What the Mega-Mosque at Ground Zero Means to Worldwide Islam
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Maybe this idiot/hypocrite should worry about his own country and their "monuments to terrorism" shoved in other peoples faces.. Ya think?
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Wow.. ***'s warriors have some serious firepower lined up against the wall there.. Jesus would be proud..
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/MbJ63Y4R0dA?feature=oembed
Let's teach Muslims how to hold a real Koran study session on conversions to Islam...
What is ok for you to do to another human being is ok for every other human being to do to you. ~ wez
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/MbJ63Y4R0dA?feature=oembed
Let's teach Muslims how to hold a real Koran study session on conversions to Islam...
What is ok for you to do to another human being is ok for every other human being to do to you. ~ wez
phreakwars
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Boy, that premonition won't take long. Check this out:
Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson
http://www.cbsnews.c...in6814690.shtml
Federal officials are investigating a fire that started overnight at the site of a new Islamic center in a Nashville suburb.
Ben Goodwin of the Rutherford County Sheriff's Department confirmed to CBS Affiliate WTVF that the fire, which burned construction equipment at the future site of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, is being ruled as arson.
Special Agent Andy Anderson of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told CBS News that the fire destroyed one piece of construction equipment and damaged three others. Gas was poured over the equipment to start the fire, Anderson said.
The ATF, FBI and Rutherford County Sheriff's Office are conducting a joint investigation into the fire, Anderson said.
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jokersarewild
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And no, see, Eminent Domain is completely irrelevant to the discussion. You keep bringing it up as if we have some sort of Eminent Domain Gun we use whenever somebody builds something we don't like. I can bring up hypotheticals too, but that doesn't mean anything.
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/real_estate/eminent_domain.html#1
First of all: Anybody outside of New York has no say in this whatsoever. Their opinions are irrelevant, as they are not in the state and it doesn't affect them as such.
Second: Assuming this went to court (as is the process here, not just "point and shoot" as you seem to believe), there is a chance the Imam would win. I'm sure he could site religious persecution or whatever. Either way, there is a process they go through. And if the City o' New York lost, then they get the property without Eminent Domain intervention, and can build the Community Center. If not, oh well.
The "terrorist monument" (you do realize you look quite uneducated when you refer to it as that, right?) is NOT going to be built on Ground Zero. You keep spreading this propaganda as if it's fact. Guess what? NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, THE BUILDING SITE WON'T BE GROUND ZERO. EVER. The site got hit by a chunk of the plane? OH BOY, HALLOWED GROUND! Except not. My guess is that they're building there because it was much cheaper to purchase since the building was wrecked. And if it hadn't been hit, they wouldn't be building there because the place would still be intact. Possibly.
http://www.neurope.eu/articles/The-Ground-Zero-of-intolerance/102267.php
Fun fact: One of the protesters? Terrorist. Well, almost. She supports terrorists though. Specifically, the English Defense League. Who, you know, are violent in order to get their message across. Are they terrorists, Times? I mean, they aren't Muslim, and your definition is somewhat vague.
Also, amusing note: There are strip clubs and the like within the same proximity to Ground Zero. Seems kind of asinine to be against a community center, but have no problem with places condoning such actions.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/03/mayor_bloomberg_on_mosque
Michael Bloomberg renders the whole Eminent Domain thing almost moot by defending the mosque...
Your analogy made no sense. Also, it's a community center. Really, it is. It's not a mosque. It has a place of worship. My local community center has a place of worship inside. Do we call it a church? Is it considered a church? No. Because it's not. I know the logic of that will fly over your head and you'll probably tell me about pools being next to churches, but I thought I'd offer that up for you.
But hey, let's take your pool analogy. Let's say I have a house, and there's a pool in the back yard. Does that mean I only use the house for the swimming pool? Or the back yard for the swimming pool? It very well does not. By that same logic, having a spot you can pray in doesn't mean it's used exclusively for that.
If it were a Christian-based Community Center, would you need to know where the money was coming from? If Jerry Falwell (assuming he wasn't dead), that hate-mongering wee-wee, wanted to build it, would you care what he's said before(below)? Probably not. You wouldn't give a ****. And neither would anybody else. They would praise it.
*** continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to which Rev Pat Robertson agreed, quoted from John F Harris, "*** Gave US 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)
And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing *** out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing *** out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because *** will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make *** mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, "You helped this happen."
-- Rev Jerry Falwell, blaming civil libertarians, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters for the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2001, quoted from John F Harris, "*** Gave US 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says," The Washington Post (September 14, 2001)
He seriously blames all of them for 9/11, saying that *** let it happen because of the groups he mentions, and he would be praised for building a mega-church on that spot, much less a community center.
When did our bad elements stop?
You misunderstand. We're CREATING their martyrs, which then fuels them on to keep trying to kill us. Pretty simple.
Yes, those of us who believe Americans should exercise our freedoms are ********.
Mind you, again, those outside of New York really don't matter, opinion-wise. It's not their state.
And I'll be perfectly honest: 9/11 didn't really do squat for me. I woke up, saw what was happening, and went to school. It was explained to us. And you know what? I recognized it for what it was: A terrorist attack. But did it affect my life? Not particularly. It is in a state on the opposite side of the country. I knew nobody in those buildings. And I didn't even know those building existed until that day. So I went on with my life.
Also, I don't believe America is bad. I believe it could be better. And if it is the mosque you seem to think it is, then you must hate America if you believe for one moment that we should start stomping on people's rights. But hey, the guy who wants people to exercise what's given them in the First Amendment is obviously not very American. The one that wants to start taking away people's rights in a place called "The Land of the Free", that guy's a true American. *** Bless You, man.
phreakwars
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Hugo scores a 10 once again.
phreakwars
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timesjoke
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I really did not fully think you meant all that uneducated garbage until I saw this:
Not even pity for your fellow Americans and their families? You seem ready to show compasion and understanding to terrorists, you even claim lik eso many other radical Socialists that 9/11 was caused by America, you blame America instead of those who actually did the killing.
And in that you have great company, You, Obama, Harry Reid, Pelosi, pretty much every progressive in America sees America as "bad" or at fault for everything and you constantly want to only point out what you see as bad while never admitting the much larger good that America does in the world.
So American actions forced these terrorists to attack us Joker? Really?
At the time of the attack, America was providing around 70% of the food that was "given for free" to Afganistan, and we helped Afganistan fight off invasion from Russia, hundreds of millions of Afganistan people were alive and eating well because America did not look away, because America did get involved. How about those saved lives Joker?
But you don't know about that fact now do you Joker? Or is it better to say you don't "want" to know about that, all your interested in is looking to America's faults and justifying the actions of terrorists because that is the progressive way of tearing down America so it can be rebuilt in the Socialist way?
Well guess what, there are still a few proud Americans alive and willing to fight against the Progressives like you and Obama. We can admit we have made mistakes but still see the greater degree of good that America has done and how most of the free world is only free today because of America. All of Europe and most of Asia would now be divided in two groups if not for America, so forgive me and the majority of Americans who choose to remember our good deeds over our mistakes.
Now, aside from your religion/America bashing we still get back to the main points:
1- America was attacked on 9/11 by Muslim believers and only an idiot would believe they did not have help in the Muslim comunities to stay hidden and train for this attack. The radical elements of Islam are not that far seperated from the mainstream elements of Islam.
2- Even Muzzammil Hassan, the rich Muslim that founded Bridges TV to show Muslims in a "positive light" and was fully imersed in Western society still felt compelled to behead his wife ,Aasiya Z. Hassan, because she dared to leave him and "honor" demanded she die by his hand.
Prior to this event, Muzzammil Hassan was considered the very definition of moderate Muslim, funny how fast a moderate can transform into a radical.......
3- This is a Mosque, lots of other fancy stuff too, but this is a house of worship, the house has many rooms, but the number of rooms does not change it's purpose. Trying to divert attention away from this fact proves your not interested in looking at reality, and instead your trying to remake reality into an image that might be accepted by the masses.......typical progressive tactic but again, those of us who know better can easily see past your intentional refusal to admit the facts and identify your biased reasons to try and exclude the fact that this is a Mosque.
4- This is not just an issue for the people of New York. The billions of tax dollars spent to respond to 9/11 was money all Americans paid their tax money for. All the mess that followed to include the stock market crash that cost me over $160,000 in one week made that event a purely American event just like the attack on Pearl Harbor was not just a bad thing that happend at the "Gibraltar of the Pacific".
This is about Americans and how they feel about the failures of Muslims to gain control over their radical elements. If people like this imam would publically denounce all terroirsts to include Hamas that he says is not a terrorist group, and to stop making excuses for these terrorists in how he said they were only trying to be heard, then I could support this as some kind of community center and they were trying to bring people together.
5- You still miss the point of Eminent Domain, most likely because you have never been involved in any real reality issues as I have but if a couple guys in City Hall can take away a piece of land to give it to Donald Trump to build a huge Hotel, certainly it would be easy to offer a better use of that power to do as the people want. Almost all Americans are now against this Mosque being built on ground zero (again, you claiming it is not does not make it true, us Americans who actually care about America and feel connected to it can make that decision) so following that desire is easily defendable in a court of law.
I used the stripper example for a reason, there are thousands of case law examples all supporting the right of comunities to block buildings like strip clubs for community moral reasons, to include about 25 cases in New York that made it to the State supreme court so the City can easily block this and win, it would be a waste of money for the Muslim extremists to try and fight it to be honest.
Do Americans have the right to set the moral possitions of their Country or not? Do Americans have the right to reject a monument to the terrorists of 9/11? Do Americans have the right to reject radical and violent groups who hide behind laws that they don't themselves respect or share in their own circles?
Should Americans be forced to conform to the beliefs of progressives who see America as the instigator of 9/11? Should all Americans give up their right to their beliefs just because a few progressives think we are all just stupid and racists?
Sorry Joker, completely converting all Americans into sniveling progressive cowards is not going to be that easy.........
So you felt nothing?
Not even pity for your fellow Americans and their families? You seem ready to show compasion and understanding to terrorists, you even claim lik eso many other radical Socialists that 9/11 was caused by America, you blame America instead of those who actually did the killing.
And in that you have great company, You, Obama, Harry Reid, Pelosi, pretty much every progressive in America sees America as "bad" or at fault for everything and you constantly want to only point out what you see as bad while never admitting the much larger good that America does in the world.
So American actions forced these terrorists to attack us Joker? Really?
At the time of the attack, America was providing around 70% of the food that was "given for free" to Afganistan, and we helped Afganistan fight off invasion from Russia, hundreds of millions of Afganistan people were alive and eating well because America did not look away, because America did get involved. How about those saved lives Joker?
But you don't know about that fact now do you Joker? Or is it better to say you don't "want" to know about that, all your interested in is looking to America's faults and justifying the actions of terrorists because that is the progressive way of tearing down America so it can be rebuilt in the Socialist way?
Well guess what, there are still a few proud Americans alive and willing to fight against the Progressives like you and Obama. We can admit we have made mistakes but still see the greater degree of good that America has done and how most of the free world is only free today because of America. All of Europe and most of Asia would now be divided in two groups if not for America, so forgive me and the majority of Americans who choose to remember our good deeds over our mistakes.
Now, aside from your religion/America bashing we still get back to the main points:
1- America was attacked on 9/11 by Muslim believers and only an idiot would believe they did not have help in the Muslim comunities to stay hidden and train for this attack. The radical elements of Islam are not that far seperated from the mainstream elements of Islam.
2- Even Muzzammil Hassan, the rich Muslim that founded Bridges TV to show Muslims in a "positive light" and was fully imersed in Western society still felt compelled to behead his wife ,Aasiya Z. Hassan, because she dared to leave him and "honor" demanded she die by his hand.
Prior to this event, Muzzammil Hassan was considered the very definition of moderate Muslim, funny how fast a moderate can transform into a radical.......
3- This is a Mosque, lots of other fancy stuff too, but this is a house of worship, the house has many rooms, but the number of rooms does not change it's purpose. Trying to divert attention away from this fact proves your not interested in looking at reality, and instead your trying to remake reality into an image that might be accepted by the masses.......typical progressive tactic but again, those of us who know better can easily see past your intentional refusal to admit the facts and identify your biased reasons to try and exclude the fact that this is a Mosque.
4- This is not just an issue for the people of New York. The billions of tax dollars spent to respond to 9/11 was money all Americans paid their tax money for. All the mess that followed to include the stock market crash that cost me over $160,000 in one week made that event a purely American event just like the attack on Pearl Harbor was not just a bad thing that happend at the "Gibraltar of the Pacific".
This is about Americans and how they feel about the failures of Muslims to gain control over their radical elements. If people like this imam would publically denounce all terroirsts to include Hamas that he says is not a terrorist group, and to stop making excuses for these terrorists in how he said they were only trying to be heard, then I could support this as some kind of community center and they were trying to bring people together.
5- You still miss the point of Eminent Domain, most likely because you have never been involved in any real reality issues as I have but if a couple guys in City Hall can take away a piece of land to give it to Donald Trump to build a huge Hotel, certainly it would be easy to offer a better use of that power to do as the people want. Almost all Americans are now against this Mosque being built on ground zero (again, you claiming it is not does not make it true, us Americans who actually care about America and feel connected to it can make that decision) so following that desire is easily defendable in a court of law.
I used the stripper example for a reason, there are thousands of case law examples all supporting the right of comunities to block buildings like strip clubs for community moral reasons, to include about 25 cases in New York that made it to the State supreme court so the City can easily block this and win, it would be a waste of money for the Muslim extremists to try and fight it to be honest.
Do Americans have the right to set the moral possitions of their Country or not? Do Americans have the right to reject a monument to the terrorists of 9/11? Do Americans have the right to reject radical and violent groups who hide behind laws that they don't themselves respect or share in their own circles?
Should Americans be forced to conform to the beliefs of progressives who see America as the instigator of 9/11? Should all Americans give up their right to their beliefs just because a few progressives think we are all just stupid and racists?
Sorry Joker, completely converting all Americans into sniveling progressive cowards is not going to be that easy.........
Few people in this world besides yourself and other radical mentally ill individuals desire to be "pitied", TJ.
Jaw's a radical socialist? Why.. because he doesn't think like you and excuse every bad thing "America" has done because someone from this country gave someone some food at some point in time?
"America" is not a living, breathing human being TJ.. it is incapable of good/bad.. It is the accepted name for a chunk of land. All there is in this world are individual human beings and some of them are sick, twisted, narcissistic, hypocritical f ckers, like yourself. Whether they come from America, Saudi Arabia, or Timbuktu, they have no value or respect for human life and see others as objects to use and abuse as an end to their own f cked up agenda of greed, power, control, superiority and self importance.
"What.. don't be ****** "we" brainwashed our kids and sent them to terrorize you and your family, destroy your country/s, and steal your valuable resources. We gave you food first you ungrateful *******!"
You wanna excuse it all because the individual frauds doing it claim to be "Americans" or "Christians"?
Real Americans and Christians tell the truth and take personal responsibility for what their "leaders" do on their "behalf".. good and bad.
You got a problem with truth and personal responsibility, mother f cker?
Stupid question.. I already know you do...
Yeah.. you care.. JAW doesn't.. you're slick.. you care so much that our Constitution that this country is founded on should be shredded some more? All to stroke your and other "caring Americans" ego in a pathetic attempt to validate your rightness by denying other Americans their constitutional rights?
Who's the radical socialist, hypocrite? Everyone gotta be like you, or else?
And who the f ck gave you the authority to speak on behalf of "almost all Americans"? I wouldn't let you order me a cheeseburger let alone represent me for anything concerning human justice and integrity.
ImWithStupid
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JAW is an ignorant, doesn't know his head from his ***, live in his mother's basement, sheltered, self serving, gen Y, infant, who has yet to have real life, or real responsibility affect him.
No offense.
No offense.
timesjoke
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I don't know enough about him to say all that but he does seem very disconnected from his Country and shows more compassion for those who want to inflame and attack America than those who actually love America and want her to prosper.
Wez I understand, he is only interesated in trying to start a fight, that is why I ignore his comments, he is not interested in debating or sharing ideas, he only wants strife and lives to call people ugly names and such, no point in wasting my time on that crud.
I don't think Joker is a bad guy, I think he is similar to Bender where both most likely work hard and provide for their own life but for some reason they both feel they need to help certain people gain enough power so they can "fix" the lives of everyone else using the heavy hand of the Federal Government to force us to live exactly the way they want us to live.
Progressives seem to believe 99% of Americans should not be allowed to live the way they want to live and that the other 1% (as long as it is them) should set the rules and micromanage that other 99%. They live in fear where failure must be limited but while they limit failure, they can't understand that they at the same time limit success. They see someone who is "rich" and conservative as underserving of what they have but someone who is "rich" and donating to their political campaigns deserve their money and get special treatments.
The really big problem is they truly believe they can tax their way into Eutopia. California is the best example of what happenes when progressives get their way, businesses like EA games and even ebay are spending hundreds of millions of dollars to relocate in places like Utah, they are being driven away by a out of control progressive leadership that does not see what they are doing as wrong. Tax, Tax, Tax, Tax, and Tax some more, never showing the least bit of concern for the fact that they are wasting money faster than it can be produced.
Remember the story of the Golden Goose............
But still this 'politically correct' thing with progressives surprises me, I have no idea why some things are too dangerious to speak against with these guys. Women's rights are normally a huge issue, but let a prominent and very politically connected Muslim perform a honor killing on his wife that wanted to leave him and suddenly not one progressive will speak against that Muslim practice.
A christian child says a prayer in school and they want that child expelled and the parents investigated but a school sets aside special classes and times for the many prayers of a muslim child and not one word from these same progressives.
G-**** America......right?
phreakwars
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ImWithStupid
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That was a bit harsh. I was just intending to poke a finger, to rile him up.
I have to apologize to you JAW, as I went too far in the above post.
I negative repped myself and everyone else should negative rep me, too.
