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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:27:09 +1100, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message
>news
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>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:14:47 +1100, "Andrew W"
>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message
>>>news:le5mn399ltnbcj53k4qcdhfogvpv52gbqk@4ax.com...
>>>> On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...
>>>>>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"
>>>>>> > <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN
>>>>>> >>SKY
>>>>>> >>PIXIE
>>>>>> >>presented by the christian nuts.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It's called eye witnesses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we interview one of these witnesses?
>>>>>
>>>>>They are all conveniently dead
>>>>
>>>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.
>>>
>>>
>>>Obviously you Christians have a different meaning for the word 'witness'.
>>>Simply announcing oneself to be a Christian automatically makes one a
>>>witness. Correct?
>>
>> No. His witnesses are people who have experienced his truth by
>> practicing his teaching.
>
>And how do you know when you've successfully completed this important step?
>How do you gauge what is "his truth" after 2000 years as opposed to what is
>not his truth?
>Does he come and tell you? Or do you just feel some warm and fuzzy feelings
>and perhaps experience some amazing synchronicities (miracles) in your life,
>which by the way sometimes also non-Christians and even atheists do?
>How do you explain the thousands of Christian sects and denomination who can
>never quite agree on exactly what God wants and how to get saved? They all
>claim what you and others here are claiming.
I'm afraid I'm in no position to comment on any of these questions. I
only know to follow the Christ in my heart. Beyond that, it's out of
my control.
>
>> They witness for him based on the truth they
>> learned in life.
>
>Everyone has their own take on the truth in their lives. Everyone has their
>own path. That is free will.
>No one has ever been able to show that their truth/path is any Godlier than
>anyone else's.
>Its a personal thing.
Everyone has their own understanding about the truth, and their
personal spiritual path may be all different, but the Christ in
everyone's heart is all the same.
>
>> Their testimony is not about their belief. Their
>> testimony is about what they have learned and experienced in real life
>> because of their belief in Jesus Christ.
>
>Everyone's experiences about Jesus Christ will be different because everyone
>has a slightly different take on what Christ is all about. Are they all
>correct? Does it matter? Hell yeah. How many different versions of truth
>about Christ are there?
Christ's truth should not be determined by what's in people's mind, it
should be determined by what's in people's heart.
>
>> It does not have be miracle.
>
>A miracle to a religious person is often a fairly normal occurrence to one
>who has a better understanding of metaphysics.
In my opinion, love is the only miracle.
>
>> It does not have to be great success. It just has to be ordinary life
>> experience that is going to touch every good heart.
>
>Countless Christians preachers (and regular Christians) have claimed that
>they believed they have experienced God's truth through fantastic
>happenings, but we all know what happened to many of them. The TV
>evangelists are the most obvious examples.
>When a religious believer gets warm and fuzzies, they get exited and swear
>up and down that they have been shown the truth.
>But have they? Mostly No. They all have their own versions of the truth, and
>God doesn't seem to care either way, even when they misuse what he allegedly
>gave them.
>What I'm saying is that Christians are trusting and relying on a magical
>process which they've each cherry picked from their Bible and they can't see
>that its all over the shop (10,000-20,000 discordant Christian sects and
>denominations and still counting).
God does not play magic. Too bad, what a disappointment to them.
>
>>
>>>One of the signs of a sect/cult is they make up new meanings and
>>>definitions
>>>for certain words in the English language (as well as make up their own
>>>words in some cases e.g. sin).
>>
>> How am I doing?
>>
>>
>
>Hmm.
Thank you very much for the smile.
<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message
>news
m9mn3tsjkhj0dtursibp1vdifeputdsc2@4ax.com...>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:14:47 +1100, "Andrew W"
>> <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>"Feng" <Feng@earth.com> wrote in message
>>>news:le5mn399ltnbcj53k4qcdhfogvpv52gbqk@4ax.com...
>>>> On 1 Jan 2008 22:14:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:d4gln35dmfesegiiu2pmnkn7pog8n1metv@4ax.com...
>>>>>> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:45:43 -0500, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"
>>>>>> > <killgod@killgod.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>there has been NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE CHRISTIAN
>>>>>> >>SKY
>>>>>> >>PIXIE
>>>>>> >>presented by the christian nuts.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It's called eye witnesses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we interview one of these witnesses?
>>>>>
>>>>>They are all conveniently dead
>>>>
>>>> Not quite. All Christians are his witnesses also.
>>>
>>>
>>>Obviously you Christians have a different meaning for the word 'witness'.
>>>Simply announcing oneself to be a Christian automatically makes one a
>>>witness. Correct?
>>
>> No. His witnesses are people who have experienced his truth by
>> practicing his teaching.
>
>And how do you know when you've successfully completed this important step?
>How do you gauge what is "his truth" after 2000 years as opposed to what is
>not his truth?
>Does he come and tell you? Or do you just feel some warm and fuzzy feelings
>and perhaps experience some amazing synchronicities (miracles) in your life,
>which by the way sometimes also non-Christians and even atheists do?
>How do you explain the thousands of Christian sects and denomination who can
>never quite agree on exactly what God wants and how to get saved? They all
>claim what you and others here are claiming.
I'm afraid I'm in no position to comment on any of these questions. I
only know to follow the Christ in my heart. Beyond that, it's out of
my control.
>
>> They witness for him based on the truth they
>> learned in life.
>
>Everyone has their own take on the truth in their lives. Everyone has their
>own path. That is free will.
>No one has ever been able to show that their truth/path is any Godlier than
>anyone else's.
>Its a personal thing.
Everyone has their own understanding about the truth, and their
personal spiritual path may be all different, but the Christ in
everyone's heart is all the same.
>
>> Their testimony is not about their belief. Their
>> testimony is about what they have learned and experienced in real life
>> because of their belief in Jesus Christ.
>
>Everyone's experiences about Jesus Christ will be different because everyone
>has a slightly different take on what Christ is all about. Are they all
>correct? Does it matter? Hell yeah. How many different versions of truth
>about Christ are there?
Christ's truth should not be determined by what's in people's mind, it
should be determined by what's in people's heart.
>
>> It does not have be miracle.
>
>A miracle to a religious person is often a fairly normal occurrence to one
>who has a better understanding of metaphysics.
In my opinion, love is the only miracle.
>
>> It does not have to be great success. It just has to be ordinary life
>> experience that is going to touch every good heart.
>
>Countless Christians preachers (and regular Christians) have claimed that
>they believed they have experienced God's truth through fantastic
>happenings, but we all know what happened to many of them. The TV
>evangelists are the most obvious examples.
>When a religious believer gets warm and fuzzies, they get exited and swear
>up and down that they have been shown the truth.
>But have they? Mostly No. They all have their own versions of the truth, and
>God doesn't seem to care either way, even when they misuse what he allegedly
>gave them.
>What I'm saying is that Christians are trusting and relying on a magical
>process which they've each cherry picked from their Bible and they can't see
>that its all over the shop (10,000-20,000 discordant Christian sects and
>denominations and still counting).
God does not play magic. Too bad, what a disappointment to them.
>
>>
>>>One of the signs of a sect/cult is they make up new meanings and
>>>definitions
>>>for certain words in the English language (as well as make up their own
>>>words in some cases e.g. sin).
>>
>> How am I doing?
>>
>>
>
>Hmm.
Thank you very much for the smile.