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"JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
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> H. Wm. Esque wrote:
> > "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1176640427.794998.147610@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > H. Wm. Esque wrote:
> > > > "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1176487439.008093.45310@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > I saw this in alt religion.
> > >
> > > So? Does that make your fictional character real?
> > >
> > > > Where is the simple evidence of no God?
> > >
> > > How do you propose the nonexistence of deities be proven?
> > >
> > I don't. I made no such claim. So. I have nothing to prove.
> > The burden of disproof rest not on me. Try as you might
> > you cannot disprove this claim. Therefore, since you
> > cannot and I have made no claims, then obviously no one
> > has any burden of proof. It isn't required.
>
> So when you asked " Where is the simple evidence of no God?," you were
> just blowing smoke?
>
No, I want to see the "_evidence_ no Gods exist" that the header
proclaims. This is not the same as _proof_. Proof is difficult to
come by even in science.
>
In fact, the burden of proof rests on the
> positive claimant; in this case, the one asserting deities exist.
>
Ordinarily I would agree except for one word - evidence .
If the poster or you has such evidence, it is "y'alls" duty to
present it. Failure to do so is shirking this responsibility.
And this is especially heinous when it is the claimant who
desires to subvert the faith of the theist, but refuses to
present his evidence.
There is a term falsification that comes into play. It is
not possible to prove anything, most scientist will tell
you this, but it is entirely possible to falsify a theory or a
claim by pointing to contravening evidence. This has not
been done. Instead the tendency is to take refuge and hide
behind some fallacious claim of logic.
>
> There are only two possibilities; either they do or they don't. If
> there is no objective, verifiable evidence pointing to them, then
> there is no reason to accept the assertion that they exist.
> Additionally, if it can be demonstrated that a specific deity is
> logically contradictory, that deity can be dismissed as nonexistent.
> There is a whole list of logical contradictions for the xian deity.
>
> > > The xian bible makes claims about the xian deities that can be proven
false;
> > > e.g., Jesus says one can have anything one wants by asking for it in
> > > Jesus' name, but that claim has been repeatedly proven false. Of
> > > course, you're welcome to claim that Jesus lied or the bible is wrong,
> > > but that doesn't really support your assertion of the existence of
> > > deities, does it? How many deities should anyone be expected to prove
> > > nonexistent before disbelieving in them? There is NO OBJECTIVE,
> > > VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF ANY DEITIES. ANYWHERE. EVER. In light of
> > > that inconvenient fact, it isn't reasonable, nor is it my
> > > responsibility, to prove your particular deity exists; it is yours to
> > > prove it does, otherwise there's no legitimate reason for anyone to
> > > accept the assertion.
> > >
> > > > I have yet to see the proof of this claim.
> > >
> > > I have yet to see proof of the claim that you don't owe me a million
> > > dollars, so I'm expecting a check.
> > >
> > > What's even more unfortunate is nobody anywhere has ever seen any
> > > objective, verifiable evidence for ANY deity, let alone yours.
> > >
>
The reason I insist that your post doesn't address my position is because
you fail to address what I actually write. Instead you go off on a tangent
and attack certain specific Gods, which has _nothing_ at all to do with
anything I have written and doesn't apply.
news:1176676165.585598.137900@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> H. Wm. Esque wrote:
> > "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1176640427.794998.147610@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > H. Wm. Esque wrote:
> > > > "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1176487439.008093.45310@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > I saw this in alt religion.
> > >
> > > So? Does that make your fictional character real?
> > >
> > > > Where is the simple evidence of no God?
> > >
> > > How do you propose the nonexistence of deities be proven?
> > >
> > I don't. I made no such claim. So. I have nothing to prove.
> > The burden of disproof rest not on me. Try as you might
> > you cannot disprove this claim. Therefore, since you
> > cannot and I have made no claims, then obviously no one
> > has any burden of proof. It isn't required.
>
> So when you asked " Where is the simple evidence of no God?," you were
> just blowing smoke?
>
No, I want to see the "_evidence_ no Gods exist" that the header
proclaims. This is not the same as _proof_. Proof is difficult to
come by even in science.
>
In fact, the burden of proof rests on the
> positive claimant; in this case, the one asserting deities exist.
>
Ordinarily I would agree except for one word - evidence .
If the poster or you has such evidence, it is "y'alls" duty to
present it. Failure to do so is shirking this responsibility.
And this is especially heinous when it is the claimant who
desires to subvert the faith of the theist, but refuses to
present his evidence.
There is a term falsification that comes into play. It is
not possible to prove anything, most scientist will tell
you this, but it is entirely possible to falsify a theory or a
claim by pointing to contravening evidence. This has not
been done. Instead the tendency is to take refuge and hide
behind some fallacious claim of logic.
>
> There are only two possibilities; either they do or they don't. If
> there is no objective, verifiable evidence pointing to them, then
> there is no reason to accept the assertion that they exist.
> Additionally, if it can be demonstrated that a specific deity is
> logically contradictory, that deity can be dismissed as nonexistent.
> There is a whole list of logical contradictions for the xian deity.
>
> > > The xian bible makes claims about the xian deities that can be proven
false;
> > > e.g., Jesus says one can have anything one wants by asking for it in
> > > Jesus' name, but that claim has been repeatedly proven false. Of
> > > course, you're welcome to claim that Jesus lied or the bible is wrong,
> > > but that doesn't really support your assertion of the existence of
> > > deities, does it? How many deities should anyone be expected to prove
> > > nonexistent before disbelieving in them? There is NO OBJECTIVE,
> > > VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF ANY DEITIES. ANYWHERE. EVER. In light of
> > > that inconvenient fact, it isn't reasonable, nor is it my
> > > responsibility, to prove your particular deity exists; it is yours to
> > > prove it does, otherwise there's no legitimate reason for anyone to
> > > accept the assertion.
> > >
> > > > I have yet to see the proof of this claim.
> > >
> > > I have yet to see proof of the claim that you don't owe me a million
> > > dollars, so I'm expecting a check.
> > >
> > > What's even more unfortunate is nobody anywhere has ever seen any
> > > objective, verifiable evidence for ANY deity, let alone yours.
> > >
>
The reason I insist that your post doesn't address my position is because
you fail to address what I actually write. Instead you go off on a tangent
and attack certain specific Gods, which has _nothing_ at all to do with
anything I have written and doesn't apply.
