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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:02:18 +1100, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:brt8l31tgrmsv1ff00gulkq9qh8uqjeta2@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:38:55 +1100, "Andrew W"
>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:k48hk3dg37dg440l8dbfr94e4v7gc2n51l@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:02:43 +1100, "Andrew W"
>>>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:8s7fk3l45komt1jv6lvj92m9kmvvrmfdl6@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:04:20 -0500, "Ghamph"
>>>>>> <ghamph@localnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Andrew" <thecroft@macunlimited.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:2007112321462475249-thecroft@macunlimitednet...
>>>>>>>> On 2007-11-23 17:44:30 +0000, "Ghamph" <ghamph@localnet.com> said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Your all powerful God permited it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And your co-religionists went ahead and did it. Don't blame God for
>>>>>>>> what people do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thank you, people are all powerful, not God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If God wanted to, he could make all of us mindless robots since
>>>>>> so many of us are determined to be so wicked.
>>>>>
>>>>>Most people who reject the Christian God are not wicked.
>>>>>Wicked people are in a minority,
>>>>
>>>> Really? It's only a few people that are murdering millions of
>>>> babies every year? It's only a few people that are committing
>>>> adultery? Stealing? Lying? Fornication? Adultery? If we can't
>>>> even be honest about how wicked we are, we have no chance of
>>>> bettering ourselves.
>>>
>>>You Christians have a flare for the dramatic. You are driven by pious
>>>emotion and religious fervour based on wild beliefs that stem from
>>>negative
>>>thinking and hatred toward the human race.
>>>The Bible God killed without any thought. Why are humans suddenly so
>>>valuable?
>>>Abortion is not exactly wickedness. It depends on your beliefs.
>>
>> It's sad you find it so easy to rationalize away murdering
>> babies. No wonder millions of babies are murdered every year.
>
>
>The only one calling abortion "murdering babies" is you and a few others
>like you!!
>Its your private little war on society.
No, it's a public war against the murder of innocent babies.
Against murderers like you that make up pitiful excuses on why
it's ok to murder innocent babies. Amazing how hard you fight for
your "right" to murder babies. Someone has to speak up for the
victims of your murderous nature, for the victims cannot defend
themselves from the likes of you.
>
>> Not
>> exactly wickedness? Tell that to Christ when you face Him one day
>> - on that day you'll have no choice but to accept the truth of
>> how evil it is to murder babies.
>
>Yet your so called "God's Word" says nothing about it.
Why tell more lies?
Exodus 20:13 KJVR
13 Thou shalt not kill.
Deuteronomy 5:17 KJVR
17 Thou shalt not kill.
Matthew 5:21 KJVR
21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou
shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of
the judgment:
Romans 13:9 KJVR
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not
kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it
is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love
thy neighbor as thyself.
Luke 2:21 KJVR
21 And when eight days were accomplished for the
circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was
so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
Luke 1:44 KJVR
44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded
in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
Luke 1:15 KJVR
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and
shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled
with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Notice "even from his mother's womb".
Hosea 12:3 KJVR
3 He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his
strength he had power with God:
Jeremiah 20:17 KJVR
17 Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother
might have been my grave, and her womb to be always great with
me.
Jeremiah 1:5 KJVR
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before
thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I
ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Notice " before thou camest forth out of the womb I
sanctified thee .. "
Isaiah 49:5 KJVR
5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to
be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not
gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my
God shall be my strength.
Isaiah 48:8 KJVR
8 Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from
that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou
wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor
from the womb.
Isaiah 44:24 KJVR
24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed
thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that
stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the
earth by myself;
Ecclesiastes 11:5 KJVR
5 As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor
how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even
so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
Psalms 139:13 KJVR
13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me
in my mother's womb.
Judges 13:7 KJVR
7 But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and
bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat
any unclean thing: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from
the womb to the day of his death.
Not from the time he "exits" the womb, but from the womb to the
day of his death.
>Do you perhaps have a baby (foetus) obsession or something?
More faulty logic that works both ways: Do you have a murdering
obsession or something?
>Do you consider yourself to be a right wing extremist?
Do you consider yourself to be a murderer by rights?
>Would you kill for it?
You are killing, innocent babies no less, which is the whole
point.
>Guess what, Christ doesn't like extremists.
Christ doesn't like murderers. And he does want us to preach the
gospel.
Mark 16:15 KJVR
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and
preach the gospel to every creature.
Luke 4:18 KJVR
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath
anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to
heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives,
and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that
are bruised,
Acts 16:10 KJVR
10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we
endeavored to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the
Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.
Romans 10:15 KJVR
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is
written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the
gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
1 Corinthians 9:16 KJVR
16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory
of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I
preach not the gospel!
Galatians 1:8 KJVR
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other
gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let
him be accursed.
And you preach the gospel of "it's ok to murder your baby, and
God says nothing about it." A most dishonest lie you tell about
God.
Galatians 1:9 KJVR
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach
any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be
accursed.
You continue to tell lies, and for what? For your self-proclaimed
right to murder babies.
As I said before, you'll have your chance to tell Christ when you
face Him one day that you think God says it's ok to murder
babies; that you think it's ok to murder babies - on that day
you'll have no choice but to accept the truth of how evil it is
to murder babies, and accept the truth of the consequences you'll
have to face.
Or you can sincerely repent and call on Christ to save you. And
He will! I hope you make the right choice.
>
>> The fact that you act like it's
>> ok to murder babies is utterly amazing and sad at the same time.
>> There's nothing more to say.
>
>I never said its ok to murder babies. You're the one who insists that
>foetuses are fully developed people.
>You're trying to impose your private definition onto society. You seem to
>think that you're the only righteous person left in the world. That is
>self-righteousness.
>Your God doesn't value foetuses but for some reason you think they're
>priceless. You think you're better than him.
<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:brt8l31tgrmsv1ff00gulkq9qh8uqjeta2@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:38:55 +1100, "Andrew W"
>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:k48hk3dg37dg440l8dbfr94e4v7gc2n51l@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:02:43 +1100, "Andrew W"
>>>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:8s7fk3l45komt1jv6lvj92m9kmvvrmfdl6@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:04:20 -0500, "Ghamph"
>>>>>> <ghamph@localnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Andrew" <thecroft@macunlimited.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:2007112321462475249-thecroft@macunlimitednet...
>>>>>>>> On 2007-11-23 17:44:30 +0000, "Ghamph" <ghamph@localnet.com> said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Your all powerful God permited it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And your co-religionists went ahead and did it. Don't blame God for
>>>>>>>> what people do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thank you, people are all powerful, not God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If God wanted to, he could make all of us mindless robots since
>>>>>> so many of us are determined to be so wicked.
>>>>>
>>>>>Most people who reject the Christian God are not wicked.
>>>>>Wicked people are in a minority,
>>>>
>>>> Really? It's only a few people that are murdering millions of
>>>> babies every year? It's only a few people that are committing
>>>> adultery? Stealing? Lying? Fornication? Adultery? If we can't
>>>> even be honest about how wicked we are, we have no chance of
>>>> bettering ourselves.
>>>
>>>You Christians have a flare for the dramatic. You are driven by pious
>>>emotion and religious fervour based on wild beliefs that stem from
>>>negative
>>>thinking and hatred toward the human race.
>>>The Bible God killed without any thought. Why are humans suddenly so
>>>valuable?
>>>Abortion is not exactly wickedness. It depends on your beliefs.
>>
>> It's sad you find it so easy to rationalize away murdering
>> babies. No wonder millions of babies are murdered every year.
>
>
>The only one calling abortion "murdering babies" is you and a few others
>like you!!
>Its your private little war on society.
No, it's a public war against the murder of innocent babies.
Against murderers like you that make up pitiful excuses on why
it's ok to murder innocent babies. Amazing how hard you fight for
your "right" to murder babies. Someone has to speak up for the
victims of your murderous nature, for the victims cannot defend
themselves from the likes of you.
>
>> Not
>> exactly wickedness? Tell that to Christ when you face Him one day
>> - on that day you'll have no choice but to accept the truth of
>> how evil it is to murder babies.
>
>Yet your so called "God's Word" says nothing about it.
Why tell more lies?
Exodus 20:13 KJVR
13 Thou shalt not kill.
Deuteronomy 5:17 KJVR
17 Thou shalt not kill.
Matthew 5:21 KJVR
21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou
shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of
the judgment:
Romans 13:9 KJVR
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not
kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it
is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love
thy neighbor as thyself.
Luke 2:21 KJVR
21 And when eight days were accomplished for the
circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was
so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
Luke 1:44 KJVR
44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded
in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
Luke 1:15 KJVR
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and
shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled
with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Notice "even from his mother's womb".
Hosea 12:3 KJVR
3 He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his
strength he had power with God:
Jeremiah 20:17 KJVR
17 Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother
might have been my grave, and her womb to be always great with
me.
Jeremiah 1:5 KJVR
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before
thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I
ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Notice " before thou camest forth out of the womb I
sanctified thee .. "
Isaiah 49:5 KJVR
5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to
be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not
gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my
God shall be my strength.
Isaiah 48:8 KJVR
8 Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from
that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou
wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor
from the womb.
Isaiah 44:24 KJVR
24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed
thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that
stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the
earth by myself;
Ecclesiastes 11:5 KJVR
5 As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor
how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even
so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
Psalms 139:13 KJVR
13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me
in my mother's womb.
Judges 13:7 KJVR
7 But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and
bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat
any unclean thing: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from
the womb to the day of his death.
Not from the time he "exits" the womb, but from the womb to the
day of his death.
>Do you perhaps have a baby (foetus) obsession or something?
More faulty logic that works both ways: Do you have a murdering
obsession or something?
>Do you consider yourself to be a right wing extremist?
Do you consider yourself to be a murderer by rights?
>Would you kill for it?
You are killing, innocent babies no less, which is the whole
point.
>Guess what, Christ doesn't like extremists.
Christ doesn't like murderers. And he does want us to preach the
gospel.
Mark 16:15 KJVR
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and
preach the gospel to every creature.
Luke 4:18 KJVR
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath
anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to
heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives,
and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that
are bruised,
Acts 16:10 KJVR
10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we
endeavored to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the
Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.
Romans 10:15 KJVR
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is
written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the
gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
1 Corinthians 9:16 KJVR
16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory
of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I
preach not the gospel!
Galatians 1:8 KJVR
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other
gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let
him be accursed.
And you preach the gospel of "it's ok to murder your baby, and
God says nothing about it." A most dishonest lie you tell about
God.
Galatians 1:9 KJVR
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach
any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be
accursed.
You continue to tell lies, and for what? For your self-proclaimed
right to murder babies.
As I said before, you'll have your chance to tell Christ when you
face Him one day that you think God says it's ok to murder
babies; that you think it's ok to murder babies - on that day
you'll have no choice but to accept the truth of how evil it is
to murder babies, and accept the truth of the consequences you'll
have to face.
Or you can sincerely repent and call on Christ to save you. And
He will! I hope you make the right choice.
>
>> The fact that you act like it's
>> ok to murder babies is utterly amazing and sad at the same time.
>> There's nothing more to say.
>
>I never said its ok to murder babies. You're the one who insists that
>foetuses are fully developed people.
>You're trying to impose your private definition onto society. You seem to
>think that you're the only righteous person left in the world. That is
>self-righteousness.
>Your God doesn't value foetuses but for some reason you think they're
>priceless. You think you're better than him.