NO EVIDENCE OF GODS

"JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
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> Pastor Frank wrote:
>> "Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:nju8v21tm5bdm6432gpfhdupdlfsfmp0tc@4ax.com...
>> > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:10:30 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
>> > <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>> >>"Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:y5edna5NbpcM93PYnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >>> Mettas Mother wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!
>> >>>
>> >>> No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of
>> >>> proof
>> >>> cannot be shifted to the non-believers.
>> >>> The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the
>> >>> null,
>> >>> 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever.
>> >>> http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm
>> >>> http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm
>> >>>
>> >> You won't meet up with any argument from us theists. We all agree
>> >> with
>> >>you, that the god(s) of atheist definition are guaranteed not to exist.
>> >>But
>> >>then there are millions who have their very own existing concrete
>> >>god(s)
>> >>they pray to and make offerings to. And others have abstract gods: I.e.
>> >>our
>> >>Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) whom we serve, ...to the death
>> >>if
>> >>need be.
>> >
>> > Is that all God is, then, Frank? Love?
>> > Gospel Bretts
>> > a.a. atheist #2262
>> > Fundy Xian Atheist
>> >

>> That's what our Christian NT Bible says, and we believe it. But also
>> Christ demonstrated His love by laying down His innocent life on our
>> behalf
>> and taking it up again. It suffices us. Do you mind?

>
> Who told you you could select which bits of the bible you want to
> follow?
>

Which "bits of the Bible" did I "select", and which don't agree with
you?




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What were written, were they written correctly?

"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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> >
> >Well, go ahead and point. Jesus Christ did not lie.

>
> We have no idea if any of the claims made in the gospels are true.
>
> We have no idea what Jesus actually said.
>
> We have no idea whether Jesus had anything to do with any god or not.
>
> We have no idea whether you have interpreted what is written correctly.
 
"JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
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> rbwinn wrote:
>> On Mar 11, 6:49?pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > How do you know that he was telling the truth!
>> > > Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. ?He
>> > > also has a Father.
>> > > Robert B. Winn
>> >
>> > ===>The fictional character "Jesus" is called "Christ",
>> > but he never said he was "Jehovah". -- L.

>>
>> Actually he did.

>
> Cite?
>

Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS."
Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one.



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"JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
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> rbwinn wrote:
>> On Mar 11, 5:42?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> > On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:15:22 -0700, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
>> > wrote:
>> > >That isn't what characterizes atheism, moron, "Atheism is
>> > >characterized
>> > >by an absence of belief in the existence of gods."
>> > >--http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html
>> >
>> > >Even you should be able to grasp that.
>> >
>> > He does grasp it.
>> > He is desperately thrashing about for attention.
>> >

>> Well, what I do is study atheists because I have nothing better to
>> do. The problem with your idea is that attention from an atheist is
>> always an adverse incident.

>
> So why are you here, begging for attention from atheists?
>

Christ commissioned us to do so. See below. Who commissioned you to
proselytize atheism in our pristine and hallowed Christian NGs?



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But Jesus could have possibly existed! Only thing was that is Jesus GOD?


"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>
> More to the point: We have no extant contemporary evidence that this
> "Jesus" ever existed at all, let alone what he may have said.
>
> --
 
"JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
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> rbwinn wrote:
>> On Mar 11, 12:57?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Clark Kent's father was created by an Atheist?
>> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1173568015.694513.177470@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Mar 10, 10:13?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Clark Kent's father must be the GOD that rbwinn is referring to!
>> >
>> > No, I do not worship any gods created by atheists.
>> > Robert B. Winn

>>
>> Why don't ask Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth?

>
> Because he isn't real.
>

Who is "real" to you in your Marvel comics heaven?



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why not? That will be fun!

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 12, 4:51?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Could you please try hanging christ on the cross again and try?
> >

> No.
> Robert B. Winn
>
 
Who do you thing is manning the power grid?

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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> I do not really think so. God is the source of light.
> Robert B. Winn
 
Thou shall not lie!
How do you know that the commandments are not from GOD!

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 12, 4:57?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > So you agree about the lies?
> >

> I agree with the commandment, Thou shalt not bear false witness.
> Robert B. Winn
>
 
Are there proofs?

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 12, 4:59?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Then who lied?
> >

> The people who accuse Jesus Christ of lying lied.
> Robert B. Winn
>
 
"Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Mother1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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>> That's what our Christian NT Bible says, and we believe it. But also
>> Christ demonstrated His love by laying down His innocent life on our
>> behalf
>> and taking it up again. It suffices us. Do you mind?

>
> How do you know that the person that died on the cross was Jesus Christ
> and not his look like or
> decoy?
>

Not sufficient evidence of course. But if you have evidence to the
contrary, then please present it, and become a famous person, if not rich to
boot.



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Is there such thing as atonement of christ even if a person called Jesus had once lived?
Where is the proof? Any video audio data?

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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> Well, how do you accept the atonement of Christ without admitting he exists?
> Robert B. Winn
 
Why do call them scriptures? What proof is there to call them scriptures?

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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> Well, that is what the scriptures say, those who refuse the atonement
> of Christ crucify Him unto themselves again.
> Robert B. Winn
 
Why do you claim that the bible is evidence when there is no proof!

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 12, 8:15�pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> More to the point: We have no extant contemporary evidence that this
> "Jesus" ever existed at all, let alone what he may have said.
>
>> I see. So do you live in a Bhuddist monastary? I can send you a copy
>> of the Bible if you do not have one.
>> Robert B. Winn
 
You just talked to the Eye Witness! in
Crusification by an Eye Witness!

"JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
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>
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 12, 4:59?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Then who lied?
> > >

> > The people who accuse Jesus Christ of lying lied.

>
> Really. So who is still alive that was there listening to Jesus when
> he said "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which
> shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
> kingdom." (Matthew 16:28)?
>
 
Mettas Mother 66:99
Thou Shall Not Lie!

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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>John 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus
>loved following: which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said,
>Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
>21 Peter seeing him saith unto Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man
>do?
>22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is
>that to thee? follow thou me.
>Robert B. Winn
 
He don't even know whether Jesus lived or not!

"JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
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>
> rbwinn wrote:
> > John 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus
> > loved following: which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said,
> > Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
> > 21 Peter seeing him saith unto Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man
> > do?
> > 22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is
> > that to thee? follow thou me.

>
> So your response is to dodge the question, because you can't admit
> Jesus lied.
>
 
Thank you for talking about me. I am right here! Can you see me, Son!?

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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>

Jesus Christ did not lie. The Apostle John is still somewhere on
earth.
Robert B. Winn
 
In order to solve a problem we must first recognize that there is a problem
In order to reject Christ , there must first be a Christ!
Atonement of Christ was/is only possible if there was/is a Christ!
So was/is there Christ?


"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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> Well, so you reject the atonement of Christ, just as I said in the
> beginning.
> Robert B. Winn
>
>
 
Why did you ask that? Do you think that there is reason to think so?
Do you have the evidence to back up!
Reference to unsubstantial claims in books are not accepted!

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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> Why do you have no reason to think it exists? You think God did not
> do his part?
> Robert B. Winn
>
>
 

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