Jhony5
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Christian scientists just love to use science against itself to create a paradox such as the ones Builder has shown. Unfortunately for them, these are not true paradoxes. Only feeble attempts at creating one.
Posted by Builder:
Here is what your scenario laid out.
ENTER RELIGIOUS RHETORIC
I can create cold, as I have shown.
I can create darkness, as I have shown.
I can create evil, as I have shown.
I can create god, as well. God is the creation of man. If man created god, then he exist right? NO! God is an idea. An idea does not actually exist until it is realized or proven. A Christian cannot show proof of god creating man. I can, however, show proof of man creating god. In Christianity I can show this by way of historical document. The writings of the apostles and various other documents. God is an idea. An idea created by man. There are many reasons one could cite for this. In the beginning it was, as I stated earlier in this thread, a ready explanation for the unexplainable. For instance.............
What happens when we die?
Where did the first man come from?
How did the earth come to be?
These are all examples of instances that cannot be answered to this day by means of scientific fact. God provides the ready explanation.
The base idea expressed in your scenario were examples of certain states that supposedly do not exist, they are only explained to be (in this scenario) by way of the absence of their opposite. Cold-Hot. Dark-Light. Good-Evil. If we consider this to be logic, then how far can we take this?
Cold is created by the absence of heat.
Darkness is created by the absence of light.
Evil is created through action.
God is an idea. Ideas do not exist.
Posted by Builder:
Yes, evil does exist. It is a creation of man. Anything that can be shown to be present, is a creation of something. Whether it be physical or otherwise.Does evil exist? Did God create evil?
Here is what your scenario laid out.
"Professor does cold exist?"
The idea here is that cold doesn't exist, only the absence of heat. This is wrong. Anything that can be created, and shown to be present, must exist. I can create cold. I can also create heat. Cold is indeed a sensation, but is also an elemental property that exist with varying degrees. Absolute zero (using your figure of -460 F) is an elemental degree that exist. It can be measured and shown to be present."In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat.
"Professor, does darkness exist?"
Darkness exist in the absence of light. Can one create darkness? Yes. By removing all the light present, I have created darkness. If I can create a state of darkness, then it exist."Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light.
"Sir, does evil exist?"
Evil is a subjective term, unlike cold and dark. This term is subject to each individuals idea of what evil is. Evil is an action. An action requires energy to create it, to set it in motion. If you were for instance, to claim stabbing a kitten is evil, then one can create evil by way of stabbing the kitten. The person whom acted by way of evil in this instance, has created evil. He could have nurtured this animal and provided it with love and caring. Instead the person chose to create evil, by way of action."Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God.
ENTER RELIGIOUS RHETORIC
Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold; words that man has created to describe the absence of light and heat. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."
I can create cold, as I have shown.
I can create darkness, as I have shown.
I can create evil, as I have shown.
I can create god, as well. God is the creation of man. If man created god, then he exist right? NO! God is an idea. An idea does not actually exist until it is realized or proven. A Christian cannot show proof of god creating man. I can, however, show proof of man creating god. In Christianity I can show this by way of historical document. The writings of the apostles and various other documents. God is an idea. An idea created by man. There are many reasons one could cite for this. In the beginning it was, as I stated earlier in this thread, a ready explanation for the unexplainable. For instance.............
What happens when we die?
Where did the first man come from?
How did the earth come to be?
These are all examples of instances that cannot be answered to this day by means of scientific fact. God provides the ready explanation.
The base idea expressed in your scenario were examples of certain states that supposedly do not exist, they are only explained to be (in this scenario) by way of the absence of their opposite. Cold-Hot. Dark-Light. Good-Evil. If we consider this to be logic, then how far can we take this?
Cold is created by the absence of heat.
Darkness is created by the absence of light.
Evil is created through action.
God is an idea. Ideas do not exist.