Women are the new men on TV

[Masculist]

On Sep 14, 12:41 pm, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
> "Masculist" <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189794544.007269.13760@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Sep 14, 9:38 am, Viking <no...@goodgoodbye.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:11:39 -0500, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
> >> >> Yeah and she lists Viagra commercials which dupe men into thinking
> >> >> they have to please the gal and take medication to do so. This takes
> >> >> any responsibility off the gals. Sound familiar? It's the same old
> >> >> mantra of feminists, "All responsibility on men and none on women".
>
> >> >I'm a man, you dumb****.
>
> >> Lie. No matter what the **** your biology is.
>
> > Ain't that the truth. I thought all this time that Jude was a woman.
> > What a sick, sick asshole she is...oops, I should have said "he" but I
> > just can't do it.
>
> The fact that you put me in another category of men than yourself is a
> compliment. Thanks!

By calling you "Judy" I didn't put you in another category of men, but
of women. Hmmm, wait a minute, maybe you're gay? Oh that's it,
you're a fudge packer. Why didn't I think of that before?

Have you ever had AIDS Jude? Do you catch? Which bathhouse is your
favorite? What child trauma caused you to be gay? Mommy's boyfriend
perhaps? Mommy?


> >> >You think in terms of men vs.
> >> >women. I don't.
>
> >> You think in terms of females vs men, you sick, sick asshole.
>
> > She (He) thinks in terms of "mommy, mommy, mommy, help me!"
>
> Do not. However, it's OBVIOUS that you think of terms from mommy to wifey.

True, and all three wives failed the test <smile>. I bet you think in
terms of Unky (your uncle). That's how you started to "catch" isn't
it?

Smitty

 

[Masculist]

On Sep 14, 9:29 am, Viking <no...@goodgoodbye.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:07:41 -0500, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
> >You're the freaking joke because I dont' think anybody who operates out of
> >logic and not self pity would take what you said seriously. There are MANY
> >ads directed to men with the underlying message "You buy this or that and
> >you get the girl." DUH I don't have to do research to educate your self
> >imposed ignorance. It's a no brainer as they say.
>
> There ain't such ads, you sad sack. Ads are aimed at females. Didn't
> you read that study poted here that said 98% of the "mini-battles" in
> TV ads were won by females???
>
> So let me get this straight. You fabricate a scenario, and then say
> "DUH". laugh What's your ****ing psychosis?

Jude isn't crazy Viking, he just is not too bright which sometimes
comes off as "crazy". You know how it is with dumb sons in the Jewish
community. They will march right into the gas chamber with smile's on
their faces. The Jews thought the problem was solved but then a few
like Jude still come along. Their only hope is to become gay and hope
gay men and women will take care of them.

Smitty

 

[Masculist]

On Sep 14, 9:29 am, Viking <no...@goodgoodbye.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:07:41 -0500, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
> >You're the freaking joke because I dont' think anybody who operates out of
> >logic and not self pity would take what you said seriously. There are MANY
> >ads directed to men with the underlying message "You buy this or that and
> >you get the girl." DUH I don't have to do research to educate your self
> >imposed ignorance. It's a no brainer as they say.
>
> There ain't such ads, you sad sack. Ads are aimed at females. Didn't
> you read that study poted here that said 98% of the "mini-battles" in
> TV ads were won by females???
>
> So let me get this straight. You fabricate a scenario, and then say
> "DUH". laugh What's your ****ing psychosis?

Jude isn't crazy Viking, he just is not too bright which sometimes
comes off as "crazy". You know how it is with dumb sons in the Jewish
community. They will march right into the gas chamber with smile's on
their faces. The Jews thought the problem was solved but then a few
like Jude still come along. Their only hope is to become gay and hope
gay men and women will take care of them.

Smitty

 

[Viking]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:14:56 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:

>
>"Viking" <noway@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in message
>news:h4ele3t17k7pnoq084lrpvro4ks8jvajpu@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:11:39 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>>
>>>> Yeah and she lists Viagra commercials which dupe men into thinking
>>>> they have to please the gal and take medication to do so. This takes
>>>> any responsibility off the gals. Sound familiar? It's the same old
>>>> mantra of feminists, "All responsibility on men and none on women".
>>>
>>>I'm a man, you dumb****.
>>
>> Lie. No matter what the **** your biology is.
>
>Is the lowlife upset? lol You think that only real men fight women and/or
>feminists? lol THAT makes you a bigot, definately not on the highest
>intelligence stratum and probably you're very brutish in real life guessing
>from your posting style.

That's your rebuttal style: A) shriek "Bigot!" B) Insult intelligence
of OP

If you're the best we have to face, we've got it made.

 

[Viking]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:14:56 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:

>
>"Viking" <noway@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in message
>news:h4ele3t17k7pnoq084lrpvro4ks8jvajpu@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:11:39 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>>
>>>> Yeah and she lists Viagra commercials which dupe men into thinking
>>>> they have to please the gal and take medication to do so. This takes
>>>> any responsibility off the gals. Sound familiar? It's the same old
>>>> mantra of feminists, "All responsibility on men and none on women".
>>>
>>>I'm a man, you dumb****.
>>
>> Lie. No matter what the **** your biology is.
>
>Is the lowlife upset? lol You think that only real men fight women and/or
>feminists? lol THAT makes you a bigot, definately not on the highest
>intelligence stratum and probably you're very brutish in real life guessing
>from your posting style.

That's your rebuttal style: A) shriek "Bigot!" B) Insult intelligence
of OP

If you're the best we have to face, we've got it made.

 

[Viking]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:18:59 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:

>
>"Viking" <noway@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in message
>news:uafle3h8d9o35egok41rc4f8u2tmhsnvms@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:35:34 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Viking" <noway@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in message
>>>news:ahdle3hdua761o48dckeh7r7l4dac7q82r@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:07:41 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>You're the freaking joke because I dont' think anybody who operates out
>>>>>of
>>>>>logic and not self pity would take what you said seriously. There are
>>>>>MANY
>>>>>ads directed to men with the underlying message "You buy this or that
>>>>>and
>>>>>you get the girl." DUH I don't have to do research to educate your
>>>>>self
>>>>>imposed ignorance. It's a no brainer as they say.
>>>>
>>>> There ain't such ads, you sad sack. Ads are aimed at females. Didn't
>>>> you read that study poted here that said 98% of the "mini-battles" in
>>>> TV ads were won by females???
>>>>
>>>> So let me get this straight. You fabricate a scenario, and then say
>>>> "DUH". laugh What's your ****ing psychosis?
>>>
>>>No, it's yours because you live in a world of delusion. You think of the
>>>world as men vs. women. Get out of the sandbox and grow the **** up.
>>
>> You total moron! Are you saying that over the last 30 years there have
>> been no female vs men issues??? And that those issues haven't taken
>> center stage for millions of people? Jesus, talk about delusion.
>
>I don't think men (generally speaking) have been "against" women in the
>past.

Not what I said, you moron. (Are you saying that over the last 30
years there have been no female vs men issues???)

You're a waste of time.

>Feminism (not every feminist, mind you) is not anti-male.

Whoa. Guess we got another babe in the woods here, arguing about de
jure feminism. Guess what, pal? WE LIVE IN THE DE FACTO WORLD.
Ferminism is absolutely anti-male.

 

[Viking]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:18:59 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:

>
>"Viking" <noway@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in message
>news:uafle3h8d9o35egok41rc4f8u2tmhsnvms@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:35:34 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Viking" <noway@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in message
>>>news:ahdle3hdua761o48dckeh7r7l4dac7q82r@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:07:41 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>You're the freaking joke because I dont' think anybody who operates out
>>>>>of
>>>>>logic and not self pity would take what you said seriously. There are
>>>>>MANY
>>>>>ads directed to men with the underlying message "You buy this or that
>>>>>and
>>>>>you get the girl." DUH I don't have to do research to educate your
>>>>>self
>>>>>imposed ignorance. It's a no brainer as they say.
>>>>
>>>> There ain't such ads, you sad sack. Ads are aimed at females. Didn't
>>>> you read that study poted here that said 98% of the "mini-battles" in
>>>> TV ads were won by females???
>>>>
>>>> So let me get this straight. You fabricate a scenario, and then say
>>>> "DUH". laugh What's your ****ing psychosis?
>>>
>>>No, it's yours because you live in a world of delusion. You think of the
>>>world as men vs. women. Get out of the sandbox and grow the **** up.
>>
>> You total moron! Are you saying that over the last 30 years there have
>> been no female vs men issues??? And that those issues haven't taken
>> center stage for millions of people? Jesus, talk about delusion.
>
>I don't think men (generally speaking) have been "against" women in the
>past.

Not what I said, you moron. (Are you saying that over the last 30
years there have been no female vs men issues???)

You're a waste of time.

>Feminism (not every feminist, mind you) is not anti-male.

Whoa. Guess we got another babe in the woods here, arguing about de
jure feminism. Guess what, pal? WE LIVE IN THE DE FACTO WORLD.
Ferminism is absolutely anti-male.

 

[Viking]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:21:41 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:

>Is the lowlife upset. You're stretching to make a point out of movies
>(which, dumbo, are on TV) and advertisement. The ultimate issue is who
>controls Hollywood/Advertisement Agencies and who their targets are. DUH
>Why can't YOU understand the implications of the issue at hand?

You moron, the point is that TV and TV ads are anti-male.

You're obviously a troll and a time waste.

 

[Viking]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:21:41 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:

>Is the lowlife upset. You're stretching to make a point out of movies
>(which, dumbo, are on TV) and advertisement. The ultimate issue is who
>controls Hollywood/Advertisement Agencies and who their targets are. DUH
>Why can't YOU understand the implications of the issue at hand?

You moron, the point is that TV and TV ads are anti-male.

You're obviously a troll and a time waste.

 

[Viking]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:44:25 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:

>
>"Andre Lieven" <andrelieven@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>news:1189794905.547137.36360@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 14, 12:32 pm, Viking <no...@goodgoodbye.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:25:02 -0500, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>>> >> If you stopped watching TV, how do you know what's broadcast?
>>>
>>> >He's "all knowing," or didn't you realize that?
>>>
>>> Glad you finally realized it.
>>>
>>> >I guess Spike TV is for women.
>>
>> How " girly " for Jude to point to the ONE men's network, while there
>> are Oxygen, Lifetime, H&GTV, and many, many more that are 100% aimed
>> at women, and while pretty much every major cable and broadcast
>> channel
>> during " working hours "is nothing but programming aimed at women .
>>
>> But, its not like Feminists have a record for accuracy, or anything...
>>
>>> It's not for men of any intelligence.
>>>
>>> >Men are STILL the overwhelming controllers of Hollywood and
>>> >Advertisement.
>>>
>>> AND THEY'RE ALL ****ING AIMED AT FEMALES.
>>
>> Sure. Jude falls, once again, into the " Frontman Fallacy "
>> Its Googlable.
>>
>>> >I think that just because a some advertisements and movies
>>> >are made specifically for women audience, these guys have (perhaps for
>>> >the
>>> >first time in their self centered existence) have realized that it isn't
>>> >all
>>> >about them.
>>>
>>> YOU TOTAL MORON. Read the article linked to by the OP. Watch some TV
>>> and LOOK AT THE ****ING ADS.
>>>
>>> TRY USING ONE OF YOUR TWO NEURONS YOU ****ING FREAK.
>>
>> Jude has neurons ? Thats not provable by anything it has ever posted
>> here.
>>
>> And, the fact remains that, when one observes the mass media,
>> especially
>> during the weekday, one finds pretty much NOTHING for men. From Oprah,
>> to Ellen, The View, et al, its all about the chyks.
>>
>> One would have to be a massive retard to have MS-ed that...
>
>You guys are the RETARDED one! lol. What about all the fishing, hunting and
>sports channels? Men STILL own Hollywood AND the vast majority of Ad
>agencies. DUH Chick shows ARE the new thing. Because there was once such
>a lacking, there'll be a lot of shows to meet a need out there. It'll level
>out eventually.
>
> Oh, the poor whining tittie babies! Mommy, mommy, my wifey doesn't obey
>me!

You're a troll. And as such, I'm done with you.

PLONK.

 

[Viking]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:44:25 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:

>
>"Andre Lieven" <andrelieven@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>news:1189794905.547137.36360@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 14, 12:32 pm, Viking <no...@goodgoodbye.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:25:02 -0500, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>>> >> If you stopped watching TV, how do you know what's broadcast?
>>>
>>> >He's "all knowing," or didn't you realize that?
>>>
>>> Glad you finally realized it.
>>>
>>> >I guess Spike TV is for women.
>>
>> How " girly " for Jude to point to the ONE men's network, while there
>> are Oxygen, Lifetime, H&GTV, and many, many more that are 100% aimed
>> at women, and while pretty much every major cable and broadcast
>> channel
>> during " working hours "is nothing but programming aimed at women .
>>
>> But, its not like Feminists have a record for accuracy, or anything...
>>
>>> It's not for men of any intelligence.
>>>
>>> >Men are STILL the overwhelming controllers of Hollywood and
>>> >Advertisement.
>>>
>>> AND THEY'RE ALL ****ING AIMED AT FEMALES.
>>
>> Sure. Jude falls, once again, into the " Frontman Fallacy "
>> Its Googlable.
>>
>>> >I think that just because a some advertisements and movies
>>> >are made specifically for women audience, these guys have (perhaps for
>>> >the
>>> >first time in their self centered existence) have realized that it isn't
>>> >all
>>> >about them.
>>>
>>> YOU TOTAL MORON. Read the article linked to by the OP. Watch some TV
>>> and LOOK AT THE ****ING ADS.
>>>
>>> TRY USING ONE OF YOUR TWO NEURONS YOU ****ING FREAK.
>>
>> Jude has neurons ? Thats not provable by anything it has ever posted
>> here.
>>
>> And, the fact remains that, when one observes the mass media,
>> especially
>> during the weekday, one finds pretty much NOTHING for men. From Oprah,
>> to Ellen, The View, et al, its all about the chyks.
>>
>> One would have to be a massive retard to have MS-ed that...
>
>You guys are the RETARDED one! lol. What about all the fishing, hunting and
>sports channels? Men STILL own Hollywood AND the vast majority of Ad
>agencies. DUH Chick shows ARE the new thing. Because there was once such
>a lacking, there'll be a lot of shows to meet a need out there. It'll level
>out eventually.
>
> Oh, the poor whining tittie babies! Mommy, mommy, my wifey doesn't obey
>me!

You're a troll. And as such, I'm done with you.

PLONK.

 

[Viking]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:02:25 -0700, Mark Borgerson
<mborgerson@comcast.net> wrote:

>> You total moron! Are you saying that over the last 30 years there have
>> been no female vs men issues??? And that those issues haven't taken
>> center stage for millions of people? Jesus, talk about delusion.
>>
>>
>Whoa! "millions of people"! WOW---you mean those issues might affect
>as much as 1% of the worlds population! Notify the media! Call a press
>conference! Buy an hour of prime time TV to get people's attention!

Borgerson you ****ing asshole troll, you just denigrated all men's
rights issues. What the **** fo you hang around here for???

 

[Viking]

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:02:25 -0700, Mark Borgerson
<mborgerson@comcast.net> wrote:

>> You total moron! Are you saying that over the last 30 years there have
>> been no female vs men issues??? And that those issues haven't taken
>> center stage for millions of people? Jesus, talk about delusion.
>>
>>
>Whoa! "millions of people"! WOW---you mean those issues might affect
>as much as 1% of the worlds population! Notify the media! Call a press
>conference! Buy an hour of prime time TV to get people's attention!

Borgerson you ****ing asshole troll, you just denigrated all men's
rights issues. What the **** fo you hang around here for???

 

[Jude]

"Masculist" <MASCULIST@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189800327.154757.299800@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 14, 12:46 pm, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>> "Masculist" <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1189796023.062459.209160@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 14, 6:18 am, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>> >> "retardsman" <remarks...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1189709753.144882.262480@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On 13 Sep, 11:05, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sep 13, 10:47 am, Viking <no...@goodgoodbye.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:41:19 -0500, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > >"Viking" <no...@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > >newstsie31nvmbe221kaemu948avbo1q6vo99@4ax.com...
>> >> >> > >> TV is for females.
>> >> >> > >> Period.
>>
>> >> >> > >> It's written for, planned for, designed for, and broadcast for
>> >> >> > >> females. I stopped watching years ago.
>>
>> >> >> > >> The advertisers don't believe that men exist.
>>
>> >> >> > >That is a total crock of ****. There are advertisement CLEARLY
>> >> >> > >aimed
>> >> >> > >toward
>> >> >> > >men... RTFLMAO... you know.... viagra.....just for men hair
>> >> >> > >color....
>>
>> >> >> > Oh yeah, you asshole. TWO WHOLE ADs.
>>
>> >> >> > Geat rebuttal.
>>
>> >> >> > laugh
>>
>> >> >> Yeah and she lists Viagra commercials which dupe men into thinking
>> >> >> they have to please the gal and take medication to do so. This
>> >> >> takes
>> >> >> any responsibility off the gals. Sound familiar? It's the same
>> >> >> old
>> >> >> mantra of feminists, "All responsibility on men and none on women".
>>
>> >> >> Smitty
>>
>> >> > 'zactly smitty, viagra etc. is all about The Woman, not the stoopid
>> >> > duped guy stuffing his body with chemicals to ensure that he's ready
>> >> > (LOL!!) whenever Her Sheness is
>>
>> >> I can see why your nick 's RETARDman."
>>
>> > You can't see **** Judy. Ray and I are both advocates for the
>> > retarded. As such, we know who is truly retarded (Smitty glares at
>> > Judy)
>>
>> >> Women have been "stuffying" their
>> >> bodies with birth control **** for decades but I have this suspicion
>> >> that
>> >> you don't give a **** about others, especially if they're women.
>>
>> > Ray cares about both men and women whereas all you care about is
>> > saying the politically correct thing in order to get laid. You hate
>> > truth and love the lies that get you something from other humans.
>>
>> Delusional asshole. LOL
>
> You don't need to put a "LOL" in there Judy. I didn't when I reamed
> you.

Are you a closet homosexual? Reamed is an "interesting" word for you to
use....
>
>> I, more than most, show myself as I am and not as
>> I think others want me to be.
>
> <smile> What a delusional asshole you are.

You are since you don't know me but think you do.

>
>> There's a lot of pressure from guys to me to
>> "shape up."
>
> I bet there is a lot of pressure from real men on you to "shape up".
> I mean just look at yourself Judy! Your slip is always showing.

No, from assholes like yourself. Pitiful men, really. I sometimes feel
sorry for you. However, most of the times, you're so obnoxious, it's
difficult to feel compassion for your type.

>
>> **** you. I think freely.
>
> I don't doubt that you "think freely"...in the context of drolling for
> sex in women's company.

Boy, are YOU way off the mark. I think perhaps there's a bit of projection
on your part. Did you ever drool for sex from women?
>
>> I don't need every man's approval
>> or woman's approval out there.
>
> Are you sure you don't need women's approval Judy? Your posting from
> alt.feminism for crissakes!!

I post against all types of bigots, little boy.... racist, sexists,
religionists, whatever.

What you don't realize that when I post on racist ngs. they say that I'm a
Jew because my name is Jude. : When I post on sexist ngs, you assholes
call me Judy. You see how predicable you turds end up being. Plus, none of
you incredibly self centered losers think that people will defend what they
are not. I'm not a Jew (I believe in God and in Jesus) and I'm a woman (I'm
a man) and I'm not really a full fledged feminists although I tend toward
most feminist's side because it is my firm belief that women should have the
same opportunity to go out there and screw up or succeed and get the rewards
or punishment of their actions. That some people get away with **** doesn't
mean that freedom is the wrong way. NOBODY, although a lot try, get's the
ultimate prize. Many of us have broken dreams. Doesn't mean we should be
jealous or angry that some other people have or could get their particular
dream. I DO tend to think of the bitter people/obvious bigots are people
who have lost their dream and they resent that others may get theirs and (in
this forum) particularly women. It just galls you guys that some women
could actually achieve more than you. Do you also resent other men who have
achieved what you haven't? Probably so but with not so much low life
disgusting and pathetic methods.

>> DUH But, you pathetic creatures are so
>> overly sensitive, I can't believe it's YOU calling ME "Judy."
>
> I'm sorry if you are sensitive about me calling you "Judy". Why
> should it bother you Jude? Aren't we equal and all the same? That's
> the bedrock belief of feminism and what all our feminist laws are
> based on.

Juvile twisting of words. You can't even slam like an adult.

>
>> You guys are
>> the ones who are bunch of whining cry babies, pissed off that you don't
>> get
>> the center seat and that it could possibly go to a woman OF ALL THINGS!
>> lol
>
> Let me guess Jude. You're a Jewish mommy's boy who works in the
> electronics section of K-Mart right? You can fess up Jude, it's OK,
> the feminists will still love you...NOT!

Racist pig.

>
>> Bye bye now, and try to enjoy you miserable life.
>
> Jude, I've had a wonderful life but I'm a little worried about yours.

You'll NEVER convince me of that.
>
> Smitty
>
>>
>>
>> >> Most men
>> >> want to functional, you sick *******. And, to imply that a man who
>> >> wants
>> >> to
>> >> see that his partner is satisfied has something wrong with him shows
>> >> how
>> >> low
>> >> you've gone done the "normal" scale.
>>
>> > Hey girls, mealy mouthed ***** Judy is willing to lick your ***** and
>> > say anything you want to hear in order to do so. Man, you're really
>> > going to have to make him work over time in order to get a climax from
>> > such a ***** as him.
>>
>> >> > can you imagine anything so subervient and emasculated?
>>
>> >> I pity any woman (or man if you're gay) connected to you.
>>
>> > I pity any gay that you give a blowjob to.

Can you actually have a free thought on your own? :0
>>
>> >> > females have become such power-slobbering, vengeful monsters that
>> >> > men
>> >> > have to prop their dicks up with chemicals just to get hard -- fake
>> >> > hard -- for the harpies

That statement sounds as much anti man as it does anti woman. Some women
are vengeful and power hungry. So are some men. Do you hate those men
also? No with as much vigor, right? You're stuck in hatred and it's more
than likely born out being hurt. I bet you're not man enough to admit that.
But since you think you're what a man is supposed to be, let's hear from
you.

>>
>> >> > what's next, girls? popsicle sticks and twine?
>>
>> >> > LOL!!
>>
>> >> > great article by Rebecca Traitor, btw -- Men Can't Handle Powerful
>> >> > Women, hmm haven't we heard this rationalization for the
>> >> > matriarchy's
>> >> > evil a billion times before?

Can you handle a woman who has a independent personality vs. dependent?
Probably not. You'd hate her the very second she opened her mouth and spoke
intelligently! I've seen this happen all too often not to be able to
visual it.

>>
>> >> > of course, not a word as to how Ms. Traitor and her fellow
>> >> > Equalities
>> >> > GOT those academic slots, jobs, etc. allowing them to lord it over
>> >> > those Children Of a Lesser Goddess, males
>>
>> >> > not a word about the mass male poverty, criminalization,
>> >> > degradation,
>> >> > homelessness, unemployment, and unrelenting stomping of boys and men
>> >> > that GAVE those 'powerful females' -- under coercion of the
>> >> > Matriarchal State -- an iron collar and leash around the neck of
>> >> > males
>>
>> >> > no, see . . . it's because females are actually SUPERIOR to males,
>> >> > see, and males, boorish and unevolved primates, just can't accept
>> >> > their complete and utter inferiority with a Big House Smile and a
>> >> > response of 'Yas Missus!'
>>
>> >> > death to teevee and its luciferian propaganda
>>
>> >> > death to the matriarchy
>>
>> >> In you perceived threat of matriarchy shows us that (at least in your
>> >> mind)
>> >> you think women are in control. Well, welcome to feminist's world,
>> >> pal.
>>
>> > <smile> Hey ray, shithead Jude here is actually bragging about women
>> > being superior to him! Dig that.

English comprehension, as well as logic, is not your forte... OBVIOUSLY.
Neither women nor men are superior OR inferior. DUH

>> >> Feminists WERE in a literal world where they were withheld full
>> >> citizenship
>> >> AND the freedom to go about at least searching for their own destiny.
>> >> NOBODY gets everything they want and search for.
>>
>> > Swallowed the feminist lies whole eh Judy? Oh jeeze ray, I think Judy
>> > here may be a REAL retard.

Is this the highest level of your rebuttal?
>>
>> >> However, it IS true that
>> >> men withheld many basic rights we had and there are some who would
>> >> like
>> >> us
>> >> to return to that patriarchy with it's "luciferian" propaganda, i.e.
>> >> men
>> >> are
>> >> SUPPOSED to rule because they can beat the **** out of women if they
>> >> would
>> >> want to (operating on animal level - might making right, etc. etc.).
>>
>> >> Complete matriarchal or patriarchal society is not the answer.
>>
>> >> What I suspect about guys like you is that you're pissed off you
>> >> aren't
>> >> NECESSARILY "on top" anymore. The world (in free countries) isn't
>> >> shaped
>> >> like it used to be - virtually completely patriarchal and that is what
>> >> you
>> >> want. Right?
>>
>> > You're projecting Judy. Go back to your feminist sand box and dig a
>> > hole to stick your head in. But first you'll need to pull it out of
>> > your ass.

Can't have it both ways. On one hand, you lie and say I'm subservient to
women and drool for their sex! lol Then on the other hand, you saying I'm
pissed off. Can you get your false accusation correct and in line?
>>
>> > [Note: I'm really not this profane in real life, only on the intenet
>> > talking to feminists. They bring the worse out in me]

I tend to think that most of us are more profane on the net than in real
life because we are able. There aren't the same possible consquences to
face, so you're no different than most.

I'm not lackey to either men or women. I am actually a loner, have been my
whole life. I don't gravitate to groups because I don't like how group
dynamics work. I don't like "group mentality" which is a mild cousin to
"mob mentality." Since this is a large part of my personality, I always get
a kick out of people telling me that I'm afraid of blacks, afraid of women,
afraid of this and that ONLY because it fits their wishful thinking.
>>
>> > Smitty
>
>

 

[Jude]

"Masculist" <MASCULIST@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189800327.154757.299800@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 14, 12:46 pm, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>> "Masculist" <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1189796023.062459.209160@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 14, 6:18 am, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>> >> "retardsman" <remarks...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1189709753.144882.262480@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On 13 Sep, 11:05, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Sep 13, 10:47 am, Viking <no...@goodgoodbye.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:41:19 -0500, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > >"Viking" <no...@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > >newstsie31nvmbe221kaemu948avbo1q6vo99@4ax.com...
>> >> >> > >> TV is for females.
>> >> >> > >> Period.
>>
>> >> >> > >> It's written for, planned for, designed for, and broadcast for
>> >> >> > >> females. I stopped watching years ago.
>>
>> >> >> > >> The advertisers don't believe that men exist.
>>
>> >> >> > >That is a total crock of ****. There are advertisement CLEARLY
>> >> >> > >aimed
>> >> >> > >toward
>> >> >> > >men... RTFLMAO... you know.... viagra.....just for men hair
>> >> >> > >color....
>>
>> >> >> > Oh yeah, you asshole. TWO WHOLE ADs.
>>
>> >> >> > Geat rebuttal.
>>
>> >> >> > laugh
>>
>> >> >> Yeah and she lists Viagra commercials which dupe men into thinking
>> >> >> they have to please the gal and take medication to do so. This
>> >> >> takes
>> >> >> any responsibility off the gals. Sound familiar? It's the same
>> >> >> old
>> >> >> mantra of feminists, "All responsibility on men and none on women".
>>
>> >> >> Smitty
>>
>> >> > 'zactly smitty, viagra etc. is all about The Woman, not the stoopid
>> >> > duped guy stuffing his body with chemicals to ensure that he's ready
>> >> > (LOL!!) whenever Her Sheness is
>>
>> >> I can see why your nick 's RETARDman."
>>
>> > You can't see **** Judy. Ray and I are both advocates for the
>> > retarded. As such, we know who is truly retarded (Smitty glares at
>> > Judy)
>>
>> >> Women have been "stuffying" their
>> >> bodies with birth control **** for decades but I have this suspicion
>> >> that
>> >> you don't give a **** about others, especially if they're women.
>>
>> > Ray cares about both men and women whereas all you care about is
>> > saying the politically correct thing in order to get laid. You hate
>> > truth and love the lies that get you something from other humans.
>>
>> Delusional asshole. LOL
>
> You don't need to put a "LOL" in there Judy. I didn't when I reamed
> you.

Are you a closet homosexual? Reamed is an "interesting" word for you to
use....
>
>> I, more than most, show myself as I am and not as
>> I think others want me to be.
>
> <smile> What a delusional asshole you are.

You are since you don't know me but think you do.

>
>> There's a lot of pressure from guys to me to
>> "shape up."
>
> I bet there is a lot of pressure from real men on you to "shape up".
> I mean just look at yourself Judy! Your slip is always showing.

No, from assholes like yourself. Pitiful men, really. I sometimes feel
sorry for you. However, most of the times, you're so obnoxious, it's
difficult to feel compassion for your type.

>
>> **** you. I think freely.
>
> I don't doubt that you "think freely"...in the context of drolling for
> sex in women's company.

Boy, are YOU way off the mark. I think perhaps there's a bit of projection
on your part. Did you ever drool for sex from women?
>
>> I don't need every man's approval
>> or woman's approval out there.
>
> Are you sure you don't need women's approval Judy? Your posting from
> alt.feminism for crissakes!!

I post against all types of bigots, little boy.... racist, sexists,
religionists, whatever.

What you don't realize that when I post on racist ngs. they say that I'm a
Jew because my name is Jude. : When I post on sexist ngs, you assholes
call me Judy. You see how predicable you turds end up being. Plus, none of
you incredibly self centered losers think that people will defend what they
are not. I'm not a Jew (I believe in God and in Jesus) and I'm a woman (I'm
a man) and I'm not really a full fledged feminists although I tend toward
most feminist's side because it is my firm belief that women should have the
same opportunity to go out there and screw up or succeed and get the rewards
or punishment of their actions. That some people get away with **** doesn't
mean that freedom is the wrong way. NOBODY, although a lot try, get's the
ultimate prize. Many of us have broken dreams. Doesn't mean we should be
jealous or angry that some other people have or could get their particular
dream. I DO tend to think of the bitter people/obvious bigots are people
who have lost their dream and they resent that others may get theirs and (in
this forum) particularly women. It just galls you guys that some women
could actually achieve more than you. Do you also resent other men who have
achieved what you haven't? Probably so but with not so much low life
disgusting and pathetic methods.

>> DUH But, you pathetic creatures are so
>> overly sensitive, I can't believe it's YOU calling ME "Judy."
>
> I'm sorry if you are sensitive about me calling you "Judy". Why
> should it bother you Jude? Aren't we equal and all the same? That's
> the bedrock belief of feminism and what all our feminist laws are
> based on.

Juvile twisting of words. You can't even slam like an adult.

>
>> You guys are
>> the ones who are bunch of whining cry babies, pissed off that you don't
>> get
>> the center seat and that it could possibly go to a woman OF ALL THINGS!
>> lol
>
> Let me guess Jude. You're a Jewish mommy's boy who works in the
> electronics section of K-Mart right? You can fess up Jude, it's OK,
> the feminists will still love you...NOT!

Racist pig.

>
>> Bye bye now, and try to enjoy you miserable life.
>
> Jude, I've had a wonderful life but I'm a little worried about yours.

You'll NEVER convince me of that.
>
> Smitty
>
>>
>>
>> >> Most men
>> >> want to functional, you sick *******. And, to imply that a man who
>> >> wants
>> >> to
>> >> see that his partner is satisfied has something wrong with him shows
>> >> how
>> >> low
>> >> you've gone done the "normal" scale.
>>
>> > Hey girls, mealy mouthed ***** Judy is willing to lick your ***** and
>> > say anything you want to hear in order to do so. Man, you're really
>> > going to have to make him work over time in order to get a climax from
>> > such a ***** as him.
>>
>> >> > can you imagine anything so subervient and emasculated?
>>
>> >> I pity any woman (or man if you're gay) connected to you.
>>
>> > I pity any gay that you give a blowjob to.

Can you actually have a free thought on your own? :0
>>
>> >> > females have become such power-slobbering, vengeful monsters that
>> >> > men
>> >> > have to prop their dicks up with chemicals just to get hard -- fake
>> >> > hard -- for the harpies

That statement sounds as much anti man as it does anti woman. Some women
are vengeful and power hungry. So are some men. Do you hate those men
also? No with as much vigor, right? You're stuck in hatred and it's more
than likely born out being hurt. I bet you're not man enough to admit that.
But since you think you're what a man is supposed to be, let's hear from
you.

>>
>> >> > what's next, girls? popsicle sticks and twine?
>>
>> >> > LOL!!
>>
>> >> > great article by Rebecca Traitor, btw -- Men Can't Handle Powerful
>> >> > Women, hmm haven't we heard this rationalization for the
>> >> > matriarchy's
>> >> > evil a billion times before?

Can you handle a woman who has a independent personality vs. dependent?
Probably not. You'd hate her the very second she opened her mouth and spoke
intelligently! I've seen this happen all too often not to be able to
visual it.

>>
>> >> > of course, not a word as to how Ms. Traitor and her fellow
>> >> > Equalities
>> >> > GOT those academic slots, jobs, etc. allowing them to lord it over
>> >> > those Children Of a Lesser Goddess, males
>>
>> >> > not a word about the mass male poverty, criminalization,
>> >> > degradation,
>> >> > homelessness, unemployment, and unrelenting stomping of boys and men
>> >> > that GAVE those 'powerful females' -- under coercion of the
>> >> > Matriarchal State -- an iron collar and leash around the neck of
>> >> > males
>>
>> >> > no, see . . . it's because females are actually SUPERIOR to males,
>> >> > see, and males, boorish and unevolved primates, just can't accept
>> >> > their complete and utter inferiority with a Big House Smile and a
>> >> > response of 'Yas Missus!'
>>
>> >> > death to teevee and its luciferian propaganda
>>
>> >> > death to the matriarchy
>>
>> >> In you perceived threat of matriarchy shows us that (at least in your
>> >> mind)
>> >> you think women are in control. Well, welcome to feminist's world,
>> >> pal.
>>
>> > <smile> Hey ray, shithead Jude here is actually bragging about women
>> > being superior to him! Dig that.

English comprehension, as well as logic, is not your forte... OBVIOUSLY.
Neither women nor men are superior OR inferior. DUH

>> >> Feminists WERE in a literal world where they were withheld full
>> >> citizenship
>> >> AND the freedom to go about at least searching for their own destiny.
>> >> NOBODY gets everything they want and search for.
>>
>> > Swallowed the feminist lies whole eh Judy? Oh jeeze ray, I think Judy
>> > here may be a REAL retard.

Is this the highest level of your rebuttal?
>>
>> >> However, it IS true that
>> >> men withheld many basic rights we had and there are some who would
>> >> like
>> >> us
>> >> to return to that patriarchy with it's "luciferian" propaganda, i.e.
>> >> men
>> >> are
>> >> SUPPOSED to rule because they can beat the **** out of women if they
>> >> would
>> >> want to (operating on animal level - might making right, etc. etc.).
>>
>> >> Complete matriarchal or patriarchal society is not the answer.
>>
>> >> What I suspect about guys like you is that you're pissed off you
>> >> aren't
>> >> NECESSARILY "on top" anymore. The world (in free countries) isn't
>> >> shaped
>> >> like it used to be - virtually completely patriarchal and that is what
>> >> you
>> >> want. Right?
>>
>> > You're projecting Judy. Go back to your feminist sand box and dig a
>> > hole to stick your head in. But first you'll need to pull it out of
>> > your ass.

Can't have it both ways. On one hand, you lie and say I'm subservient to
women and drool for their sex! lol Then on the other hand, you saying I'm
pissed off. Can you get your false accusation correct and in line?
>>
>> > [Note: I'm really not this profane in real life, only on the intenet
>> > talking to feminists. They bring the worse out in me]

I tend to think that most of us are more profane on the net than in real
life because we are able. There aren't the same possible consquences to
face, so you're no different than most.

I'm not lackey to either men or women. I am actually a loner, have been my
whole life. I don't gravitate to groups because I don't like how group
dynamics work. I don't like "group mentality" which is a mild cousin to
"mob mentality." Since this is a large part of my personality, I always get
a kick out of people telling me that I'm afraid of blacks, afraid of women,
afraid of this and that ONLY because it fits their wishful thinking.
>>
>> > Smitty
>
>

 

[Jude]

"Masculist" <MASCULIST@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189800807.895306.8530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 14, 12:41 pm, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>> "Masculist" <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1189794544.007269.13760@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Sep 14, 9:38 am, Viking <no...@goodgoodbye.com> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:11:39 -0500, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>> >> >> Yeah and she lists Viagra commercials which dupe men into thinking
>> >> >> they have to please the gal and take medication to do so. This
>> >> >> takes
>> >> >> any responsibility off the gals. Sound familiar? It's the same
>> >> >> old
>> >> >> mantra of feminists, "All responsibility on men and none on women".
>>
>> >> >I'm a man, you dumb****.
>>
>> >> Lie. No matter what the **** your biology is.
>>
>> > Ain't that the truth. I thought all this time that Jude was a woman.
>> > What a sick, sick asshole she is...oops, I should have said "he" but I
>> > just can't do it.
>>
>> The fact that you put me in another category of men than yourself is a
>> compliment. Thanks!
>
> By calling you "Judy" I didn't put you in another category of men, but
> of women. Hmmm, wait a minute, maybe you're gay? Oh that's it,
> you're a fudge packer. Why didn't I think of that before?

Can you comprehend simple English, turd?
>
> Have you ever had AIDS Jude? Do you catch? Which bathhouse is your
> favorite? What child trauma caused you to be gay? Mommy's boyfriend
> perhaps? Mommy?

I don't have sex with men or loose women. I've been married quite a numbers
of years and have been faithful to my wife. That you continuously bring up
homosexuality up, do YOU have a problem that you'd like to share? It's
anonymous Internet....
>
>
>> >> >You think in terms of men vs.
>> >> >women. I don't.
>>
>> >> You think in terms of females vs men, you sick, sick asshole.
>>
>> > She (He) thinks in terms of "mommy, mommy, mommy, help me!"
>>
>> Do not. However, it's OBVIOUS that you think of terms from mommy to
>> wifey.
>
> True, and all three wives failed the test <smile>. I bet you think in
> terms of Unky (your uncle). That's how you started to "catch" isn't
> it?

There you have it. Your bitterness is born of being hurt and disappointed
in 3 attempts. I have also been hurt by one of the biggest asshole
(Charlotte was the asshole's name), but it didn't turn me against women.
LIKE I SAID: Women have the right to be right or wrong and to gain the
success or suffer the consequences of their actions. That some women are
assholes doesn't make them all assholes. You defend men when a woman says
all men are assholes don't you? You really are coming across as an
irrational hater.
>
> Smitty
>
>

 

[Jude]

"Masculist" <MASCULIST@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189800807.895306.8530@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 14, 12:41 pm, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>> "Masculist" <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1189794544.007269.13760@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Sep 14, 9:38 am, Viking <no...@goodgoodbye.com> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:11:39 -0500, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>> >> >> Yeah and she lists Viagra commercials which dupe men into thinking
>> >> >> they have to please the gal and take medication to do so. This
>> >> >> takes
>> >> >> any responsibility off the gals. Sound familiar? It's the same
>> >> >> old
>> >> >> mantra of feminists, "All responsibility on men and none on women".
>>
>> >> >I'm a man, you dumb****.
>>
>> >> Lie. No matter what the **** your biology is.
>>
>> > Ain't that the truth. I thought all this time that Jude was a woman.
>> > What a sick, sick asshole she is...oops, I should have said "he" but I
>> > just can't do it.
>>
>> The fact that you put me in another category of men than yourself is a
>> compliment. Thanks!
>
> By calling you "Judy" I didn't put you in another category of men, but
> of women. Hmmm, wait a minute, maybe you're gay? Oh that's it,
> you're a fudge packer. Why didn't I think of that before?

Can you comprehend simple English, turd?
>
> Have you ever had AIDS Jude? Do you catch? Which bathhouse is your
> favorite? What child trauma caused you to be gay? Mommy's boyfriend
> perhaps? Mommy?

I don't have sex with men or loose women. I've been married quite a numbers
of years and have been faithful to my wife. That you continuously bring up
homosexuality up, do YOU have a problem that you'd like to share? It's
anonymous Internet....
>
>
>> >> >You think in terms of men vs.
>> >> >women. I don't.
>>
>> >> You think in terms of females vs men, you sick, sick asshole.
>>
>> > She (He) thinks in terms of "mommy, mommy, mommy, help me!"
>>
>> Do not. However, it's OBVIOUS that you think of terms from mommy to
>> wifey.
>
> True, and all three wives failed the test <smile>. I bet you think in
> terms of Unky (your uncle). That's how you started to "catch" isn't
> it?

There you have it. Your bitterness is born of being hurt and disappointed
in 3 attempts. I have also been hurt by one of the biggest asshole
(Charlotte was the asshole's name), but it didn't turn me against women.
LIKE I SAID: Women have the right to be right or wrong and to gain the
success or suffer the consequences of their actions. That some women are
assholes doesn't make them all assholes. You defend men when a woman says
all men are assholes don't you? You really are coming across as an
irrational hater.
>
> Smitty
>
>

 

[Jude]

"Masculist" <MASCULIST@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189801139.061953.159020@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 14, 9:29 am, Viking <no...@goodgoodbye.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:07:41 -0500, "Jude" <Ca...@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>> >You're the freaking joke because I dont' think anybody who operates out
>> >of
>> >logic and not self pity would take what you said seriously. There are
>> >MANY
>> >ads directed to men with the underlying message "You buy this or that
>> >and
>> >you get the girl." DUH I don't have to do research to educate your
>> >self
>> >imposed ignorance. It's a no brainer as they say.
>>
>> There ain't such ads, you sad sack. Ads are aimed at females. Didn't
>> you read that study poted here that said 98% of the "mini-battles" in
>> TV ads were won by females???
>>
>> So let me get this straight. You fabricate a scenario, and then say
>> "DUH". laugh What's your ****ing psychosis?
>
> Jude isn't crazy Viking, he just is not too bright which sometimes
> comes off as "crazy". You know how it is with dumb sons in the Jewish
> community. They will march right into the gas chamber with smile's on
> their faces. The Jews thought the problem was solved but then a few
> like Jude still come along. Their only hope is to become gay and hope
> gay men and women will take care of them.

THAT is about the most retarded attempt at slaming I think I've ever seen on
the net! Geez, don't you guys get it yet? YOU'RE the type of men, feminist
can point to justifying the need for feminism! lol You'd take away every
human right women had if you could, wouldn't you?

 

[Jude]

"Viking" <noway@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in message
news:mfule31ut4rug79qeqv6m2h10bd9b5h0q4@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:14:56 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Viking" <noway@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in message
>>news:h4ele3t17k7pnoq084lrpvro4ks8jvajpu@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:11:39 -0500, "Jude" <Cajun@thebayou.wet> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yeah and she lists Viagra commercials which dupe men into thinking
>>>>> they have to please the gal and take medication to do so. This takes
>>>>> any responsibility off the gals. Sound familiar? It's the same old
>>>>> mantra of feminists, "All responsibility on men and none on women".
>>>>
>>>>I'm a man, you dumb****.
>>>
>>> Lie. No matter what the **** your biology is.
>>
>>Is the lowlife upset? lol You think that only real men fight women
>>and/or
>>feminists? lol THAT makes you a bigot, definately not on the highest
>>intelligence stratum and probably you're very brutish in real life
>>guessing
>>from your posting style.
>
> That's your rebuttal style: A) shriek "Bigot!" B) Insult intelligence
> of OP

You can insult but nobody else can? The difference between you and I,
bonehead, is that I do it so much better than you/
>
> If you're the best we have to face, we've got it made.

You don't have anything made. You're a bitter broken man angry against
women and all men who get along with most of them. I get along with most
women. I'm sure that isn't true about you. You probably glare at them and
keep your distance setting up a self-fullfilling fear.

 

[Jude]