religion...a waste?
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Jhony5
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Christian scientists just love to use science against itself to create a paradox such as the ones Builder has shown. Unfortunately for them, these are not true paradoxes. Only feeble attempts at creating one.
Posted by Builder:
Here is what your scenario laid out.
ENTER RELIGIOUS RHETORIC
I can create darkness, as I have shown.
I can create evil, as I have shown.
I can create ***, as well. *** is the creation of man. If man created ***, then he exist right? NO! *** is an idea. An idea does not actually exist until it is realized or proven. A Christian cannot show proof of *** creating man. I can, however, show proof of man creating ***. In Christianity I can show this by way of historical document. The writings of the apostles and various other documents. *** is an idea. An idea created by man. There are many reasons one could cite for this. In the beginning it was, as I stated earlier in this thread, a ready explanation for the unexplainable. For instance.............
What happens when we die?
Where did the first man come from?
How did the earth come to be?
These are all examples of instances that cannot be answered to this day by means of scientific fact. *** provides the ready explanation.
The base idea expressed in your scenario were examples of certain states that supposedly do not exist, they are only explained to be (in this scenario) by way of the absence of their opposite. Cold-Hot. Dark-Light. Good-Evil. If we consider this to be logic, then how far can we take this?
Cold is created by the absence of heat.
Darkness is created by the absence of light.
Evil is created through action.
*** is an idea. Ideas do not exist.
Posted by Builder:
Yes, evil does exist. It is a creation of man. Anything that can be shown to be present, is a creation of something. Whether it be physical or otherwise.
Here is what your scenario laid out.
The idea here is that cold doesn't exist, only the absence of heat. This is wrong. Anything that can be created, and shown to be present, must exist. I can create cold. I can also create heat. Cold is indeed a sensation, but is also an elemental property that exist with varying degrees. Absolute zero (using your figure of -460 F) is an elemental degree that exist. It can be measured and shown to be present.
Darkness exist in the absence of light. Can one create darkness? Yes. By removing all the light present, I have created darkness. If I can create a state of darkness, then it exist.
Evil is a subjective term, unlike cold and dark. This term is subject to each individuals idea of what evil is. Evil is an action. An action requires energy to create it, to set it in motion. If you were for instance, to claim stabbing a kitten is evil, then one can create evil by way of stabbing the kitten. The person whom acted by way of evil in this instance, has created evil. He could have nurtured this animal and provided it with love and caring. Instead the person chose to create evil, by way of action.
ENTER RELIGIOUS RHETORIC
I can create cold, as I have shown.
I can create darkness, as I have shown.
I can create evil, as I have shown.
I can create ***, as well. *** is the creation of man. If man created ***, then he exist right? NO! *** is an idea. An idea does not actually exist until it is realized or proven. A Christian cannot show proof of *** creating man. I can, however, show proof of man creating ***. In Christianity I can show this by way of historical document. The writings of the apostles and various other documents. *** is an idea. An idea created by man. There are many reasons one could cite for this. In the beginning it was, as I stated earlier in this thread, a ready explanation for the unexplainable. For instance.............
What happens when we die?
Where did the first man come from?
How did the earth come to be?
These are all examples of instances that cannot be answered to this day by means of scientific fact. *** provides the ready explanation.
The base idea expressed in your scenario were examples of certain states that supposedly do not exist, they are only explained to be (in this scenario) by way of the absence of their opposite. Cold-Hot. Dark-Light. Good-Evil. If we consider this to be logic, then how far can we take this?
Cold is created by the absence of heat.
Darkness is created by the absence of light.
Evil is created through action.
*** is an idea. Ideas do not exist.
kokorosenshi
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neither did your mom when i bang her so bad she couldn't move her wide spreaded legs
keep talking and you'll get whats coming to ya
kokorosenshi
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before i continue reading, jhony, dont confuse my mom for your sister, and btw, tell that ***** to give me my 5 bucks back for the condoms she used on...you.
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eddo...eddo, eddo, eddo, what can i say about you, not much, btw, tell your girlfriend to get off me, that ***** chased me on my car, i had to back up to get rid of her
ClassyMissFancy
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I think the very first post of this thread proves religion's usefulness.
There will always be dumb ***** out there who don't care that their actions hurt other animals or even people...
But if you tell them their sky-buddy is gonna kick their *****... they will calm the **** down and go repent.
There will always be dumb ***** out there who don't care that their actions hurt other animals or even people...
But if you tell them their sky-buddy is gonna kick their *****... they will calm the **** down and go repent.
eddo
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I cannot disagree that compression turns smaller minerals into rocks. But i can disagree how the "thousand year old" rocks got there. Like I said before: I believe that when *** created the earth, he built age into it (or even that the "age" markers were created during formation of the planet.) Thus he created the rocks, the diamonds, and all else that we see that we think are millions and milions of years old.
Fact is- if you don't start off with a piece of coal and wait tens of thousads of years and watch that very piece of coal become a diamond, you really can't be exactly sure where that particualr diamond came from.
Ok, I got what you are saying. I disagree, but I understand.
again, I disagree. I understand that there have been times where it was "Be the faith of the country or die!" (and that has been in place for more than just Christianity over the centuries.)
My point is that there have been more people trying to discredit Christianity than there has been any other faith. More scientists, researchers, scholars trying to prove Jesus didn't exist, or it happened differently than what the Bible states, and none of them have come up with anything concrete.
Not many faiths can make the claim that so many have tried to tear it apart to only go home empty handed.
This reply actually surprised me. I duno if I have ever heard of Christianity called a "civilized religion" from someone who doesn't follow it. Christians are well known for being "behind the times" in relation to beliefs, moral code, and political issues.
Cool.
This whole thing has gotten really stupid. There are so many misconceptions, ignorant conclusions, confusions, and baseless opinions it has become useless to address any of it save to say that the whole thing has gotten really stupid.
This thread is a waste. That is the only conclusion.
This thread is a waste. That is the only conclusion.
And that was YOUR reply to this?
Thanks for the waste of heartbeats sport. Fine. I will begin with you.
Well isn't that a convenient and utterly stupid thing to do. Why the **** would He "build age" into the earth? For what possible purpose? Let me guess, divine wisdom that you need not understand. That is completely useless conjecture that has nothing to do with religion. It is your shameless rationalization in the face of irrefutable evidence to the contrary of your belief system. Quote me where in the bible it says *** built age into the earth.
You can't just take anything that proves you wrong and say "*** did it".
No, but you can observe the changes to compounds by applying external controlled pressure and apply the principals to different compounds of the same molecular structure... or does *** do that too right in front of you? For what purpose? To tempt you away from Him? Or is it the devil? WIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH...
You confused little lemming. That is PRECISELY what you are doing.
Hear a whole lot about the holy shroud of Turin lately? Here is the problem... the FIRST problem with your rationale, which is different than logic...
You cannot prove a negative. You can use facts to discount claims... you know... unless you change the rules of the known universe to "fix" the gaping ******* holes in your philosophy... I mean... if I prove that the earth is more than 10,000 years old, you jump up with "*** built age into the earth." There is no CONVINCING YOU, that does not mean that nothing can be discredited.
Better?
phreakwars
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eddo recommends Midol to everyone. It's what works best for his ***** ***.
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phreakwars
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Jhony5
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I'm not a Christian but I can be non-biased and rational enough too understand that Christianity in-particular, has done well to change with the times. Look at how Catholicism has perpetuated the AIDS epidemic with its fervent stance against condoms. Or it's inability too acknowledge human sexuality which has caused many a buggering of young boys. Christianity understands that the key to survival is adaptation.
To prove this one does not need to wait tens of thousands of years. Much the same we don't have to actually travel to Venus to know its exact distance. Boil it down and its a matter of mathematics. We know that to create a diamond from coal it requires X amount of compression. We also know that the earth cannot provide X amount of compression unless it applies this pressure over Y amount of years.
Why the hurry though? Why the trickery? Was it just an oddity in Gods plan? It would seem to me that the best interest of the X-tian faith would be too concur with known fact. Ahhh, but they can't, as it was written from the word of *** so long ago by the ignorant men whom desired to describe all that is, was and ever will be. Every culture did this. Long ago they had 'wise men' whom preached the truth to the others and offered them a reason for their existence.
My point being, why would *** tell man the age of the earth? What would the point of that be? Just throwing it out there I suppose.
So we have two sides. One says "No way. We have sedimentary layering and a litany of other scientific fact too support the fact that the earth is millions of years old, not a few thousand".
Its what the other side has to say that sheds light on their own blind following. Quite simply the explanation is MAGIC. Yes its true. Call it what you want. A miracle of ***, a magic trick, whatever. You cannot argue the age of the earth with a Christian. All they have to do is claim 'Magic did it' and your argument fails. They say "When *** said he built the earth in days, he really did it in millions of years because *** hadn't created time yet. So what he called days, was really millions of years". I say WTF? This is a failure of logic. Time is a constant, not subject to a change of parameters. *** told the apostles of the purported time span of the creation of the Earth long after he created time. So why still refer to it as days, and not the factual report of millions of years?
The answer is convoluted by X-tian rhetoric. In reality men created ***. With this they created his divine word, not subject too alteration with the revealing of fact. Fact is the apostles had no ****** idea that one day man would learn facts that countered the bibles claims. They didn't know their secret would dissolve by something as rudimentary as a dinosaur bone.
ClassyMissFancy
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In biblical debate, anyone who asserts they believe the *** of the Christian Bible created the earth as is stated in Genesis must not attempt to justify those beliefs with things that are not stated in the Bible.
Why?
Revelation 22, Verse 18: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, *** shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book
To say "I believe *** made the earth appear to be millions of years old" is adding to the bible in order to be able to believe what the Bible says.
Faith requires that you read it and, regardless of how ridiculous it appears, you accept it as 100% accurate so that it is KNOWLEDGE to you in the same way your gender is knowledge... and you do so without having to believe it could possibly have happened... because when you KNOW something did happen, you have no need to invent scenarios under which it may have been possible.
If you can not accept the things the Bible says simply because the Bible says them, without attempting to interject scenarios under which these things seem possible to you, then you have no faith.
If you can not defend the words of the Bible with the words of the Bible.. you should not attempt to defend them at all. Anything else violates Revelation 22:18.
Why?
Revelation 22, Verse 18: For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, *** shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book
To say "I believe *** made the earth appear to be millions of years old" is adding to the bible in order to be able to believe what the Bible says.
Faith requires that you read it and, regardless of how ridiculous it appears, you accept it as 100% accurate so that it is KNOWLEDGE to you in the same way your gender is knowledge... and you do so without having to believe it could possibly have happened... because when you KNOW something did happen, you have no need to invent scenarios under which it may have been possible.
If you can not accept the things the Bible says simply because the Bible says them, without attempting to interject scenarios under which these things seem possible to you, then you have no faith.
If you can not defend the words of the Bible with the words of the Bible.. you should not attempt to defend them at all. Anything else violates Revelation 22:18.
snafu
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Religion is a double edged sword.
It has killed more people than any other reason. (Big negative!)
But on the other hand it has brought sanctity and relief. It answers questions that can never be answered any other way. It puts time and space in perspective for the mortal man (alpha, omega) . It gives us morals to abide by.
It has killed more people than any other reason. (Big negative!)
But on the other hand it has brought sanctity and relief. It answers questions that can never be answered any other way. It puts time and space in perspective for the mortal man (alpha, omega) . It gives us morals to abide by.
Jhony5
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Like what?
You can't qualify most biblical "answers" as answers at all. For example.
My question: How did the first woman come too be?
Biblical answer:*** made her from the rib of Adam.
Thats not a ******* answer. Thats a *** dammed silly ancient fairy tale.
Religion isn't all bad. Many people are utterly lost without a leader or some divine meaning to life.
Everybody wants too live forever. Religion gives this to us. Eternal soul insurance.