stumper wrote:
> JessHC wrote:
> > stumper wrote:
> >> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>> What does that have to with your meaningless phrase:
> >>> "Rather like Nothingness to some."??
> >>> (Apart from more philosophical bullshit, that is.)
> >>>
> >>> Just what is your goal here?
> >>> You are like an intellectual mosquito.
> >>> Distracting, mildly annoying, a completely useless parasite, and when
> >>> any light is shone on the subject, you are nowhere to be seen.
> >> I'm here to lessen the needless suffering of some people.
> >
> > Whose suffering do you think you're lessening?

Why didn't you answer this question?

> >> What is your issue?
> >
> > People who think they know how to "lessen the needless suffering of some people."
>
> Why don't you help them

Who?

> instead of increasing your own suffering?

Unsupported assertion.