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On Nov 18, 8:24 am, US wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:43:37 -0600, Mamamia <replyt...@thenewsgroup.purtyplease> wrote:
> >In article <jgjuj3l33ofctf19v2fin50tp9apq10...@4ax.com>, Cl...@Knicklas.com wrote:
> >> ... HE ain't in a majory [sic], can't have his way,
> >> and rails (almost daily) against the government who's
> >> paid his way for decades.
>
> >Read Number 4 below to see how he's paid back our government. Then
> >re-read it:
>
> >Ron Paul:
> >10. He is Pro-Life
> >As Dr. Paul was a medical doctor before he began his career in politics,
> >he is in opposition to abortion, and believes the political choices
> >concerning abortion, adoption, and marriage should be decided by the
> >states, not the federal government.
>
> >9. His support for Privacy and Property rights
> >Since he believes the government is the biggest threat to people's
> >privacy, a limited government is one of his strongest concerns.
>
> >Paul perceives the NAFTA superhighway, currently under design, as
> >another important concern. This 12-lane theoretical highway would
> >destroy homes and other private property in its path.
>
> >8. Views on 9/11
> >Although he has been asked relentlessly about his position on the U.S.'s
> >involvement in the September 11th attacks, he denies that they were
> >personally responsible for carrying out mass murder against their
> >citizens. He is definitely not foolish enough to throw away his
> >political career by adding his name into the 9/11 conspiracy movement.
>
> >7. Military Service
> >Paul served in the U.S. Air Force before completing his medical
> >training. He stayed with the Air Force throughout the Vietnam era before
> >running for congress. Along with his previous medical experience, he
> >served as a flight surgeon in the military during the 1960's to aid
> >injured pilots and aircraftmen.
>
> >6. He opposed the War in Iraq
> >Ever since the beginning of the war back in 2002, Ron Paul voted to not
> >take military action against Iraq. He believes that congress should be
> >the only body to have the power to declare war, as written in the
> >constitution.
>
> >5. He supports Free Trade
> >Many trade issues and organizations he opposes include NAFTA, the WTO,
> >national ID cards, along with withdrawal from global organizations such
> >as the United Nations and NATO. All these groups, in Paul's opinion,
> >discredit U.S. sovereignty and weaken American trade as a whole.
>
> >4. Never had a congressional pension
> >Throughout Paul's entire political career, he has never voted to raise
> >congressional pay and or participate in the pension program. The
> >"immoral" program pays congressmen based on how long they have served in
> >the legislative body of the federal government.
>
> >He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the
> >U.S. treasury every year, along with never accepting medicaid or
> >medicare.
>
> >3. He Annihilates at the Republican Debates
> >Not only has hew won four of the last five Internet polls, he uses
> >common sense and the United States Constitution as his basis for making
> >decisions and taking stances on the political issues.
>
> >2. He opposes the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and the Income Tax
> >If Representative Ron Paul were to be elected president of the United
> >States in 2008, he pledges that he will work for major reform concerning
> >our currency and taxation issues. He believes that the 16th amendment
> >was never properly ratified, and wants to abolish the Federal Reserve
> >and the IRS. Instead of paying loads of money to those organizations in
> >loads of taxes, Paul will reduce federal spending (the loss of income
> >would be covered through federal downsizing and reformation) and want to
> >return to the "gold and silver standard" of hard currency.
>
> >These new ideas will also pave way for Social Security reform. The
> >congressman would give workers a choice if they wish to participate in
> >the program or not.
>
> >1. Impressive Voting Record
> >According to Paul's 2008 Presidential Campaign website:
>
> >He has never voted to raise taxes.
> >He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
> >He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
> >He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
> >He has never taken a government-paid junket.
> >He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
>
> >He voted against the Patriot Act.
> >He voted against regulating the Internet.
> >He voted against the Iraq war.
>
> Thanks for posting that.
Yes Shawn Smith is famous for negatives. His
every post is about negatives, as is Ron Paul's
record.
Ron Paul has neither integrity nor principles
worthy of respect.
---===0===---
Where's All That Money Coming From?
At first, I assumed, and had even written, that Ron Paul's financial
support was coming from the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party.
Then I was corrected by former Ron Paul aide and founder of the
Libertarian Republican Caucus, Eric Dondero, who also founded
MainstreamLibertarian.com and hosts blogtalk radio show Libertarian
Politics Live.
In an interview with Dondero, he emphatically complained; "Please
refrain in the future from using the label "Libertarian Republican" in
describing Ron Paul. Call him what he is: Some sort of populist
leftwinger."
Dondero continued, "Since 9/11 Paul has become a complete nutcase
conspiratorialist quasi-Anti-Semitic leftwing American-hating
nutball."
These were strong words from a former aide to Mr. Paul (from 1997 -
2003) and words worthy of investigation in my mind. So I decided to
investigate, which in politics always means, follow the money.
Where Is All That Money Coming From?
Upon investigation, it appears that Mr. Dondero is exactly right. Much
of Ron Paul's money is not coming from mainstream Libertarians or
Republicans.
Although he is running as a Republican, he actually has very little
support from rank and file Republicans, as every national Republican
poll confirms. But it turns out that he has very little support from
mainstream Libertarians either. As Dondero pointed out, "Ron Paul is
only attracting support from the leftwing side of the libertarian
spectrum, virtually none of whom are Republicans."
According to official campaign fund raising filings posted at
www.opensecrets.org, Ron Paul's top contributor is well known internet
giant Google. Google, with Al Gore on the board of directors, has a
long history of progressive political activism, both in the way they
censor search results to bury conservative slanted stories, and in
their campaign contribution habits, which is solidly Democrat, with
the exception of Ron Paul.
Like Howard Dean before him, Ron Paul first grabbed headlines with his
very hi-tech internet campaign, which is now easily explained by the
fact that his largest constituency is in the computer tech community.
It also explains how Paul supporters have perfected the art of
"spamming" or "jamming" online polls, creating a false impression of
bigger support while invalidating poll after poll. Other tech giants
like Microsoft and Verizon top his donors list as well.
Among Ron Paul's top donor zip codes are of course parts of Texas, but
also heavily liberal districts in Chicago (60614), San Francisco
(94117), more than 80% of which supports Nancy Pelosi and Barbara
Boxer, and Los Angeles - Long Beach, which is his second largest donor
area after Dallas.
What we have here is a candidate trying to win the Republican
nomination by raising money from liberals across the political aisle.
This Is Why His Fund-Raising Is Not Translating To Improved Poll
Positions
His donors are not Republicans. So no matter how much money he raises,
it is not translating into Republican support in the polls. He remains
at or below 5% support in every national Republican poll, no matter
how much money he raises.
USA Today reports, "The Iowa Republican Party put out an advisory
Tuesday setting standards for participation in a Dec. 4 debate.
Sponsors said participants need to average 5% support among
Republicans in recent national or Iowa polls -- and so far, Texas Rep.
Ron Paul is one of the candidates not making the cut."
In Pollster.com's latest averaging of national poll results of
Republicans, Paul's support comes in at 2.7%. The website calculates
Paul's support among Republicans in Iowa, based on polls there, to be
3.8%.
Yet his supporters still claim he is much more popular than the
national polls indicate and that he will be the come from behind
shocker at the Republican convention. How?
Here's Where The Ron Paul Campaign Becomes Dangerous
Because Paul supporters know that support coming from non-Republicans
is not reflected in the Republican polls, they have started a campaign
to promote party-jumping so that their anti-war supporter's from the
left can vote in the Republican primary.
Twenty four states have "open" primaries, which means, one need not be
Republican to vote in those Republican primaries. Ron Paul supporters
are promoting both strategies - one in which Democrats, Independents,
and members of other third parties can vote for him in "open"
primaries where possible, and switch parties to vote for him where the
primaries are "closed."
The mere notion that a Republican presidential candidate should be
nominated by this strategy is insane and very dangerous to the entire
election process. At a minimum, it is a demonstration of just what
kind of people are behind the Ron Paul campaign, obviously, not
constitutionally conscious people. I do not know if the Paul campaign
itself is behind this effort. But I am sure that the campaign is aware
of this effort, as well as the fact that much of their funding is
coming from people other than Republicans.
The Daily Paul is openly promoting Change Party Affiliation to
Republican to Participate in Primaries. "As you may realize, there are
many people from across the spectrum planning to support Ron Paul:
Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Green Party members, disenfranchised
Democrats, and of course the disenfranchised Republicans. Many of
these people may not realize that they NEED to change party
affiliations to Republican to vote in the GOP Primary in many
States." (A direct quote from the site)
So, How Republican Is Republican Candidate Ron Paul?
If he's funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold
districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the
Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very...
The only Republicans we find in his campaign are those myopic small
government conservatives angry with Bush for his Democrat-like
spending habits. Those so angry with Bush, that they are willing to
overlook all of this just to vote for a candidate who promises less
spending. Of course, we can't entirely overlook the handful of
moderate Republicans who oppose the war in Iraq either, few as they
are.
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:43:37 -0600, Mamamia <replyt...@thenewsgroup.purtyplease> wrote:
> >In article <jgjuj3l33ofctf19v2fin50tp9apq10...@4ax.com>, Cl...@Knicklas.com wrote:
> >> ... HE ain't in a majory [sic], can't have his way,
> >> and rails (almost daily) against the government who's
> >> paid his way for decades.
>
> >Read Number 4 below to see how he's paid back our government. Then
> >re-read it:
>
> >Ron Paul:
> >10. He is Pro-Life
> >As Dr. Paul was a medical doctor before he began his career in politics,
> >he is in opposition to abortion, and believes the political choices
> >concerning abortion, adoption, and marriage should be decided by the
> >states, not the federal government.
>
> >9. His support for Privacy and Property rights
> >Since he believes the government is the biggest threat to people's
> >privacy, a limited government is one of his strongest concerns.
>
> >Paul perceives the NAFTA superhighway, currently under design, as
> >another important concern. This 12-lane theoretical highway would
> >destroy homes and other private property in its path.
>
> >8. Views on 9/11
> >Although he has been asked relentlessly about his position on the U.S.'s
> >involvement in the September 11th attacks, he denies that they were
> >personally responsible for carrying out mass murder against their
> >citizens. He is definitely not foolish enough to throw away his
> >political career by adding his name into the 9/11 conspiracy movement.
>
> >7. Military Service
> >Paul served in the U.S. Air Force before completing his medical
> >training. He stayed with the Air Force throughout the Vietnam era before
> >running for congress. Along with his previous medical experience, he
> >served as a flight surgeon in the military during the 1960's to aid
> >injured pilots and aircraftmen.
>
> >6. He opposed the War in Iraq
> >Ever since the beginning of the war back in 2002, Ron Paul voted to not
> >take military action against Iraq. He believes that congress should be
> >the only body to have the power to declare war, as written in the
> >constitution.
>
> >5. He supports Free Trade
> >Many trade issues and organizations he opposes include NAFTA, the WTO,
> >national ID cards, along with withdrawal from global organizations such
> >as the United Nations and NATO. All these groups, in Paul's opinion,
> >discredit U.S. sovereignty and weaken American trade as a whole.
>
> >4. Never had a congressional pension
> >Throughout Paul's entire political career, he has never voted to raise
> >congressional pay and or participate in the pension program. The
> >"immoral" program pays congressmen based on how long they have served in
> >the legislative body of the federal government.
>
> >He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the
> >U.S. treasury every year, along with never accepting medicaid or
> >medicare.
>
> >3. He Annihilates at the Republican Debates
> >Not only has hew won four of the last five Internet polls, he uses
> >common sense and the United States Constitution as his basis for making
> >decisions and taking stances on the political issues.
>
> >2. He opposes the IRS, the Federal Reserve, and the Income Tax
> >If Representative Ron Paul were to be elected president of the United
> >States in 2008, he pledges that he will work for major reform concerning
> >our currency and taxation issues. He believes that the 16th amendment
> >was never properly ratified, and wants to abolish the Federal Reserve
> >and the IRS. Instead of paying loads of money to those organizations in
> >loads of taxes, Paul will reduce federal spending (the loss of income
> >would be covered through federal downsizing and reformation) and want to
> >return to the "gold and silver standard" of hard currency.
>
> >These new ideas will also pave way for Social Security reform. The
> >congressman would give workers a choice if they wish to participate in
> >the program or not.
>
> >1. Impressive Voting Record
> >According to Paul's 2008 Presidential Campaign website:
>
> >He has never voted to raise taxes.
> >He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
> >He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
> >He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
> >He has never taken a government-paid junket.
> >He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
>
> >He voted against the Patriot Act.
> >He voted against regulating the Internet.
> >He voted against the Iraq war.
>
> Thanks for posting that.
Yes Shawn Smith is famous for negatives. His
every post is about negatives, as is Ron Paul's
record.
Ron Paul has neither integrity nor principles
worthy of respect.
---===0===---
Where's All That Money Coming From?
At first, I assumed, and had even written, that Ron Paul's financial
support was coming from the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party.
Then I was corrected by former Ron Paul aide and founder of the
Libertarian Republican Caucus, Eric Dondero, who also founded
MainstreamLibertarian.com and hosts blogtalk radio show Libertarian
Politics Live.
In an interview with Dondero, he emphatically complained; "Please
refrain in the future from using the label "Libertarian Republican" in
describing Ron Paul. Call him what he is: Some sort of populist
leftwinger."
Dondero continued, "Since 9/11 Paul has become a complete nutcase
conspiratorialist quasi-Anti-Semitic leftwing American-hating
nutball."
These were strong words from a former aide to Mr. Paul (from 1997 -
2003) and words worthy of investigation in my mind. So I decided to
investigate, which in politics always means, follow the money.
Where Is All That Money Coming From?
Upon investigation, it appears that Mr. Dondero is exactly right. Much
of Ron Paul's money is not coming from mainstream Libertarians or
Republicans.
Although he is running as a Republican, he actually has very little
support from rank and file Republicans, as every national Republican
poll confirms. But it turns out that he has very little support from
mainstream Libertarians either. As Dondero pointed out, "Ron Paul is
only attracting support from the leftwing side of the libertarian
spectrum, virtually none of whom are Republicans."
According to official campaign fund raising filings posted at
www.opensecrets.org, Ron Paul's top contributor is well known internet
giant Google. Google, with Al Gore on the board of directors, has a
long history of progressive political activism, both in the way they
censor search results to bury conservative slanted stories, and in
their campaign contribution habits, which is solidly Democrat, with
the exception of Ron Paul.
Like Howard Dean before him, Ron Paul first grabbed headlines with his
very hi-tech internet campaign, which is now easily explained by the
fact that his largest constituency is in the computer tech community.
It also explains how Paul supporters have perfected the art of
"spamming" or "jamming" online polls, creating a false impression of
bigger support while invalidating poll after poll. Other tech giants
like Microsoft and Verizon top his donors list as well.
Among Ron Paul's top donor zip codes are of course parts of Texas, but
also heavily liberal districts in Chicago (60614), San Francisco
(94117), more than 80% of which supports Nancy Pelosi and Barbara
Boxer, and Los Angeles - Long Beach, which is his second largest donor
area after Dallas.
What we have here is a candidate trying to win the Republican
nomination by raising money from liberals across the political aisle.
This Is Why His Fund-Raising Is Not Translating To Improved Poll
Positions
His donors are not Republicans. So no matter how much money he raises,
it is not translating into Republican support in the polls. He remains
at or below 5% support in every national Republican poll, no matter
how much money he raises.
USA Today reports, "The Iowa Republican Party put out an advisory
Tuesday setting standards for participation in a Dec. 4 debate.
Sponsors said participants need to average 5% support among
Republicans in recent national or Iowa polls -- and so far, Texas Rep.
Ron Paul is one of the candidates not making the cut."
In Pollster.com's latest averaging of national poll results of
Republicans, Paul's support comes in at 2.7%. The website calculates
Paul's support among Republicans in Iowa, based on polls there, to be
3.8%.
Yet his supporters still claim he is much more popular than the
national polls indicate and that he will be the come from behind
shocker at the Republican convention. How?
Here's Where The Ron Paul Campaign Becomes Dangerous
Because Paul supporters know that support coming from non-Republicans
is not reflected in the Republican polls, they have started a campaign
to promote party-jumping so that their anti-war supporter's from the
left can vote in the Republican primary.
Twenty four states have "open" primaries, which means, one need not be
Republican to vote in those Republican primaries. Ron Paul supporters
are promoting both strategies - one in which Democrats, Independents,
and members of other third parties can vote for him in "open"
primaries where possible, and switch parties to vote for him where the
primaries are "closed."
The mere notion that a Republican presidential candidate should be
nominated by this strategy is insane and very dangerous to the entire
election process. At a minimum, it is a demonstration of just what
kind of people are behind the Ron Paul campaign, obviously, not
constitutionally conscious people. I do not know if the Paul campaign
itself is behind this effort. But I am sure that the campaign is aware
of this effort, as well as the fact that much of their funding is
coming from people other than Republicans.
The Daily Paul is openly promoting Change Party Affiliation to
Republican to Participate in Primaries. "As you may realize, there are
many people from across the spectrum planning to support Ron Paul:
Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Green Party members, disenfranchised
Democrats, and of course the disenfranchised Republicans. Many of
these people may not realize that they NEED to change party
affiliations to Republican to vote in the GOP Primary in many
States." (A direct quote from the site)
So, How Republican Is Republican Candidate Ron Paul?
If he's funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold
districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the
Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very...
The only Republicans we find in his campaign are those myopic small
government conservatives angry with Bush for his Democrat-like
spending habits. Those so angry with Bush, that they are willing to
overlook all of this just to vote for a candidate who promises less
spending. Of course, we can't entirely overlook the handful of
moderate Republicans who oppose the war in Iraq either, few as they
are.