NO EVIDENCE OF GODS

[rbwinn]

On Mar 12, 7:46�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 11, 5:42?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:15:22 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >That isn't what characterizes atheism, moron, "Atheism is characterized
> > > >by an absence of belief in the existence of gods."
> > > >--http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html
>
> > > >Even you should be able to grasp that.
>
> > > He does grasp it.
> > > He is desperately thrashing about for attention.
>
> > Well, what I do is study atheists because I have nothing better to
> > do.

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 12, 7:51�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 11, 12:57?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Clark Kent's father was created by an Atheist?
>
> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1173568015.694513.177470@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Mar 10, 10:13?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Clark Kent's father must be the GOD that rbwinn is referring to!
>
> > > No, I do not worship any gods created by atheists.
> > > Robert B. Winn
>
> > Why don't

 

[Andrew]

On 2007-03-12 14:36:25 +0000, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> said:

>
> Pastor Frank wrote:
>> "Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:nju8v21tm5bdm6432gpfhdupdlfsfmp0tc@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:30 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
>>> <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>>>> "Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:y5edna5NbpcM93PYnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Mettas Mother wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!
>>>>>
>>>>> No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of proof
>>>>> cannot be shifted to the non-believers.
>>>>> The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the
>>>>> null,
>>>>> 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever.
>>>>> http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm
>>>>> http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm
>>>>>
>>>> You won't meet up with any argument from us theists. We all agree with
>>>> you, that the god(s) of atheist definition are guaranteed not to exist.
>>>> But
>>>> then there are millions who have their very own existing concrete god(s)
>>>> they pray to and make offerings to. And others have abstract gods: I.e.
>>>> our
>>>> Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) whom we serve, ...to the death if
>>>> need be.
>>>
>>> Is that all God is, then, Frank? Love?
>>> Gospel Bretts
>>> a.a. atheist #2262
>>> Fundy Xian Atheist
>>>
>> That's what our Christian NT Bible says, and we believe it. But also
>> Christ demonstrated His love by laying down His innocent life on our behalf
>> and taking it up again. It suffices us. Do you mind?
>
> Who told you you could select which bits of the bible you want to
> follow?

That's what "free will" means Jess. It's also what comes of the gift of
intelligence and reason. The Bible is a collection of ancient Semitic
writings. Its proper use requires thought, prayer and reflection.

 

[Andrew]

On 2007-03-12 14:35:11 +0000, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> said:

> Pastor Frank wrote:
>> "Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:nju8v21tm5bdm6432gpfhdupdlfsfmp0tc@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:30 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
>>> <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>>>> "Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:y5edna5NbpcM93PYnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Mettas Mother wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!
>>>>>
>>>>> No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of proof
>>>>> cannot be shifted to the non-believers.
>>>>> The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the
>>>>> null,
>>>>> 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever.
>>>>> http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm
>>>>> http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm
>>>>>
>>>> You won't meet up with any argument from us theists. We all agree with
>>>> you, that the god(s) of atheist definition are guaranteed not to exist.
>>>> But
>>>> then there are millions who have their very own existing concrete god(s)
>>>> they pray to and make offerings to. And others have abstract gods: I.e.
>>>> our
>>>> Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) whom we serve, ...to the death if
>>>> need be.
>>>
>>> Is that all God is, then, Frank? Love?
>>>
>> Jesus Christ evidenced God by giving His life on the cross of Calvary
>> for us sinners and not for His own benefit, nor for anyone virtuous or
>> perfect, nor famous or deserving.
>
> That's nice, except it's only a story; it didn't really happen.

You were there? You have evidence to back that assertion?

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 12, 9:02�am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why the scriptures say that!

 

[Andrew]

On 2007-03-12 14:33:56 +0000, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> said:

>
> rbwinn wrote:
>> On Mar 12, 4:12?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I died some two thousand years ago.
>>> God existed then. ?But one day when we were playing
>>> poker we got drunk and some of us thought god
>>> cheated and drove the knife through god's heart!
>>> After god's death we regretted our actions, because
>>> then we had one lesser partner at poker!
>>>
>>> If Jesus returns do you think that we could
>>> collect from him the money that
>>> his father stole from us?
>>>
>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1173666099.791233.232650@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
>
>>>> Why don't ?ask Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth?
>>>> Robvert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> I think you should take your complaints to Jesus Christ when he
>> returns to judge the earth. However, the scriptures say that no one
>> is going to do that.
>
> You've yet to explain how anyone can discuss anything with a fictional
> character.

You have evidence for that? Note - a "fiction" is usually a
deliberately created fabrication produced by someone who knows that
what he/she is writing is fact. Do you have evidence that any of the
Gospel writers can be said to have done this?

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> How do you know that the sins were atoned?
>
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1173707487.274055.278030@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> >If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone
> >for the sins of mankind.
> >Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
>
There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the
atonement had not happened.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 12, 7:32?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 12, 4:14?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > How do you know that that was not a lie?
>
> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1173667520.132051.18860@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > >On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> ?wrote:
> > > > > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ",
> > > > > ?but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L.
> > > > Actually he did.
> > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
>
> > If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone
> > for the sins of mankind.
>
> Matthew 16:28
> Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not
> taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Thank you, Jess. Wonderful to see you are studying the scriptures.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 12, 9:31�am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 11, 5:43?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:21 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> ? - Refer: <CKqdnUTGtupYEGnYnZ2dnUVZ_vLin...@comcast.com>
>
> >>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 10, 2:10?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mar 10, 10:34?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Mar 9, 1:10?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That appears to be an avowed goal of his.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> on everyone.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> speech.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>> Well, I think you did.
> >>>>>>>>> There you go again, trying to think without the proper tool.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>> Actually, I had the book of Isaiah.
> >>>>>>> You missed this line:
> >>>>>>> Isaiah 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit
> >>>>>>> And this one:
> >>>>>>> Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>> Actually, I q
> >>>>> What is your IQ, about 60 maybe?- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> 147
> >>> Liar.
> >> He dropped a decimal place.
>
> > You asked.

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 12, 9:39?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>
> > On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote:
> >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism
> >>> Our Father Which art in Heaven.
> >> Where's heaven? Outer space?
> > Where there is no sin.
>
> So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, right?
>
Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus Christ
returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness.
Robert B. Winn

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 12, 9:39?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
> > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism
> >
> > > On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote:
> > >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism
> > >>> Our Father Which art in Heaven.
> > >> Where's heaven? Outer space?
> > > Where there is no sin.
> >
> > So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here, right?
> >
> Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus Christ
> returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness.

And there will be sugar plum fairies and cotton candy clouds.

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 12, 9:55�am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> JessHC wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> >> On Mar 11, 5:42?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:15:22 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> That isn't what characterizes atheism, moron, "Atheism is characterized
> >>>> by an absence of belief in the existence of gods."
> >>>> --http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html
> >>>> Even you should be able to grasp that.
> >>> He does grasp it.
> >>> He is desperately thrashing about for attention.
>
> >> Well, what I do is study atheists because I have nothing better to
> >> do.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 12, 7:32?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 12, 4:14?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > How do you know that that was not a lie?
> >
> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > >news:1173667520.132051.18860@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > >On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> ?wrote:
> > > > > > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ",
> > > > > > ?but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L.
> > > > > Actually he did.
> > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone
> > > for the sins of mankind.
> >
> > Matthew 16:28
> > Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not
> > taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
>
> Thank you, Jess. Wonderful to see you are studying the scriptures.

Yes, isn't it? It allows me to point out where Jesus was lying.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 12, 9:31?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > You asked. ?Sorry you did not like the answer.
> >
> > It's not a matter of likes and dislikes, mooooron, we just do not
> > believe you. The low quality of your scholarship and erudition speaks
> > for itself. Plus you got caught in a lie, that JessHC is opposed to
> > freedom of speech. Standing in opposition to the radical religious right
> > trying to make their religious beliefs the law of the land is not
> > opposition to freedom of speech, it is merely the defense of the
> > constitutional principle of separation of church and state.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> People who have religious beliefs are not excluded by the Constitution
> from participation in the government. If you do not like someone who
> has religious beliefs, why don't you vote for some atheists?

We do. Unfortunately, most people are as deluded as you.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 12, 9:03?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > How do you know that the sins were atoned?
> >
> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1173707487.274055.278030@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > >If Jesus Christ had ever lied, he would not have been able to atone
> > >for the sins of mankind.
> > >Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
> >
> There would be no way anyone who sinned could be saved if the
> atonement had not happened.

Circular reasoning. You lose again.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 12, 7:51?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 11, 12:57?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Clark Kent's father was created by an Atheist?
> >
> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > >news:1173568015.694513.177470@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Mar 10, 10:13?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Clark Kent's father must be the GOD that rbwinn is referring to!
> >
> > > > No, I do not worship any gods created by atheists.
> > > > Robert B. Winn
> >
> > > Why don't ?ask Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth?
> >
> > Because he isn't real.
>
> Well, if you really believe that, the best thing to do would just be
> to tell him what you think when the time comes.

You mean the time that was supposed to come when some of the people
who were supposed to have seen and heard him were still alive? When
that time comes? Oops.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 12, 7:46?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 11, 5:42?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:15:22 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >That isn't what characterizes atheism, moron, "Atheism is characterized
> > > > >by an absence of belief in the existence of gods."
> > > > >--http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html
> >
> > > > >Even you should be able to grasp that.
> >
> > > > He does grasp it.
> > > > He is desperately thrashing about for attention.
> >
> > > Well, what I do is study atheists because I have nothing better to
> > > do. ?The problem with your idea is that attention from an atheist is
> > > always an adverse incident.
> >
> > So why are you here, begging for attention from atheists?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> Well, I am not begging for attention.

Your actions demonstrate otherwise.

> I am testing Isaiah on them, and so far, Isaiah comes out on top.

On top of what? The list of irrelevant things you can come up with?

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 12, 7:45?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 11, 5:43?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:21 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > ? - Refer: <CKqdnUTGtupYEGnYnZ2dnUVZ_vLin...@comcast.com>
> > > > >rbwinn wrote:
> > > > >> On Mar 10, 2:10?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> > > > >>> What is your IQ, about 60 maybe?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > >> 147
> >
> > > > >Liar.
> >
> > > > He dropped a decimal place.
> >
> > > You asked. ?Sorry you did not like the answer.
> >
> > The answer is not supported by the evidence.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> Well, why don't you just go ahead and believe what you want to believe?

Better yet, let's believe the evidence.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 12, 7:44?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Mettas Mother wrote:
> > > > > How do you know that he was telling the truth!
> >
> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:1173490918.699638.222590@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > > Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. ?He
> > > > > also has a Father.
> > > > > Robert B. Winn
> >
> > > > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ",
> > > > but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L.
> >
> > > Actually he did.
> >
> > Cite?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> John 8:18 Jesus Said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
> Before Abraham was, I Am.

And that proves Jesus said he was Jehovah how, exactly? Remember, we
speak English here, and in English, that sentence says Jesus was
before Abraham, NOT that he's Jehovah.

 

[Mettas Mother]

Mettas Mother 66:99
Thy shall not lie!


"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1173722881.229694.93880@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> John 8:18 Jesus Said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
> Before Abraham was, I Am.
> Robert B. Winn