The Lack Of Character Inside The Democrat Party

[robw]

I was LCA.
You were the conservative freaks.


"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
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> robw wrote:
> > My mistake, I thought they might be the modern version of the Missouri
> > Synod.
>
> Nah, The Missouri Synod is still alive and doing well. That is my
affiliation.
> You ought to check us out, perhaps you will find something you like.

 

[bvallely@aol.com]

> >> I won't belabor the point about atheism and Communism, but many
> communists actually were closet Greek Orthodox, despite their party's official
> >> position. >

> >Would you care to provide a cite to back up that ridiculous claim?

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Churchis a good place to
> start.>

OK, I read your cite. Where did it say what you claim it said?

Here's what I found:

Before and after the October Revolution of November 7, 1917 (October
25 Old Calendar) there was a movement within the Soviet Union to unite
all of the people of the world under Communist rule (see Communist
International). This included the Eastern European bloc countries as
well as the Balkan States. Since some of these Slavic states tied
their ethnic heritage to their ethnic churches, both the peoples and
their church were targeted by the Soviets. [9]

The Soviet Union was the first state to have as an ideological
objective the elimination of religion. Toward that end, the Communist
regime confiscated church property, ridiculed religion, harassed
believers, and propagated atheism in the schools. Actions toward
particular religions, however, were determined by State interests, and
most organized religions were never outlawed. Some actions against
Orthodox priests and believers along with execution included torture
being sent to prison camps, labour camps or mental hospitals.[10] Many
Orthodox (along with peoples of other faiths) were also subjected to
psychological punishment or torture and mind control experimentation
in order to force them give up their religious convictions.[11][12]

Thousands of churches and monasteries were taken over by the
government and either destroyed or converted to secular use. It was
impossible to build new churches. Practising Orthodox Christians were
restricted from prominent careers and membership in communist
organizations (the party, the Komsomol). Anti-religious propaganda was
openly sponsored and encouraged by the government, which the Church
was not given an opportunity to publicly respond to. The government
youth organization, the Komsomol, encouraged its members to vandalize
Orthodox Churches and harass worshippers. Seminaries were closed down,
and the church was restricted from using the press.

....

n November 1917, following the collapse of the tsarist government, a
council of the Russian Orthodox church reestablished the patriarchate
and elected the metropolitan Tikhon as patriarch. But the new Soviet
government soon declared the separation of church and state and
nationalized all church-held lands. These administrative measures were
followed by brutal state-sanctioned persecutions that included the
wholesale destruction of churches and the arrest and execution of many
clerics. The Russian Orthodox church was further weakened in 1922,
when the Renovated Church, a reform movement supported by the Soviet
government, seceded from Patriarch Tikhon's church (also see the
Josephites and the Russian True Orthodox Church), restored a Holy
Synod to power, and brought division among clergy and faithful.

The result of this militant atheism was to transform the Church into a
persecuted and martyred Church. In the first five years after the
Bolshevik revolution, 28 bishops and 1,200 priests were executed.[14]

....

The main target of the anti-religious campaign in the 1920s and 1930s
was the Russian Orthodox Church, which had the largest number of
faithful. Nearly all of its clergy, and many of its believers, were
shot or sent to labor camps. Theological schools were closed, and
church publications were prohibited.
The sixth sector of the OGPU, led by Eugene Tuchkov, began
aggressively arresting and executing bishops, priests, and devout
worshippers, such as Metropolitan Veniamin in Petrograd in 1922 for
refusing to accede to the demand to hand in church valuables
(including sacred relics). In the period between 1927 and 1940, the
number of Orthodox Churches in the Russian Republic fell from 29,584
to less than 500. Between 1917 and 1935, 130,000 Orthodox priests were
arrested. Of these, 95,000 were put to death, executed by firing squad.
[citation needed] Many thousands of victims of persecution became
recognized in a special canon of saints known as the "new martyrs and
confessors of Russia".
Patriarch Tikhon anathematized the communist government, which further
antagonized relations. When Tikhon died in 1925, the Soviet
authorities forbade patriarchal elections to be held. Patriarchal
locum tenens (acting Patriarch) Metropolitan Sergius (Stragorodsky,
1887-1944), going against the opinion of a major part of the church's
parishes, in 1927 issued a declaration accepting the Soviet authority
over the church as legitimate, pledging the church's cooperation with
the government and condemning political dissent within the church. By
this he granted himself with the power that he, being a deputy of
imprisoned Metropolitan Peter and acting against his will, had no
right to assume according to the XXXIV Apostolic canon, which led to a
split with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia abroad and
the Russian True Orthodox Church (Russian Catacomb Church) within the
Soviet Union, as they remained faithful to the Canons of the Apostles,
declaring the part of the church led by Metropolitan Sergius schism,
sometimes coined as sergianism. Due to this canonical disagreement it
is disputed which church has been the legitimate successor to the
Russian Orthodox Church that had existed before 1925.[15][16][17][18]
[19]

I realize that it's just Wikipedia, but that's more authoritative
> than Amazon.com

Buy the book. Buy a used copy of the book. Go to your library and
borrow a copy of the book.

Or is reading a book beyond your intellectual skills?

 

[David Hartung]

robw wrote:
> I was LCA.
> You were the conservative freaks.

At least I am consistent.

 

[robw]

Yeah, consistently an idiot.


"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
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> robw wrote:
> > I was LCA.
> > You were the conservative freaks.
>
> At least I am consistent.

 

[David Hartung]

robw wrote:
> Yeah, consistently an idiot.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

 

[robw]

I'm not.


"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
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> robw wrote:
> > Yeah, consistently an idiot.
>
> I'm sorry you feel that way.

 

[theloneranger100@aol.com]

David Hartung wrote:

> robw wrote:
>> Because I don't like conservative Lutherans.
>
> Why?

Because they took the Christ out of Christianity.

 

[David Hartung]

theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:
> David Hartung wrote:
>
>> robw wrote:
>>> Because I don't like conservative Lutherans.
>> Why?
>
> Because they took the Christ out of Christianity.

Please explain.

 

[robw]

I didn't write the last part.

Ask that poster.


"David Hartung" <dhart1ng@quixnet.net> wrote in message
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> theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:
> > David Hartung wrote:
> >
> >> robw wrote:
> >>> Because I don't like conservative Lutherans.
> >> Why?
> >
> > Because they took the Christ out of Christianity.
>
> Please explain.

 

[bvallely@aol.com]

> My mistake, I thought they might be the modern version of the Missouri
> Synod.

That's not really a mistake, is it? You may not have know what the
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America stood for, but you knew that
you didn't know.

While not knowing a thing about the ELCA, you felt comfortable
dismissing the organization as "the Nazi Lutherans" for no other
reason that you had a keyboard in front of you, and you wished to
insult a perfect stranger.

When completely jusitified objections were raised, you pretended to be
well versed with all things Lutheran. After information was presented
which demolished your position, you then did a 180 where you admitted
that you had no idea what the Lutherans had done for the past three
decades.

You may wish to look into your soul, and see if you like the person
you've become in these past thirty years.

 

[bvallely@aol.com]

> > My mistake, I thought they might be the modern version of the Missouri
> > Synod.

> Nah, The Missouri Synod is still alive and doing well. That is my affiliation.
> You ought to check us out, perhaps you will find something you like.

I'm in Hollywood - I'm lucky to find a Lutheran Church at all. One
thing in particular my church did really appeals to my conservative/
romantic side. When the church was burned down by persons
"unknown" (my pastor is loath to reveal who did it) a hundred members
shifted through the ashes, cleared out the lot, and built a gigantic
sandcastle recreation of Jerusalem. They sold tickets, and raised
enough for a down payment to rebuild the church.

 

[bvallely@aol.com]

..
> >> Because I don't like conservative Lutherans.
..
> > Why?
..
> Because they took the Christ out of Christianity.>

How so?

 

[bvallely@aol.com]

On Sep 7, 8:03 pm, "robw" <noddy...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I didn't write the last part.
..
..
> > >>> Because I don't like conservative Lutherans.
> > >> Why?
..
> > > Because they took the Christ out of Christianity.
..
> > Please explain.

> I didn't write the last part.

No, you simply accused them of being Nazis.

 

[GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Ut]

bvallely@aol.com wrote:

>
>> My mistake, I thought they might be the modern version of the Missouri
>> Synod.
>
> That's not really a mistake, is it? You may not have know what the
> Evangelical Lutheran Church in America stood for, but you knew that
> you didn't know.
>
> While not knowing a thing about the ELCA, you felt comfortable
> dismissing the organization as "the Nazi Lutherans" for no other
> reason that you had a keyboard in front of you, and you wished to
> insult a perfect stranger.
>
> When completely jusitified objections were raised, you pretended to be
> well versed with all things Lutheran. After information was presented
> which demolished your position, you then did a 180 where you admitted
> that you had no idea what the Lutherans had done for the past three
> decades.
>
> You may wish to look into your soul, and see if you like the person
> you've become in these past thirty years.

He ain't like you, so he's been doing something right for the past 30 years.
--
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.

 

[GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Ut]

bvallely@aol.com wrote:

> .
>> >> Because I don't like conservative Lutherans.
> .
>> > Why?
> .
>> Because they took the Christ out of Christianity.>
>
> How so?
I have yet to read you invoke the actual teachings of Christ.
--
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.

 

[David Hartung]

bvallely@aol.com wrote:
>>> My mistake, I thought they might be the modern version of the Missouri
>>> Synod.
>
>> Nah, The Missouri Synod is still alive and doing well. That is my affiliation.
>> You ought to check us out, perhaps you will find something you like.
>
> I'm in Hollywood - I'm lucky to find a Lutheran Church at all. One
> thing in particular my church did really appeals to my conservative/
> romantic side. When the church was burned down by persons
> "unknown" (my pastor is loath to reveal who did it) a hundred members
> shifted through the ashes, cleared out the lot, and built a gigantic
> sandcastle recreation of Jerusalem. They sold tickets, and raised
> enough for a down payment to rebuild the church.

Now that is cool!

 

[David Hartung]

GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia wrote:
> bvallely@aol.com wrote:
>
>> .
>>>>> Because I don't like conservative Lutherans.
>> .
>>>> Why?
>> .
>>> Because they took the Christ out of Christianity.>
>> How so?
> I have yet to read you invoke the actual teachings of Christ.

What teachings are those?

 

[GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Ut]

David Hartung wrote:

> GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia wrote:
>> bvallely@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> .
>>>>>> Because I don't like conservative Lutherans.
>>> .
>>>>> Why?
>>> .
>>>> Because they took the Christ out of Christianity.>
>>> How so?
>> I have yet to read you invoke the actual teachings of Christ.
>
> What teachings are those?
QED
--
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.

 

[David Hartung]

GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia wrote:
> David Hartung wrote:
>
>> GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia wrote:
>>> bvallely@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> .
>>>>>>> Because I don't like conservative Lutherans.
>>>> .
>>>>>> Why?
>>>> .
>>>>> Because they took the Christ out of Christianity.>
>>>> How so?
>>> I have yet to read you invoke the actual teachings of Christ.
>> What teachings are those?
> QED

I assume from your response, that you don't know.

 

[Sid9]

David Hartung wrote:
> GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia wrote:
>> David Hartung wrote:
>>
>>> GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia wrote:
>>>> bvallely@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> Because I don't like conservative Lutherans.
>>>>> .
>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>> .
>>>>>> Because they took the Christ out of Christianity.>
>>>>> How so?
>>>> I have yet to read you invoke the actual teachings of Christ.
>>> What teachings are those?
>> QED
>
> I assume from your response, that you don't know.


I don't know, tell me.