Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity, Stiffed by the Media

On Nov 18, 8:24 am, US wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:43:37 -0600, Mamamia <replyt...@thenewsgroup.purtyplease> wrote:
> >In article <jgjuj3l33ofctf19v2fin50tp9apq10...@4ax.com>, Cl...@Knicklas.com wrote:
> >> ... HE ain't in a majory [sic], can't have his way,
> >> and rails (almost daily) against the government who's
> >> paid his way for decades.

>
> >Read Number 4 below to see how he's paid back our government. Then
> >re-read it:

>
> >Ron Paul:
> >10. He is Pro-Life
> >As Dr. Paul was a medical doctor before he began his career in politics,
> >he is in opposition to abortion, and believes the political choices
> >concerning abortion, adoption, and marriage should be decided by the
> >states, not the federal government.

>
> >9. His support for Privacy and Property rights
> >Since he believes the government is the biggest threat to people's
> >privacy, a limited government is one of his strongest concerns.

>
> >Paul perceives the NAFTA superhighway, currently under design, as
> >another important concern. This 12-lane theoretical highway would
> >destroy homes and other private property in its path.

>
> >8. Views on 9/11
> >Although he has been asked relentlessly about his position on the U.S.'s
> >involvement in the September 11th attacks, he denies that they were
> >personally responsible for carrying out mass murder against their
> >citizens. He is definitely not foolish enough to throw away his
> >political career by adding his name into the 9/11 conspiracy movement.

>
> >7. Military Service
> >Paul served in the U.S. Air Force before completing his medical
> >training. He stayed with the Air Force throughout the Vietnam era before
> >running for congress. Along with his previous medical experience, he
> >served as a flight surgeon in the military during the 1960's to aid
> >injured pilots and aircraftmen.

>
> >6. He opposed the War in Iraq
> >Ever since the beginning of the war back in 2002, Ron Paul voted to not
> >take military action against Iraq. He believes that congress should be
> >the only body to have the power to declare war, as written in the
> >constitution.

>
> >5. He supports Free Trade
> >Many trade issues and organizations he opposes include NAFTA, the WTO,
> >national ID cards, along with withdrawal from global organizations such
> >as the United Nations and NATO. All these groups, in Paul's opinion,
> >discredit U.S. sovereignty and weaken American trade as a whole.

>
> >4. Never had a congressional pension
> >Throughout Paul's entire political career, he has never voted to raise
> >congressional pay and or participate in the pension program. The
> >"immoral" program pays congressmen based on how long they have served in
> >the legislative body of the federal government.

>
> >He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the
> >U.S. treasury every year, along with never accepting medicaid or
> >medicare.

>
> >3. He Annihilates at the Republican Debates
> >Not only has hew won four of the last five Internet polls, he uses
> >common sense and the United States Constitution as his basis for making
> >decisions and taking stances on the political issues.

>
> >2. He opposes the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and the Income Tax
> >If Representative Ron Paul were to be elected president of the United
> >States in 2008, he pledges that he will work for major reform concerning
> >our currency and taxation issues. He believes that the 16th amendment
> >was never properly ratified, and wants to abolish the Federal Reserve
> >and the IRS. Instead of paying loads of money to those organizations in
> >loads of taxes, Paul will reduce federal spending (the loss of income
> >would be covered through federal downsizing and reformation) and want to
> >return to the "gold and silver standard" of hard currency.

>
> >These new ideas will also pave way for Social Security reform. The
> >congressman would give workers a choice if they wish to participate in
> >the program or not.

>
> >1. Impressive Voting Record
> >According to Paul's 2008 Presidential Campaign website:

>
> >He has never voted to raise taxes.
> >He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
> >He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
> >He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
> >He has never taken a government-paid junket.
> >He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

>
> >He voted against the Patriot Act.
> >He voted against regulating the Internet.
> >He voted against the Iraq war.

>
> Thanks for posting that.


Yes Shawn Smith is famous for negatives. His
every post is about negatives, as is Ron Paul's
record.

Ron Paul has neither integrity nor principles
worthy of respect.

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Where's All That Money Coming From?

At first, I assumed, and had even written, that Ron Paul's financial
support was coming from the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party.
Then I was corrected by former Ron Paul aide and founder of the
Libertarian Republican Caucus, Eric Dondero, who also founded
MainstreamLibertarian.com and hosts blogtalk radio show Libertarian
Politics Live.

In an interview with Dondero, he emphatically complained; "Please
refrain in the future from using the label "Libertarian Republican" in
describing Ron Paul. Call him what he is: Some sort of populist
leftwinger."

Dondero continued, "Since 9/11 Paul has become a complete nutcase
conspiratorialist quasi-Anti-Semitic leftwing American-hating
nutball."

These were strong words from a former aide to Mr. Paul (from 1997 -
2003) and words worthy of investigation in my mind. So I decided to
investigate, which in politics always means, follow the money.

Where Is All That Money Coming From?

Upon investigation, it appears that Mr. Dondero is exactly right. Much
of Ron Paul's money is not coming from mainstream Libertarians or
Republicans.

Although he is running as a Republican, he actually has very little
support from rank and file Republicans, as every national Republican
poll confirms. But it turns out that he has very little support from
mainstream Libertarians either. As Dondero pointed out, "Ron Paul is
only attracting support from the leftwing side of the libertarian
spectrum, virtually none of whom are Republicans."

According to official campaign fund raising filings posted at
www.opensecrets.org, Ron Paul's top contributor is well known internet
giant Google. Google, with Al Gore on the board of directors, has a
long history of progressive political activism, both in the way they
censor search results to bury conservative slanted stories, and in
their campaign contribution habits, which is solidly Democrat, with
the exception of Ron Paul.

Like Howard Dean before him, Ron Paul first grabbed headlines with his
very hi-tech internet campaign, which is now easily explained by the
fact that his largest constituency is in the computer tech community.
It also explains how Paul supporters have perfected the art of
"spamming" or "jamming" online polls, creating a false impression of
bigger support while invalidating poll after poll. Other tech giants
like Microsoft and Verizon top his donors list as well.

Among Ron Paul's top donor zip codes are of course parts of Texas, but
also heavily liberal districts in Chicago (60614), San Francisco
(94117), more than 80% of which supports Nancy Pelosi and Barbara
Boxer, and Los Angeles - Long Beach, which is his second largest donor
area after Dallas.

What we have here is a candidate trying to win the Republican
nomination by raising money from liberals across the political aisle.

This Is Why His Fund-Raising Is Not Translating To Improved Poll
Positions

His donors are not Republicans. So no matter how much money he raises,
it is not translating into Republican support in the polls. He remains
at or below 5% support in every national Republican poll, no matter
how much money he raises.

USA Today reports, "The Iowa Republican Party put out an advisory
Tuesday setting standards for participation in a Dec. 4 debate.
Sponsors said participants need to average 5% support among
Republicans in recent national or Iowa polls -- and so far, Texas Rep.
Ron Paul is one of the candidates not making the cut."

In Pollster.com's latest averaging of national poll results of
Republicans, Paul's support comes in at 2.7%. The website calculates
Paul's support among Republicans in Iowa, based on polls there, to be
3.8%.

Yet his supporters still claim he is much more popular than the
national polls indicate and that he will be the come from behind
shocker at the Republican convention. How?

Here's Where The Ron Paul Campaign Becomes Dangerous

Because Paul supporters know that support coming from non-Republicans
is not reflected in the Republican polls, they have started a campaign
to promote party-jumping so that their anti-war supporter's from the
left can vote in the Republican primary.

Twenty four states have "open" primaries, which means, one need not be
Republican to vote in those Republican primaries. Ron Paul supporters
are promoting both strategies - one in which Democrats, Independents,
and members of other third parties can vote for him in "open"
primaries where possible, and switch parties to vote for him where the
primaries are "closed."

The mere notion that a Republican presidential candidate should be
nominated by this strategy is insane and very dangerous to the entire
election process. At a minimum, it is a demonstration of just what
kind of people are behind the Ron Paul campaign, obviously, not
constitutionally conscious people. I do not know if the Paul campaign
itself is behind this effort. But I am sure that the campaign is aware
of this effort, as well as the fact that much of their funding is
coming from people other than Republicans.

The Daily Paul is openly promoting Change Party Affiliation to
Republican to Participate in Primaries. "As you may realize, there are
many people from across the spectrum planning to support Ron Paul:
Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Green Party members, disenfranchised
Democrats, and of course the disenfranchised Republicans. Many of
these people may not realize that they NEED to change party
affiliations to Republican to vote in the GOP Primary in many
States." (A direct quote from the site)

So, How Republican Is Republican Candidate Ron Paul?

If he's funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold
districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the
Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very...

The only Republicans we find in his campaign are those myopic small
government conservatives angry with Bush for his Democrat-like
spending habits. Those so angry with Bush, that they are willing to
overlook all of this just to vote for a candidate who promises less
spending. Of course, we can't entirely overlook the handful of
moderate Republicans who oppose the war in Iraq either, few as they
are.
 
Click@Knicklas.com wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:13:00 -0500, "William Flax"
> <krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>> Ron Paul is the one candidate who believes in the rule of law, not the whims
>> of politicians.

>
> No, Paul believes HIS interpretation of what is a "rule
> of law" is correct.


I'm tended to take Knicklas' post apart on syntax and spelling, but it
would be too E-Z, so I'll stick to the issues instead.
>
> Are you now suggesting that Ron Paul is not a
> politician


Of course he is. Do you think the Paul supporters believe he is the new
Messiah?

>
> And are you suggesting that babbling Political concepts
> isn't the mark of a politician


An Ad Hominem aimed at who, exactly?

>
> You'd then have to agree that you're merely accepting
> one politician pandering to your particular "beliefs"
> over that of other politicians


As though there's not room for more than one set of beliefs...

>
> Ron Paul does not believe in a "rule of law"----he
> believes in almost erasing a rule of law by removing
> the laws and protections put in place by generations of
> Learning.


Actually, Paul does believe in the rule of law as set forth in the US
Constitution. This may surprise you, but the US Constitution is the
supreme law of the United States. Despite what this fellow, Learning,
might think.

>
> Why? Because HE ain't in a majory, can't have his way,
> and rails (almost daily) against the government who's
> paid his way for decades.


Paul has paid his own way, unlike a large number of career politicians
such as Giuliani or Clinton. Paul is an MD who has had a successful
private practice.

>
>> When you insult him, you make one doubt your intellectual
>> integrity. You might not agree with him on all issues, but you have to
>> respect his integrity and principles.

>
> Why would ANYONE "respect" a politician who wants to
> return to a time in our history that failed to protect
> us from wealth and power (both individual and
> corporate), shitcan all the years of policy that
> FINALLY broke the disasters visited on us by the
> wealthy and business interests?


You forgot to mention "and wants us to farm small dirt patches with a hoe."

You don't understand what the man is saying, or where the US has gone so
very wrong over the last 50 years.

>
>> And, he is the only candidate who appears to understand foreign policy,
>> also.

>
> Bullshit
>
> His only "understanding" is to sit back and throw bombs
> at government
>
> Why not learn what the concept of "less government"
> actually did from 1850---1930----then explain why you'd
> want to go back


If we only could. Back to a time when the government didn't tell us
what we could put in our mouths, or what we can say, or how to raise our
children, or a country without income taxes, or even put us into foreign
wars without end for no perceptible reason - except the greed of oil
barons and military suppliers.

The fedgov now consumes a quarter of our Gross National Product, and has
another eight percent of our GNP outstanding in National Debt. And we
haven't even looked at the 3X Gross National Product in future
entitlements that the fedgov has failed miserably to fund.

And then there's the historical inflation rate of at least 4%, with
today's inflation rate of some ten percent touched off by the fedgov's
mishandling of oil and no energy policy whatsoever.

And you like today's government? Wear your chains proudly, Knicklas.

--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
 
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:44:03 -0800 (PST),
last_post@rogers.com wrote:

>
> Yes Shawn Smith is famous for negatives. His
> every post is about negatives, as is Ron Paul's
> record.
>
> Ron Paul has neither integrity nor principles
> worthy of respect.



Worse, he appeals to a segment of the population that,
by ignorance or design, don't know what Loonytarianism
did to nearly destroy America a century ago.
 
US wrote:
>On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:50:40 GMT, NoneOfYour****ingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote:
>>... ignorant, gullible... religious, unevidenced belief ...

>You even believe Bush when he claims that God speaks through him.


Try again:

What's to "dispute?" You're expressing your ignorant, gullible rube
mentality by trying to play pretend that this god damned ****ing
traitor is some how different than all the rest. All you're doing is
proclaiming your butt**** religious, unevidenced belief, just like
any other brainless cultist.

---
Yes, George W. Bush IS a Christian. Get over it!
 
>>You even believe Bush when he claims that God speaks through him.
>
> Try again:
>
> What's to "dispute?" You're expressing your ignorant, gullible rube
> mentality by trying to play pretend that this god damned ****ing
> traitor is some how different than all the rest. All you're doing is
> proclaiming your butt**** religious, unevidenced belief, just like
> any other brainless cultist.
>
> Yes, George W. Bush IS a Christian. Get over it!


http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/16/1419245

"CRAIG UNGER: Right. Well, the widespread story -- and he wrote about it, or
at least it was ghostwritten, in his campaign autobiography for 2000, /A
Charge to Keep/ -- it's a story George Bush has told again and again, that
in 1985 Billy Graham was in Kennebunkport, Maine with him and his parents,
and the two men went for a long walk, and it was at that moment that he
began to accept Christ.

"Well, Billy Graham himself says he has absolutely no memory of it..."

Note that A> Bush is from Kennebunkport, Maine, not Texas (meaning the Dixie
Chicks could have come out against "activist politicians from Maine" and
gotten away with it), and that B> Billy Graham was retrofited onto Bush's
conversion to Xtianity as a talking point. But Bush is indeed an Xtian:

"Now, I later went back, and I found a guy named Arthur Blessitt. And it
turns out that even earlier, it was Blessitt who really converted Bush to
Jesus. In 1984, he had made a trip to Midland, Texas and then met at a
Holiday Inn. There were three people present at the meeting: Bush, a member
of his Bible studies group named Jim Sale -- I talked to Jim Sale -- and
Arthur Blessitt himself, who I also interviewed.

"And Blessitt is most famous for carrying a twelve-foot cross of Jesus
around the world. He's been to more than 300 countries, walked 30,000 miles.
And he had a Jesus Coffee House in Los Angeles, where he was most famous for
what was called the toilet baptism. His congregation consisted mostly of
Hell's Angels people, bikers and so forth, and they would dump their drugs
in the toilet, flush it down the toilet and embrace Jesus."

Switching from Coke to apocalyptic Christian Dominionism and Revelation-ism
is quite the short leap, huh? (-;

Kill them infidels!

--
Phlip
 
"William Flax" <krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote:

>Ron Paul is the one candidate who believes in
>the rule of law, not the whims of politicians.


Bullshit. All Ron Paul believes in is his own bank accounts. He's a
god damned Nixon Republican, for god's sake! The ****ing criminal
WORKED FOR NIXON!!!

Only idiot rubes are falling for his typical Republican schtick.

---
Yes, George W. Bush IS a Christian. Get over it!
 
< US > wrote in message news:t4f0k3l77ar2mmpu898ja1v59d532actna@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:43:37 -0600, Mamamia
> <replytome@thenewsgroup.purtyplease> wrote:
>
>>In article <jgjuj3l33ofctf19v2fin50tp9apq10o5u@4ax.com>,
>>Click@Knicklas.com wrote:



come on boys, we've just had 7 years of a pigmy, dicksucking, hillbilly
coward,
and now yall fag boys want to elect another ****ing retarded midget

what's the matter wit yall ?

he promising free blow jobs ?

Yes or No flags in the men's rooms ??
 
On Nov 6, 1:00�pm, "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com>
wrote:
> Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity, Stiffed by the Media
>
> By Brent Budowsky
> Created Nov 5 2007 - 4:26pm
>
> The Ron Paul phenomenon is worth serious attention because in a campaign
> that is vapid and empty of substance, this guy is the real deal.
>
> Please note: Rep. Paul (R-Texas) would cut or end many of the programs that
> serve the children, the poor and the seniors and turn those responsibilities
> over to the free market. Bad idea.
>
> However: Ron Paul is a true libertarian and devout believer in the freedoms
> guaranteed by the Constitution at a time when virtually no major candidate
> in either party speaks of these matters with conviction and Congress does
> not stand up like a lion in defense of them.
>
> To Ron Paul, the Constitution is sacred. He does not do focus groups to
> determine his support for freedom.
>
> It is entertaining and profound to watch Paul, a veteran, speak in these
> debates against a disastrous war policy, standing near candidates competing
> for who can start the most new unwise wars, being hissed at by angry
> audiences ready to send others to die and ready to throw out long-held
> constitutional values.
>
> Of course, the national political reporters don't have a clue about him.
> They are forced to report about him because he raises more money than Sen.
> John McCain (R-Ariz.). The issue they should be reporting is why so many
> people give money to a candidate because of what he stands for, and believes
> in, even when they disagree with many things he says.
>
> Then again, the media treat Sens. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) and Joseph Biden
> (D-Del.) and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D) as though they don't exist
> even though all three have earned the right, through experience and
> achievement, to be heard. Yet they have not been heard, from day one until
> today.
>
> It will be interesting to watch whether Ron Paul ends up running as a
> third-party libertarian candidate, in which case he will win enough support
> to affect the outcome, forcing the national press to pay attention to him.
>
> Agree with him or not, let's tip our hat to Ron Paul, a great voice of
> authenticity, integrity and ideas, which are all, sadly, in short supply in
> American politics today.
>
> [Brent asks that you crosspost your comments to The Hill, where this blog
> entry also appears [1]. --JT]
> _______
>
> About author Brent Budowsky served as Legislative Assistant to U.S. Senator
> Lloyd Bentsen, responsible for commerce and intelligence matters, including
> one of the core drafters of the CIA Identities Law. Served as Legislative
> Director to Congressman Bill Alexander, then Chief Deputy Whip, House of
> Representatives. Currently a member of the International Advisory Council of
> the Intelligence Summit. Left goverment in 1990 for marketing and public
> affairs business including major corporate entertainment and talent
> management. He can be reached at brent...@webtv.net [2].
>
> --
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> Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107
>
> "A little patience and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their
> spells dissolve, and the people recovering their true sight, restore their
> government to its true principles. �It is true that in the meantime we are
> suffering deeply in spirit,
> and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public
> debt. �But if the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have
> patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning
> back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at
> stake."
> -Thomas Jefferson


In all the years i've tried to keep up with politics I never heard of
this guy. So therefore he doesn't have a chance. If you're not
known then it's too late. There are so many Representatives I have
heard about that aren't running. This Paul fellow is an unknown to
me. If you have national aspirations you have to be a known
commodity. He isn't which leads me to think he is not a very strong
legislator.
 
On Nov 18, 5:04 pm, "Phlip" <phlip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>You even believe Bush when he claims that God speaks through him.


>
> > Yes, George W. Bush IS a Christian. Get over it!

(proof positive that the propaganda machine is alive an well in
America)

http://www.yourchristianpresident.com/
 
>> > Yes, George W. Bush IS a Christian. Get over it!

> (proof positive that the propaganda machine is alive an well in
> America)


Are you a Good Christian? or a Bad Christian?

Bush's Xtianity is unknowable. His cronies, and his actions, however, point
to Christian Dominionism. They who believes they must kill non-Christians,
en masse, to hasten the day when God returns and sorts us all out. Until
then, God's chosen people (White Americans) must subjugate the world, to
prepare for the Rapture.

Now let's hear lots of screaming from the peanut gallery how only Moslims
believe in killing infidels...
 
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:10:17 -0800, "Phlip" <phlipcpp@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>>> > Yes, George W. Bush IS a Christian. Get over it!

>
>> (proof positive that the propaganda machine is alive an well in
>> America)

>
>Are you a Good Christian? or a Bad Christian?
>
>Bush's Xtianity is unknowable. His cronies, and his actions, however, point
>to Christian Dominionism. They who believes they must kill non-Christians,
>en masse, to hasten the day when God returns and sorts us all out. Until
>then, God's chosen people (White Americans) must subjugate the world, to
>prepare for the Rapture.


Actually, that's the Left Behind crowd. Dominionists believe that
Jesus is sovereign over the constitution and that American law must be
changed to reflect this.

The two overlap, but are seperate facets of Christian dementia.


>
>Now let's hear lots of screaming from the peanut gallery how only Moslims
>believe in killing infidels...
>


"Crusade" is just the western word for "Intafada"....
--

What do you call a Republican with a conscience?

An ex-Republican.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)

"I simply can not believe this is what the Republican party has
become. I just can
 
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:42:12 GMT, NoneOfYour****ingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred)
wrote:

>... ignorant, gullible rube ...


No one had asked about you, though.

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:50:40 GMT, NoneOfYour****ingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred)
wrote:

>... ignorant, gullible... religious, unevidenced belief ...


You even believe Bush when he claims that God
speaks through him.

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:08:16 GMT, NoneOfYour****ingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred)
wrote:

>... ignorant, gullible ...


You're also too scared to take it up with
Lew Rockwell, aren't you.

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:31:27 GMT, NoneOfYour****ingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred)
wrote:

>...this lie? Seriously? How many times ...


You haven't successfully disputed the statement
so much as once, as of yet.

Go ahead and give it a shot.

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:20:41 GMT, NoneOfYour****ingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred)
wrote:

>... Jimmy Swaggart was only purchasing prostitutes and asking
>about screwing their 7-year-old daughters as "research." I ...


Why do you admire those who do such things?

Note that the desperate bushkultie is utterly incapable
of refuting anything said at the link given:

"When Ron Paul entered politics, it was to protest
Richard Nixon's price and wage controls"

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/014565.html
 
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:08:13 -0800, A Veteran <georgek@humboldt1.com> wrote:

>In article <t4f0k3l77ar2mmpu898ja1v59d532actna@4ax.com>, US wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:43:37 -0600, Mamamia
>> <replytome@thenewsgroup.purtyplease> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <jgjuj3l33ofctf19v2fin50tp9apq10o5u@4ax.com>, Click@Knicklas.com
>> >wrote:
>> >> ... HE ain't in a majory [sic], can't have his way,
>> >> and rails (almost daily) against the government who's
>> >> paid his way for decades.
>> >
>> >Read Number 4 below to see how he's paid back our government. Then
>> >re-read it:
>> >
>> >Ron Paul:
>> >10. He is Pro-Life
>> >As Dr. Paul was a medical doctor before he began his career in politics,
>> >he is in opposition to abortion, and believes the political choices
>> >concerning abortion, adoption, and marriage should be decided by the
>> >states, not the federal government.
>> >
>> >9. His support for Privacy and Property rights
>> >Since he believes the government is the biggest threat to people's
>> >privacy, a limited government is one of his strongest concerns.
>> >
>> >Paul perceives the NAFTA superhighway, currently under design, as
>> >another important concern. This 12-lane theoretical highway would
>> >destroy homes and other private property in its path.
>> >
>> >8. Views on 9/11
>> >Although he has been asked relentlessly about his position on the U.S.'s
>> >involvement in the September 11th attacks, he denies that they were
>> >personally responsible for carrying out mass murder against their
>> >citizens. He is definitely not foolish enough to throw away his
>> >political career by adding his name into the 9/11 conspiracy movement.
>> >
>> >7. Military Service
>> >Paul served in the U.S. Air Force before completing his medical
>> >training. He stayed with the Air Force throughout the Vietnam era before
>> >running for congress. Along with his previous medical experience, he
>> >served as a flight surgeon in the military during the 1960's to aid
>> >injured pilots and aircraftmen.
>> >
>> >6. He opposed the War in Iraq
>> >Ever since the beginning of the war back in 2002, Ron Paul voted to not
>> >take military action against Iraq. He believes that congress should be
>> >the only body to have the power to declare war, as written in the
>> >constitution.
>> >
>> >5. He supports Free Trade
>> >Many trade issues and organizations he opposes include NAFTA, the WTO,
>> >national ID cards, along with withdrawal from global organizations such
>> >as the United Nations and NATO. All these groups, in Paul's opinion,
>> >discredit U.S. sovereignty and weaken American trade as a whole.
>> >
>> >4. Never had a congressional pension
>> >Throughout Paul's entire political career, he has never voted to raise
>> >congressional pay and or participate in the pension program. The
>> >"immoral" program pays congressmen based on how long they have served in
>> >the legislative body of the federal government.
>> >
>> >He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the
>> >U.S. treasury every year, along with never accepting medicaid or
>> >medicare.
>> >
>> >3. He Annihilates at the Republican Debates
>> >Not only has hew won four of the last five Internet polls, he uses
>> >common sense and the United States Constitution as his basis for making
>> >decisions and taking stances on the political issues.
>> >
>> >2. He opposes the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and the Income Tax
>> >If Representative Ron Paul were to be elected president of the United
>> >States in 2008, he pledges that he will work for major reform concerning
>> >our currency and taxation issues. He believes that the 16th amendment
>> >was never properly ratified, and wants to abolish the Federal Reserve
>> >and the IRS. Instead of paying loads of money to those organizations in
>> >loads of taxes, Paul will reduce federal spending (the loss of income
>> >would be covered through federal downsizing and reformation) and want to
>> >return to the "gold and silver standard" of hard currency.
>> >
>> >These new ideas will also pave way for Social Security reform. The
>> >congressman would give workers a choice if they wish to participate in
>> >the program or not.
>> >
>> >1. Impressive Voting Record
>> >According to Paul's 2008 Presidential Campaign website:
>> >
>> >He has never voted to raise taxes.
>> >He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
>> >He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
>> >He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
>> >He has never taken a government-paid junket.
>> >He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
>> >
>> >He voted against the Patriot Act.
>> >He voted against regulating the Internet.
>> >He voted against the Iraq war.

>>
>> Thanks for posting that.

>
>and the "Liberty Dollar"
>What has made some people cry "conspiracy" (wrongly in my view) is that
>Liberty Dollar has been doing this for years and only gets shut down on
>the eve of their first shipment of Ron Paul collection coins. The
>government's very thin, very shabby pretense (followed by the obligatory
>laundry list of infractions that they trot out anytime they seize
>people's property) probably adds to that perception. A few million in
>precious metals that are minted in such a way as to clearly denote that
>the coins are not currency cannot possibly "compete" with or "undermine"
>the trillions of federal reserve notes out there anymore than uncle Bob
>swapping a calf for a few stacks of wood would undermine the paper
>currency system.
>
>Of course its not a conspiracy, its just a plain old fashion abuse of
>power that the government is famous for. This is why the Founders didn't
>put any authorization for "federal police" into the Constitution. They
>didn't want the Revolutionary era equivalent of storm troopers busting
>down your door and seizing your property in the arbitrary enforcement of
>a legal code run amok. We've ignored that and this sort of thing, or
>worse, is the result.
>
>http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13632.html


Well, soon we'll have Blackwater used against US citizens ...
 
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:59:00 GMT, "Lt Gen Al E. Gator" <Al@CrocsBiteaBillyToday.com>
wrote:

>come on boys, we've just had 7 years of a pigmy, dicksucking, hillbilly
>coward,


Ron Paul didn't fall for his lies.
 
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:19:11 GMT, NoneOfYour****ingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred)
wrote:

>... Ron Paul ...


He never indicated that you'd represent him.
 
<Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
news:jgjuj3l33ofctf19v2fin50tp9apq10o5u@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:13:00 -0500, "William Flax"
> <krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>>Ron Paul is the one candidate who believes in the rule of law, not the
>>whims
>>of politicians.

>
> No, Paul believes HIS interpretation of what is a "rule
> of law" is correct.
>
> Are you now suggesting that Ron Paul is not a
> politician
>
> And are you suggesting that babbling Political concepts
> isn't the mark of a politician
>
> You'd then have to agree that you're merely accepting
> one politician pandering to your particular "beliefs"
> over that of other politicians
>
> Ron Paul does not believe in a "rule of law"----he
> believes in almost erasing a rule of law by removing
> the laws and protections put in place by generations of
> Learning.
>
> Why? Because HE ain't in a majory, can't have his way,
> and rails (almost daily) against the government who's
> paid his way for decades.
>
>>When you insult him, you make one doubt your intellectual
>>integrity. You might not agree with him on all issues, but you have to
>>respect his integrity and principles.

>
> Why would ANYONE "respect" a politician who wants to
> return to a time in our history that failed to protect
> us from wealth and power (both individual and
> corporate), shitcan all the years of policy that
> FINALLY broke the disasters visited on us by the
> wealthy and business interests?
>
>>And, he is the only candidate who appears to understand foreign policy,
>>also.

>
> Bullshit
>
> His only "understanding" is to sit back and throw bombs
> at government
>
> Why not learn what the concept of "less government"
> actually did from 1850---1930----then explain why you'd
> want to go back


Guess by now, you know that you are a tool.

Ronpaul2008.com

Save America
 
On Dec 8, 10:38 am, "Shadow36" <n...@no.com> wrote:


> Guess by now, you know that you are a tool.


Nope-- The tool is Ronpaul2008.com bought and
paid by the fascist democrats in silicon valley

Ronpaul2008.com is a sick joke
 
On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:38:08 -0600, Shadow36 wrote:

> Ronpaul2008.com
>
> Save America



There are two candidates in this US presidential race who voted AGAINST
the ill-considered invasion of Iraq (H.J. Res 114 House vote:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll455.xml) when they had the
opportunity. Dennis Kucinich was one of them.

Ron Paul was the other.

Democrats are lucky to have Dennis Kucinich. Without Kucinich, they would
have no candidate who has Ron Paul's principles and courage.

One thing that can be said of Ron Paul; he didn't just spring onto the
political stage, an opportunist, one who will change his message to
conform to what he thinks the public wishes to hear.

I've excerpted, below, a segment of the speech that brought Congressman
Ron Paul, M.D. to my attention, from way back in April, 2003. At that
time, the President from the American political party that brags of
"fiscal responsibility" was demanding a tax cut that, because of the costs
of two fresh wars, would greatly increase the national debt. Of course,
that is exactly what has happened. The federal debt has increased by some
50% since Ron Paul made this speech less than 4 years ago.

I was astonished (in April 2003) to read this address, offered by
Congressman Paul on the floor of the US House of Representatives, calling
for a return to fiscal and budgetary rectitude. It was so out of step
with the national mood at that time, one of impetuous recklessness and a
disdainful disregard for economic and political reality. Ron Paul was
right in 2003; Ron Paul is right now, and he's the best choice for the
Presidency in 2008.

The beginning of wisdom lies in admitting the part each of us played in
enabling the leadership mistakes of the past 7 years, and in acknowledging
our responsibility for cleaning up the mess we made by giving our
unquestioning consent to leaders who do not seem to be, themselves,
capable of acting responsibly. Men who are not constrained by principle.
or morality. Every day is a new low for America.

Think of your grandchildren ... and help reverse the disastrous course
that our leaders have pursued.

___
Charles


Cut Gov't Spending, NOT Taxes!
Congress Exceeds Its Credit Limit
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD (April 16, 2003 )

The term national debt really is a misnomer. It's not the nation's debt,
but rather the federal government's debt. The American people didn't spend
the money, but they will have to pay it back. And if Congress has its way,
our nation's Treasury will have twice as much debt ten years from now as
it does today.

Most Americans don't spend much time worrying about the national debt,
which now totals more than six trillion dollars [ now, three years later,
that figure is nine trillion dollars and will likely reach $10 trillion by
the time Bush leaves office -- CAulds]. The number is so staggering that
it hardly seems real, even when economists issue bleak warnings about how
much every American owes -- currently about $22,000 [now closer to $30,000
-- CAulds]. Of course the federal government never hands each taxpayer a
bill for that amount, for obvious reasons. Instead, it uses your income
taxes to pay interest on this debt, which is like making minimum payments
on a credit card. Notice that the principal never goes down. In fact, it's
rising steadily.

The problem is very simple: Congress almost always spends more each year
than the Treasury collects in revenues. Federal spending always goes up,
but revenues are not so dependable, especially when the economy is bad.
Since Congress spends more than the government makes, the federal
government must either raise taxes, print more dollars to make debt
payments, or borrow money. It' happy to do all three, but they're all bad
for you -- and the borrowing is bad for your grandchildren too.

___
Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress (from Texas, too):
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul89.html
 
On Nov 17, 10:43 am, last_p...@rogers.com wrote:
> On Nov 6, 1:00 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity, Stiffed by the Media

>
> > By Brent Budowsky
> > Created Nov 5 2007 - 4:26pm

>
> > The Ron Paul phenomenon is worth serious attention because in a campaign
> > that is vapid and empty of substance, this guy is the real deal.

>
> ROFLMAO
> Ron Paul -- nothing but a treacherous fool.


And what variety of parasitical lying neocon are you?
 
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