Plastic surgery

hugo

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I often wonder if a person deciding to undergo plastic surgery, had everyone around them saying..."please don't do it...I don't want you to change....I love everything about you"...if that came from spouses, friends and family...I wonder if they'd bother?
Instead most say "If it's what you want"...or "If it makes YOU happy".....those comments to me just sort of say ......yah...you could probably use some improving or basically saying it's great to surgically improve...I just wonder.

Hmmmm.......
Ya might consider gettin' that hump removed.

 

emkay64

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Humans have flatter faces because of the evolution of a larger brain, which necessitated a change in skull shape, as well as some changes in mouth structure, the tongue, the muscles that support the tongue and the length of the throat as language developed.

The whole idea is that there was a co-evolution of the human flat face with breast shape, and thus there was evolutionary pressure on the shape of the breast to accommodate the infant. A flat face feeding off a flat chest = suffocation.

Breast are eroticized predominantly in the West. If you look at Africans, the ******* are for the baby, not the man.

 

timesjoke

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Humans have flatter faces because of the evolution of a larger brain, which necessitated a change in skull shape, as well as some changes in mouth structure, the tongue, the muscles that support the tongue and the length of the throat as language developed.
But would not the least intrusive adjustment to be just expand the brain back? Instead of a design change that caused a hundred changes to make it work properly, why not change just one thing and be done with it?

Your falling for the same thing RO and the rest of the evolution believers fall for...your looking backwards making what "is" sound reasonable with a lot of backflips but if nature teaches us anything it is that the lest complicated answer is the one that nature will follow, not the most complex.

The whole idea is that there was a co-evolution of the human flat face with breast shape, and thus there was evolutionary pressure on the shape of the breast to accommodate the infant. A flat face feeding off a flat chest = suffocation.
A great example of why the backward thinking is so flawed.

As Merc just said she had no issues breast feeding so there goes that idea completely out the window but there is more to it than that, if the babies needed the bigger *******, then that means they would have died before hundreds of thousands of years went by to cause the evolutionary change.......this goes back to my point in the other thread, if the life needs to change to survive, then by the time evolution could kick in, it would be too late.

Breast are eroticized predominantly in the West. If you look at Africans, the ******* are for the baby, not the man.
I sure am glad I was born in America then, imagine not knowing about something that is so much fun to play with?

Never knowing what it is like to perform a motorboat?

Sad ;)

 

RoyalOrleans

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I spend a lot of time comparing one theory and another all in my attempts to look for the truth. In many cases I have found combinations of ideas and viewpoints bring me the most information instead of getting myself bogged down in any one person's thoughts of what "they" think the truth is, we are all humans, nobody is any better then anyone else if you take the time to educate yourself.
You're preaching to the choir.

Attracting and keeping a male is very important, but in all other life forms enlarged ******* are not one of the factors, not even in apes who many evolutionists believe we came from so why?
Ohh... this should be good.

Why? Looking foward instead of backward, why would nature believe this one form of life needed enlarged ******* when no other creature on the face of the planet needed them? Legs to walk on land, okay, air breathing lungs, okay that seems important......enlarged *******? Not needed in apes, so there is no reasonable need for them in humans.
The future has not happened yet. What is there to learn of the future if the past is not understood first?

Idiot.

My point was to show how even science gets befuddled by *******, but at the end of the day we men still love them ;)
You're preaching to the choir, honey. I do not doubt a primal attraction to ******* through the process of sexual selection.

No, I believe most atheists are anti-religion so that drives them to the anti-religion science of evolution as their faith. Birds of a feather and all that. It fills your need to feel justified in rejecting Faith.
I am not anti-religion... I have no problem with one having faith and in contrast my lack thereof.

I think that most theists flock to the church for answers to the unanswerable and believe absurdities on a preconceived notion to dispell science.

Evolution is 2% hard data in the form of fossil records and 98% Interpretation, the person in control of the mind determins the Interpretation and if they want excuses to reject the notion of ***, then their mind will provide the missing pieces to make that happen.
And where is your information on the experiments of creation?

The only way... the ONLY way that I will take you seriously is if you can prove hard evidence in that favor.

Now I will admit that this can also be true for someone wanting to blindly embrace the notion of *** but there is nothing to show that certain elements of both are possible. This is where someone like me comes in with an open mind ready to accept both sides as having valid points and too see the limitations
I am still waiting on the proof on the experimentation that makes creation more than a pseudoscience?

So why not give human females the same thing? It obviously works. Why would humans have something never seen in other life forms? My point will always be looking foward, not backward.
This is where you are dead wrong.

Can we look at the Bible as how people should behave in future, if the tales are not preserved as moral witness of character?

Can we not learn about the horrors of the Holocaust so that they are not repeated?

Can we not learn about 9/11 so that we may prevent another terrorist attack on US soil?

All of these questions about the future are based... based on the interpretation of past events.

The future has not happened yet, but it can be predicted. You make it sound like the future can be guessed without study.

I can probably guess what Obama's motives are, but they can not be wholly predicted without looking at his past.

Did you know that the black vulture mates for life and even the other vultures sometimes attack a fellow vulture who is 'fooling around' with the wrong vulture?
Wow! Check out the big brain on TJ!

You act as though you found plutonium by accident!

What does the tell me?

That TJ watches the Discovery Channel.

 

emkay64

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Merc may be smallish, but i can assure you they enlarged for feeding. Most women go up a few cup sizes when milk comes in. I'm a B normally....I went to a fukking E!!!!! :eek: after the birth....they enlarge for feeding (BTW it was grotesque, not pretty lol) Genetics preclude how large the ******* will be, but they enlarge to become more than adequate for feeding.
 

timesjoke

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You're preaching to the choir.
As are you.

The future has not happened yet. What is there to learn of the future if the past is not understood first?
As evolution cannot look into the future and see where it is supposed to go, there must be a reason why certain traits would be inserted "at the time they were inserted".

Idiot? You can't ever keep yourself under control can you? You Atheists are way to angry and always look down your nose at anyone who does not swallow evolution blindly.

You're preaching to the choir, honey. I do not doubt a primal attraction to ******* through the process of sexual selection.
Again, your still stuck looking backward, you have to pry your mind out of that mode to truly look at evolution correctly as a theory.

How does the attraction to ******* happen if there are no *******? Evolution would both have to insert the sexual desire for ******* and the ******* at the same time to be selected.......why would it insert it in the first place? What was the "need" that drove it and going back to my usual theme, if it takes thousands of years to fulfil a "need" then has not the need already passed?

I am not anti-religion... I have no problem with one having faith and in contrast my lack thereof.

I think that most theists flock to the church for answers to the unanswerable and believe absurdities on a preconceived notion to dispell science.
If you were not anti-religion you would not say such nasty things about those of faith and be looking down your nose at them.

And where is your information on the experiments of creation?

The only way... the ONLY way that I will take you seriously is if you can prove hard evidence in that favor.
I already said there are none, do you have a lack of attention issue?

Faith is like love, it cannot be measured or pointed out in any scientific way.

I am still waiting on the proof on the experimentation that makes creation more than a pseudoscience?
Creation and evoltion are exactly the same in that there has never been a way to show either is possible outside a person's mind......yet.

This is where you are dead wrong.

Can we look at the Bible as how people should behave in future, if the tales are not preserved as moral witness of character?

Can we not learn about the horrors of the Holocaust so that they are not repeated?

Can we not learn about 9/11 so that we may prevent another terrorist attack on US soil?

All of these questions about the future are based... based on the interpretation of past events.

The future has not happened yet, but it can be predicted. You make it sound like the future can be guessed without study.

I can probably guess what Obama's motives are, but they can not be wholly predicted without looking at his past.
Nice tirade but irrelivant, evolution cannot see into the future so how does it know to add enlarged *******? Your running off into the distance talking about.....I don't know what.

My point you missed was why did evolution give something to human females that it did not find reason to give to any other creature on the planet?

Wow! Check out the big brain on TJ!

You act as though you found plutonium by accident!

What does the tell me?

That TJ watches the Discovery Channel.
You make it sound like watching the discovery channel is a bad thing.

Education can be found in many forms RO.

My point was that nature figured out how to make the black vulture work without adding enlarged *******. Nature figured out how to make them lifelong mates and even get other vultures to help keep them from fooling around on each other. There are many other creatures that share the life long mate behavior, all without enlarged ******* so "looking foward", what was the reason to add enlarged ******* to women?

RO,

Before humans invented the microscope we had no idea there were things like bacteria in the world.

Did bacteria not exist prior to the microscope being invented?

Of coures not, even if we cannot perceive some things, that does not mean they do not exist. Your inability to not perceive *** "might" be the same thing....I am just offering an idea, a possibility. I know I can perceive him, I feel his love that is every bit as real to me as the love I feel with my children, just a little different.

 

RoyalOrleans

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What you just said.
Such a typical response of a narcissistic statist, inept at providing hard evidence for his cause and denies the other cause a voice out of fear of disobedience.

Declare your belief with evidence, experiments, an artlce, a fukken bumper sticker.

 

mercury

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Yep... I did enlarge during pregnancy and breastfeeding. I overflowed a C cup if I stretched a feeding too long, where normally I barely fill an A.

the only time in my entire life that anyone ever said anything about my cleavage and being sincere about it was the night of my mom's retirement party. I left the kid at home and they grew progressively bigger through out the night. One of my aunts said something about how huge my knockers were :p

 

timesjoke

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Such a typical response of a narcissistic statist, inept at providing hard evidence for his cause and denies the other cause a voice out of fear of disobedience.
Declare your belief with evidence, experiments, an artlce, a fukken bumper sticker.
Well evolutionists do have a lot of bumperstickers, I give them that but there is not one experiment to prove evolution either.

All that can be proven is the ability to adapt, not evolve.

You can use smoke and mirrors to try and deflect attention away from your own lack of facts but I admit there are no facts on either side, I have nothing to hide or be ashamed of, I know the limitations of the belief in *** and admit those limitations.

Too bad you can't do the same.....

 

Ahhlee

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"Life long mating"......HA!

I'm pretty sure we as a species are shooting that concept to **** in a hurry.

 

timesjoke

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"Life long mating"......HA!
I'm pretty sure we as a species are shooting that concept to **** in a hurry.
Well our "modern" society is, but looking back a few hundred years you did see life long mating with humans.

 

Chi

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Merc may be smallish, but i can assure you they enlarged for feeding. Most women go up a few cup sizes when milk comes in. I'm a B normally....I went to a fukking E!!!!! :eek: after the birth....they enlarge for feeding (BTW it was grotesque, not pretty lol) Genetics preclude how large the ******* will be, but they enlarge to become more than adequate for feeding.
Definitely! I'm pretty average, but once that milk came in, they got BayWatch sized!!!! And yes, it is NOT fun! They weighed a ton, were engorged, hurt like ****, etc. (I will spare all the details.)

 

timesjoke

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Definitely! I'm pretty average, but once that milk came in, they got BayWatch sized!!!! And yes, it is NOT fun! They weighed a ton, were engorged, hurt like ****, etc. (I will spare all the details.)
I remember the ex had to keep expressing milk to relieve pressure when we were away from the baby for any long period. She also used to throw away a lot of her milk she pumped because she made more then our children needed.

Can the size of the breast determine the amount of milk she can produce because the ex was a natural DD when we met and she always made more than the baby needed and used the pump to help relieve her pressure feelings.

 

mercury

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No... milk production adjusts to how much the baby eats, or how much is expressed. Nature is perfect that way.

She made more than the baby ate because she expressed. I only pumped one time. It was during the weaning process and only to the point of relieving the pain of engorgement. Within 24 hours production had almost stopped and within 3 or 4 days I had dried up completely.

 

Ahhlee

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Definitely! I'm pretty average, but once that milk came in, they got BayWatch sized!!!! And yes, it is NOT fun! They weighed a ton, were engorged, hurt like ****, etc. (I will spare all the details.)
***, I'm a D/DD depending on the bra now. If I breast fed, I'd probably be a Q!!!!

 

timesjoke

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***, I'm a D/DD depending on the bra now. If I breast fed, I'd probably be a Q!!!!
I am not sure of the steps in size but I seem to remember we had to special order my ex's bras. She was a DD before and I think it was a EEE we ended up ordering.

 

Ahhlee

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I am not sure of the steps in size but I seem to remember we had to special order my ex's bras. She was a DD before and I think it was a EEE we ended up ordering.
Eh, I wouldn't bother maintaining my dignity with custom bras. I'd just haul mine around in a couple of wheelbarrows and cover them with tarps so as not to scare the neighbors.

 
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