Obama remark on black scholar's arrest angers cops

[timesjoke]

Correct me if I am wrong but was this not University property?

Not his property, he was just allowed to stay there as a perk but it is not like he was paying anything to live there, not even taxes.

At any rate IWS hit the best point, just because your in your own home, there are many times your still not allowed to take things too far, this is where hugo cannot tell the difference between reasonable and unreasonable actions where they pertain to Gates.

That is also why he is running away from his own Spencer quote in his signature. If you live your life making excuses for your own bad bahaviors, you will never be a responsible human being.

hugo, this was not about Gates speaking out against the government, it was not about the Holocaust, it was not about anything noble or pure, it was 100% Gates being an out of control racist.

If your reaching so desperately for excuses, obviously your wrong.

I think you need to go read that Spencer quote a few more times and stop trying to defend stupidity wrapped in racist beliefs, just because Gates is black, that does not mean he should be allowed to behave any way he wants.

 

[Ahhlee]

Never said Gates was acting reasonable. If failing to act reasonable is a jailable offense women got sumtin to worry about.
Of course, they don't deserve that treatment.

HEY!!!!! Grrrrrrrrr!

 

[ImWithStupid]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB9-NcunsKc]YouTube - policemen[/ame]

 

[timesjoke]

I like that video........it is so true, I find myself wondering........as much as hugo and RO talk about the constitution and founding beliefs for America with small Governments and freedoms...........

Can they name one time in America's early history where a law officer would have tucked tail and ran away from being screamed at like this? Even a white man screaming at a white sheriff in the old west, the real freedom days, do they believe the sheriff would have walked away?

A person showing their azz to such a massively horrible degree has never been considered reasonable in America. The day after the constitution was signed you did not scream at the local law enforcement so I completely reject any claim that Gates was treated unfairly.

Only now, only these lower moral days, these days of dodging responsibility is it considered by people like hugo and RO that screaming at and disrespecting police officers is being Patriotic.

Patriotism... is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime. ~Adlai Stevenson

 

[hugo]

Correct me if I am wrong but was this not University property?
Not his property, he was just allowed to stay there as a perk but it is not like he was paying anything to live there, not even taxes.

Hate to tell ya this, but ya ain't gotta own, or even pay rent, on the property you reside within to be covered under the Bill of Rights. You also need to read more than my quotes of Spencer, so you can understand Spencer's quotes in context. Believe me, Spencer was no fan of people being dragged from their property for talking to an irresponsible police officer. The officers responsibility is to proyect and serve, not to incarcerate honest citizens for talking **** to them.

 

[Old Salt]

Was that Paul Harvey narrating the video?

 

[ImWithStupid]

Hate to tell ya this, but ya ain't gotta own, or even pay rent, on the property you reside within to be covered under the Bill of Rights. You also need to read more than my quotes of Spencer, so you can understand Spencer's quotes in context. Believe me, Spencer was no fan of people being dragged from their property for talking to an irresponsible police officer. The officers responsibility is to proyect and serve, not to incarcerate honest citizens for talking **** to them.

What you keep ignoring is the FACT, based on the course of events and witness statements, is that the officer stood there and took Gates' **** like you seem to think he should, and it was only after, the officer was attempting to disengage himself from the confrontation, as you say he should and attempted to do, did Gates insist on committing a misdemeanor in the presence of the officer, and even after being warned specifically of the crime he was committing, Gates CHOSE to continue to commit that crime, which didn't involve the officer as a victim but the people of the public, then and only then, did the officer make a lawful and constitutionally valid arrest.

The FACT is, Gates wasn't arrested for talking to the officer. The officer took his and tried to walk away. Gates took the issue into the public. Same reason you can't stand in your yard naked, in a residential area, and *********e with one hand and wave to the paperboy with the other.

Again. Your rights only extend as far as they don't infringe on the rights of another.

 

[timesjoke]

Hate to tell ya this, but ya ain't gotta own, or even pay rent, on the property you reside within to be covered under the Bill of Rights.

Never said you did, I was pointing out the context of a spoiled, elitist, racist professor who thought he was better then the white cop and could bully the cop because he had "powerful friends".

You also need to read more than my quotes of Spencer, so you can understand Spencer's quotes in context. Believe me, Spencer was no fan of people being dragged from their property for talking to an irresponsible police officer. The officers responsibility is to proyect and serve, not to incarcerate honest citizens for talking **** to them.

Well, now your back to calling the cop irresponsible, but point by point you say he did nothing wrong up to the point of the arrest, hard to say the officer is irresponsible for doing his job and following the law hugo.

And Spencer was a big supporter for people being responsible for their own actions, you certainly are not representing his views by saying people like Gates should be protected from their own folly.

What a cage is to the wild beast, law is to the selfish man. ~ Herbert Spencer

Would Gates be considered the selfish man? Thrashing at the bars screaming about the unfairness of it? Calling those who enforce the law racists when their not? Using his political ties to escape the enforcement of the law?

Oh, protect and serve, your right, but your problem is you only see Gates as important, you see fighting against the police as noble, even when the police are right.......but the police are there to serve and protect "everyone" not just one person at the expense of all other people. Once the racist took his tirade outside, he was imposing his hostility and irresponsible outbursts to everyone. What is his out of control behavior teaching the kid next door who sees the police get abused in this way? This is one example but there are many ways an out of control person in a community can cause severe harm to that community, just like arresting him can teach a valuable lesson to the same kid who sees that bad behavior is punnished.

 

[ImWithStupid]

Hugo, RO and most people on a ride along...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HghaoDu9Ac]YouTube - COP FOR A DAY[/ame]

 

[timesjoke]

The truly funny thing is people who put down cops the most would never have the backbone to do the job themselves.

And, they are the first ones to be critical of the police when they need them. I say if your so down on police, never call on them either.

I love it that hugo pretends to follow spencer when it is Spencer who says it is fine to drop your connection to the state, but at the same time you loose your protections from that same state:

"Government being simply an agent employed in common by a number of individuals to secure to them certain advantages, the very nature of the connection implies that it is for each to say whether he will employ such an agent or not. If any one of them determines to ignore this mutual-safety confederation, nothing can be said except that he loses all claim to its good offices, and exposes himself to the danger of maltreatment ? a thing he is quite at liberty to do if he likes. He cannot be coerced into political combination without a breach of the law of equal freedom; he can withdraw from it without committing any such breach; and he has therefore a right so to withdraw."

 

[ImWithStupid]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFW_HrrR8I8]YouTube - Queensland Police Union[/ame]

 

[hugo]

. Same reason you can't stand in your yard naked, in a residential area, and *********e with one hand and wave to the paperboy with the other.

You can't do that while waving at the neighbor's wife either.......er...uhh...that is what a friend told me.

 

[ImWithStupid]

You can't do that while waving at the neighbor's wife either.......er...uhh...that is what a friend told me.

You can, if she isn't startled or alarmed, and doesn't complain.

 

[snafu]

You can, if she isn't startled or alarmed, and doesn't complain.

I guess that would depend on who you are.

 

[Ahhlee]

You can, if she isn't startled or alarmed, and doesn't complain.

I take a few pictures with my cell phone and then offer up a round of applause after the performance, but that's just me.

 

[hugo]

I believe Officer Crowley has learned a lesson from this. Next time I am sure he will do the responsible thing and realize his job is to protect and serve the citizens of his city, not defend his ego. It is all about responsibility, by a government employee, not to abuse the power he is entrusted with.

 

[ImWithStupid]

I believe Officer Crowley has learned a lesson from this. Next time I am sure he will do the responsible thing and realize his job is to protect and serve the citizens of his city, not defend his ego. It is all about responsibility, by a government employee, not to abuse the power he is entrusted with.

That's exactly what a socialist like you, would say.

 

[hugo]

That's exactly what a socialist like you, would say.

Not sure how supporting property rights makes one a socialist. The responsible thing for any employee to do is to spend his time at work doing what his employer hired him to do. It is all about responsibility.

Personally, I feel a responsibility to defend the Constitution from attacks from both the left and right.

From Locke's Second Treatise:

Sec. 199. AS usurpation is the exercise of power, which another hath a right to; so tyranny is the exercise of power beyond right, which no body can have a right to. And this is making use of the power any one has in his hands, not for the good of those who are under it, but for his own private separate advantage. When the governor, however intitled, makes not the law, but his will, the rule; and his commands and actions are not directed to the preservation of the properties of his people, but the satisfaction of his own ambition, revenge, covetousness, or any other irregular passion.

I remember once arguing with an unreasonable client at her place of residence. I finally decided to teach her a lesson in responsibility by handcuffing her, bending her over my knee, and admihistering a good spanking. I got in a bit of trouble over that.

 

[timesjoke]

Your fast to claim the officer had a responsibility to let the unruly person show his Azz, but you do not address the responsibility of the person to not loose his cool with the officer in the first place.

Responsibility swings both ways but you only see responsibility from one side, that makes you sound like a socialist Hugo.

You admitted that up to the time of the arrest the officer did nothing wrong and was instead doing the job he is paid to do. So the entire time the officer is taking this verbal abuse, you do not place any blame on the guy tossing the abuse. Incredible.

 

[hugo]

Your fast to claim the officer had a responsibility to let the unruly person show his Azz, but you do not address the responsibility of the person to not loose his cool with the officer in the first place.
Responsibility swings both ways but you only see responsibility from one side, that makes you sound like a socialist Hugo.

The greater responsibility lies with the person with the most power. That is the official of government. Those who wish to allow government run amuck, such as you TJ, are the socialists.

From Locke's Second Treatise:

Sec. 199. AS usurpation is the exercise of power, which another hath a right to; so tyranny is the exercise of power beyond right, which no body can have a right to. And this is making use of the power any one has in his hands, not for the good of those who are under it, but for his own private separate advantage. When the governor, however intitled, makes not the law, but his will, the rule; and his commands and actions are not directed to the preservation of the properties of his people, but the satisfaction of his own ambition, revenge, covetousness, or any other irregular passion.