Reflectionist

[_deemy_]

No it wasn't you I was talking about, was others. Your responses to Ref were fine from what I can tell. At least, they were deserved from his so...

 

[Victim]

Honestly, if you think there is someone who shouldn't be in the position they are in, then you need to let us know, ( like PM me, or something , but **** it could be me to as you are referring) and then show us why... Because I have a few people in mind, but none of them have recently been offensive, nor arrogant, as you clam they have..But **** I am tired of hearing everyone ***** about "this person" but are to scared to say anything.. If you think it is so wrong SPEAK UP!!!!!! If you aren't going to stand up for what you believe in, but just stay in the shadows, why bother, because its not going to get anything done.

While yes you are right, there are a few people here fighting for Ref. the majority of the forum members haven't even posted, or that just said they didn't understand, and it was sad to see him go, while the others knew this was the right decision.

Like I said, not everyone is going to be happy with decision, but it is FINAL, and no matter how much you argue and said it was BS, and unfair, its not going to change. A little hypocritical about what I said earlier about standing up for what you believe in, but nothing you say on Jake's matter will reverse his ban.. So. its. final.

 

[UnhingedMouse0]

Also, if you see someone "do the exact same thing (and) get away with it scott-free"... report the post(s) and it will be dealt with if necessisary. We do miss things, there are only 5 of us, we arent around ALL the time. We need your help, so if you have problem something report it, or like victim said, send one of us a PM. Otherwise I dont really feel sorry for anyone who complains later on about something they did nothing about at the time.

And yes, please no more of the "this person" ****, it just adds confusion. If you want to give examples, give names, but give em through PM as we need no more unnecessisary flame wars.

 

[azemkamikaze03]

If you guys have a problem with a mod, an elite, or just a plain member tell us. I don't see where it makes sense to complain that there are problems on this site, but never take action upon it. I told Jake/Ref that if he felt Mark/Hahninator was being to harsh on him to PM UMO and let him know how he felt. In that way there can be some checks and balances. Contrary to this belief you guys have we aren't some kind of elite dictatorship that thinks everything we say is right. We argue with each other on subjects of what is right and what is wrong all the times in our MOD section. If we feel a mod is behaving badly we check them. There was a time when Mark started going off Ref and just really getting rude and I told him to take it easy and he agreed apologized and we went from there. I'd expect that if I was getting out of hand that Jeezy, Mark, Victim, and UMO would put me in check.

We are a diverse group of mods, each with our own flare, style, and way of tackling things.

We didn't single out reflectionist. The members of Linkin Park Forums did. Members who were attacked by him complained to Mark, and unfortunately Mark was attacked as well so he told us how he felt. We never once said...WE DONT LIKE WHAT HE'S SAYING LETS BAN HIM. We analyzed what has been said, talked about it. Discussed how what he said impacted our members. I argued in Favor to keep him. I displayed my points everyone else displayed their points and we worked until we had a common ground.

It's really easy to criticize the Mods and throw rocks at them for what they do when you aren't one. But the minute your on the other side of the glass you realize that it's not exactly as easy as you thought it was and you realize throwing rocks just doesn't help the situation. Trust me, i have definitely been on both sides.

We all have times where we say stuff that shouldn't be said. I'll be the first to admit it, but I can guarantee you guys this, he did it to the extreme and thats what got him banned. As said earlier Usiel did nothing to truly get chewed out the way she did. Mark didn't deserve it either, no body did. I have never (since becoming MOD at least lol) taken someone out the way Ref did...if I did and you truly believe it's up to par with the stuff he says and does. If I have called you directly an idiot please please PM a mod/admin about it so that they can take care of that.

Lol anyways please don't associate us with the Pope, I'm not old yet nor do I practice abstinence if your going to compare me to someone try Bill Clinton...maybe 50 cent...or Sadam lol just so long as the comparasion doesnt end with me hanging.

 

[FireHawk]

Close this or LPF is gonna go to ****. People are just going to get feelings hurt. You are basically doing what you banned ref for about banning ref (not referring to anyone except the users of LPF not just Admins/Mods, Elites, or Members).

 

[Victim]

Obviously some things still need to be said, and I say, go ahead and let them say them here and now, before it starts somewheres else..You guys have till Sunday, as stated in the original post, to get whatever you need out..

As far as I can tell, its not out of hand yet.. So, it stays open, for now.

 

[allieking]

ok in my honest opinion if your not happy somewhere you leave, don't just ***** about it because it makes it less enjoyable for the ones who actually enjoy being around. don't call mods and elites behind their backs, have the ***** to go straight to them, i mean how can they know they are bothering you when you don't tell them.

 

[Friðbjörn]

uhh....Haily why are you telling us to be open and honest and telling things and then say whatever we say will never get anything done here?

first you say if we never say anything nothing happens, then you say no matter what we say it won't change anything. interesting.

but alright fair enough. I actually had not seen those posts or at least the most brutal ones. if you think it's a fair decision, fine.

you say it's not a dictatorship, alright, it isn't. but it's an oligarchy. regular members don't have a say. they've never had.

and usually they're not supposed to. but ideally the mod position should be elected. I'm not necessarily saying that would work, with popularity contests and so on.

 

[Jeezy]

uhh....Haily why are you telling us to be open and honest and telling things and then say whatever we say will never get anything done here?first you say if we never say anything nothing happens, then you say no matter what we say it won't change anything. interesting.

she said that no matter what you say it won't bring ref back.

If you have problems regarding other members...you should just talk about it to get things changed.

 

[littleblackstone]

u know what?

i'm tired of all that sh*t bout Ref, but i'm gonna express my opinion now cause i have that right too.

I'm glad u banned Ref.

He disrespected me and many other members here. I saw many disrespecting posts made by him before they got delected of course, so i know what i'm talking about.

Some of u keep saying he was fine and he just spiced things up, but he was doing it in the wrong way.

i dont think LPF would be more interesting with flaming wars, mainly caused by Ref.

he had many chances to change his negative behaviour and he just wasted them all.

lets just face it guys.

LPF needs members with good sense of humor, but not disrespecting with other members.

 

[allieking]

well said hun ^

 

[littleblackstone]

well said hun ^

thankz allie

 

[Friðbjörn]

she said that no matter what you say it won't bring ref back.
If you have problems regarding other members...you should just talk about it to get things changed.

like I said in the PM, I'm not really interested in trying to save the helpless. I mean that metaphorically.

me talking isn't gonna change anything.

a bunch of words from people that aren't in charge or influence don't change ****. this isn't India during the Ghandi era

 

[azemkamikaze03]

me talking isn't gonna change anything.

a bunch of words from people that aren't in charge or influence don't change ****.

You really honestly truly believe this?

 

[Stllmn8j]

You really honestly truly believe this?

Pretty much...we can complain about **** as much as we want but most likely nothing will change or happen because of it

(Unless it's Mark complaining about Ref)

 

[azemkamikaze03]

It's a shame, because you guys are really mistaken if you believe that. It'll be true if you believe it to be. We've always been open to take in new ideas and the Mod staff has always been open to help with anything you guys want to do, I know its been said outside of this thread. It's not our job to pry you guys for answers, its your guy's job to give it to us.

If your speaking on terms of banning thats a different story, we have to keep it between the mods because that is what our job entails. and I think it's fair that we make the important final decisions because you have to be unbiased when u deal with a touchy manner and we are.

 

[Victim]

uhh....Haily why are you telling us to be open and honest and telling things and then say whatever we say will never get anything done here?first you say if we never say anything nothing happens, then you say no matter what we say it won't change anything. interesting.

I do believe, I said i was being hypocritical.. Read the post again, and little more slowly please..

I do want you guys to tell us if something is wrong, or if you think it is unjust.. But, just because you do it, doesn't mean we will change it.. But you never know until you try... because you might not have the whole story to begin with.

Jakes case is a bad example.. All your arguments against is ban are too little, too late.. The decision is final...This was a thread to DISCUSS it, not to CHANGE it.

but alright fair enough. I actually had not seen those posts or at least the most brutal ones. if you think it's a fair decision, fine.

Well, atleast this wasn't all a waste.. I promise, there is lots more that you have never read, and never seen.. And too many things he said, just weren't right.

you say it's not a dictatorship, alright, it isn't. but it's an oligarchy. regular members don't have a say. they've never had.

and usually they're not supposed to. but ideally the mod position should be elected. I'm not necessarily saying that would work, with popularity contests and so on.

Lol, you don't think most of the mods now aren't popular? Azem, Mark, Mouse, JEEZY!??!.. Geezumm, they have to be some of the most well known people on this forum..Jeezy did get elected by the people. If we saw the need for more Mods, we would add them, but there isn't room for them now.. But are you seriously suggesting that we wipe out teh current staff, and "elect" all new ones.. Because ****, I think that would turn out worse, then you think it is now. Even if I wasn't on the staff, and I am not including myself in this, I think this is the most relaxed and fair staff I have have ever seen.. and trust me, I am and have been in the past, part of many forums.. So, if you think it is so "unfair" just walk away.. No one is keeping you here..

I like you a lot, and I thought you were a kickass mod.. and if you think the "system" is so corrupt, why didn't you change it back then?

 

[Acezorz]

I am glad he is gone, being opinionated is one thing, but he was being opinionated and attacking other members for giving an opinion that went against his. And as Stenners said, he just started personal attacks on people.

I completely agree with what lbs said too, he was given plenty of chances and he was generally being abusive. I don't think he was being funny with his insults at all, it's just e-bullying to try and get some laughs. I think the mods handled this in the right way; his posts were quite vicious and unfriendly, and often provoked flaming.

 

[Friðbjörn]

I'd just like to say regardless of what we're talking about and what's going to come out of it, I'm glad that people are actually talking things out.

I've never liked fights, but now I think that the occasional not too brutal ones are quite healthy.

You really honestly truly believe this?

yes. now, I'm ideally motivated when it comes to these things, protesting corruption within governments, illegal wars, unlawful annexations, and so on. but I'm talking about on here. lots of regular members on lots of occasions have said a lot of things but it doesn't mean that the staff have taken notice to that.

I'm saying, talking works, just not on here. or at least so I've seen.

IIf your speaking on terms of banning thats a different story, we have to keep it between the mods because that is what our job entails. and I think it's fair that we make the important final decisions because you have to be unbiased when u deal with a touchy manner and we are.

haha, seriously, that's the funniest thing I've read all day

Lol, you don't think most of the mods now aren't popular? Azem, Mark, Mouse, JEEZY!??!.. Geezumm, they have to be some of the most well known people on this forum..Jeezy did get elected by the people. If we saw the need for more Mods, we would add them, but there isn't room for them now.. But are you seriously suggesting that we wipe out teh current staff, and "elect" all new ones.. Because ****, I think that would turn out worse, then you think it is now. Even if I wasn't on the staff, and I am not including myself in this, I think this is the most relaxed and fair staff I have have ever seen.. and trust me, I am and have been in the past, part of many forums.. So, if you think it is so "unfair" just walk away.. No one is keeping you here..
I like you a lot, and I thought you were a kickass mod.. and if you think the "system" is so corrupt, why didn't you change it back then?

now, you read my post again. I did not say that, or I did at least not mean that. I'm saying, a vote would actually not work, in many cases with it being a popularity contest. so, I'm pondering here. and I find that a vote actually would not work.

yes I do believe a few things here are a bit rotten, but I'm not gonna walk away. sure, I have taken months long breaks in the past, but I'm not gonna quit on the whole struggle.

thanks and all, but I don't really recall you being much around when I was mod. but please correct me if I'm wrong.

lol, it's not like I had power to change things. one mod doesn't change much in that respect. besides, I was much too naive, and dumb as ****. I went all personal in against mark's attacks, which was a big mistake, because if you answer back you're giving the bully what they want. there was at one time when I was mod also a huge fight between various members. I remember being dragged into msn group conversations with people I was possibly going to ban. not smart. but yeah if what you're saying is true, that you guys do take a vote before kicking someone off, good on you. cause back then, we didn't take official vote, I think. ask Mouse though, he might remember better.

I just feel like I'm getting mixed signals. alright I can back up about Ref, although I'm not happy truth be told, but I'm speaking out in general. now, I can't judge how unfair or vicious I may be, but I'm speaking out the best I can.

you guys are telling me I'm saying bullshit, or so I get the feeling, yet there's this talk about us giving feed if we fell something is wrong. I dunno.

and yeah, I did say a whole lotta talk doesn't do much, yet I do it. why? cause I wanna change that.

I hope that at least that changes around here, cause I'm feeling quite alienated at the moment here. and maybe I can't ever say anything that you guys will accept as understandable by your standards, but I'm being honest here, from my standpoint.

 

[Acezorz]

Meh, at the end of the day, this is an internet forum, drama like this is going to happen and people like Ref are going to be around, I see it all the time. It's a vicious cycle of e-drama that will be here as long as the internet is.