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lol, well I do mean it, I never intended it to go that way eddo, I don't see any conflict in my feeling bad things went poorly and still at the same time point out how it got there in my opinion. I contributed to it, for my contribution I am sorry, is that worded better? Did Times just say he was sorry and let it stand or did he instead make a long winded list of excuses for his comments and then follow that up with more attacks on everyone's character? If Louis had simply said he was sorry we would have accepted without further comment, but Times can't do that. http://Off Topic Forum.com/top...post__p__106905 B) Compare how many words followed my apology and how many followed yours, lol. Again, I am sorry for my part in it blowing up into the bigger mess, how about you Joe?

If you can make it to Florida, your invited, lol. Thanks emkay, I googled some info too and your pretty much dead on with what I saw from others, your quite the food person I will be cooking this myself and the most I cook a steak for myself is medium but usually I like rare. I do love garlic most of the time, sometimes a pepper blend I buy from a local guy who makes it himself too. I tend to avoid salt when cooking most of the time but I might try a little to see how it goes. I got this huge box of steaks home last night and was tempted to cook one right then but I exercised some discipline and was able to make myself wait, lol.

I had to go to Atlanta for the last two days for final signatures on a new big job we just landed and as a bonus for landing the job and maintaining a very tight gap from the next lowest bid from our competition my boss has told me to stop by his house and pick up a large box of Kobe Beef. He says there are various cuts in the box but it holds about 20 steaks total. I have always heard of Kobe beef, even saw it on the menu of a very few of the most expensive places I have been to but I have never even considered paying that kind of money for beef in my life (I remember a hamburger at one place was $100). My boss swears it is the best tasting steak in the world and he never eats anything but Kobe Beef. Have any of you guys ever tried Kobe Beef? I am planning on having a cookout this weekend at the river house and inviting a few friends over, generally speaking I usually only rub steaks down with garlic before grilling them but I am wondering if I should just cook them plain to see how they come out. Even though I did not have to pay for it, I still would hate to use seasonings that would mess up the flavor of the beef. Maybe I will google it and see what I can find on cooking Kobe Beef. I am very excited, the expense is over the top for this stuff, but it is also nice to get a pat on the back for a job well done. I can't wait to taste this stuff

Chi, you see this is frustrating for me to a certain degree because you all have a double standard: Right there you said you would not post again, if you can't drop something after you said you were dropping it, why come down on me for what you believe is my inability to drop something? I fully admit I love to debate until the cows come home but........I don't take anything any of you say so personal I try to e-kill you for it, that is the biggest difference between my posting and those of you who get personal and crazy in your attacks on me. Remember how you attacked my spelling then you made your own spelling mistakes? The only reason I ever mention any of this is the double standard.

lol, well I do mean it, I never intended it to go that way eddo, I don't see any conflict in my feeling bad things went poorly and still at the same time point out how it got there in my opinion. I contributed to it, for my contribution I am sorry, is that worded better?

I saw most of the negative reps happen and I saw who was the only ones logged on at the time, so yes, I did know who gave me the negative rep, and you could have asked me how I knew how did it, but you did not ask, you "assumed" I could not possibly know and ran with your insults based on that assumption and the general desire to keep the gangbangs going. I'm sorry everyone, once again I get sucked into their game of insults and I don't ever seem to learn that this is exactly what they want. I am done, I hate that this happens.

You guys are like chickens, any chance that you see me vulnerable you pounce and peck, peck, peck on the spot in your attempt to kill, but I can accept that, I have dealt with worse and I am sure you guys will never give me a chance, just like Joe's first reaction to my post was not to consider what was written but to try and figure out some way to attack me with it. I am sorry everyone, I never meant to let this get so exploded out of control. I did not start this, but as usual I get the blame for it.

most of us are smart enough to read and comprehend who did and did not start what. Just because someone said something on here does not make it real. (just like your slam at me "always being on the side of the false attacks- people know me enough to know the truth, no matter what you say it is.) Derailing an entire thread to talk about your rep is exactly what a whiny little girl would do. But I did not do that, someone else mentioned the rep eddo, see what I mean? I get blamed for stuff I did not even do, all I did was reply to it, then I have everyone all gangbanging me attacking me when it was not me who started it.

No, no, no now Joe, don't try to remake history, you had asked me several questions and I answered them then I asked you several questions that you completely ignored so I called you out on your dodging and you responded with the threat to ban for for daring to say the truth you were dodging my questions. If you can ask me questions, why is it unfair for me to ask you questions? And should we discuss your wish that I get cancer and die?

So if someone says I did something I did not do, just accept it as real because if I speak out against it, you will negative rep me for daring to speak out to defend myself? Then again, your always on the side of those making the false attacks so I guess I see why you would say that, I mean when your attacking someone they should just take it like a man right?

Whaaa! Waaa! Chi isn't playing fair. Waaaaaa! Maybe if you weren't such a whiny bitch people would take you seriously or at least give some credence to your postings. And you crying about my crying is better Joe?

This wasn't exactly in an honest light. I said I was going to ban you if you kept accusing me of "dodging" a question when in fact the question was answered, everyone except yourself could see the question was answered. I believe a quote directly from my pm, made this obvious to normal people that I wasn't just telling you, that you can't use the word "dodge" with me. From the PM... A little disingenuous to only show one small segment out of context Joe, how about this part: Right there you admit to dodging to avoid talking to me but what was my reply Joe? I told you to stop being one way, if you ask me questions then it is reasonable for me to ask you questions, you can't have it both ways, if you want to not involve yourself with me then don't. I was not talking to you when out of nowhere you try to accuse me of stealing my post from someone else, why do that if all you want is to not be involved with me? Just leave me alone, I leave you alone and all is well. But you can't do that can you Joe? You have to take shots, and then this, this kind of mess is the result, is this what you really want? All of this is because you started it.

So I deserve a negative rep from you if I point out that I am being blamed for something I did not do? Funny as hell eddo. As I just poointed out, everything you just said I said first, nothing you mention is new from my posts but you get praise while I get negative rep and called a racist for the same exact words. That was my point and I did not even start complaining, I was just replying to what someone else brought up about the rep points. As usual you never actually read what happened and you assume I was the one who started it because other people are jumping on me you just follow their lead not even knowing that what your assuming is wrong.

Did IWS just say he was sorry and let it stand or did he instead make a long winded list of excuses for his comment and then follow that up with more attacks on my character? If Joe had simply said he was sorry I would have accepted without further comment, but IWS can't do that, even emkay agreed Joe was not the type to offer an apology. I find it interesting that Joe said he was sorry then followed up those couple words with a few dozen nasty words to attack me but when I "reply" to the nasty words that followed his apology, you only comment on my words and not his "extra" nasty commentary. I am not a floormat, if someone does me wrong and talks nasty I will comment on it. Joe had no reason to post what he posted, he took a nasty shot at me and when he had a chance to make a no strings apology, he decided excuses and follow up remarks was the way to go instead. Clearly he did not mean his apology. As we see with his taking a shot at my dead mother, Joe does not mean his apology in the slightest.

I don't blame the current state of the economy on illegals, but it is foolish to ignore the impact they are having- especially here in the southwest. California is bankrupt. Arizona is getting close. State agencies all over Arizona are being forced to make massive budget cuts to meet the state budget. Furlough days, pay cuts, layoffs, tax increases are all over the place. Will stopping illegal immigration fix all that? probably not- but it the root cause of a 2.7 billion dollar loss each year, and there are lots of places that money could be better spent. as for the current economy driving illegals out? yeah, not happening, at least with many- because our crappy economy still affords them a much better life than what they have in Mexico, Cuba, or many other nations. Focusing on other things to fix the economy is good, but ignoring illegal immigration would be a devastating move to our country. We simply cannot afford to pay for people here that are not putting back into the system. If we continue, it will destroy our country. I can agree with a lot of what you said. Interesting that I said exactly what eddo said over and over and each time I said it, I was called a racist, but someone other than me parrots almost my exact same words and suddenly you agree? Well the real thing that matters is you see the point being made, even if you were too closed off to get that point from me, lol.

And yet he said the exact same things I said, if I repeated it that was because you failed to read and understand it the first time. I am just pointing out that you find fault because it is me, if the same things were said by eddo (as in this case) you have a completely different reaction to it. This may be about character, but not eddo's character, it is about your character to have knee-jerk negative reactions to anything I say instead of givign me the chance to actually read it, so much strife could be avoided if you actually took the time to read my posts instead of assuming you already know what I was going to say. On this topic all I was trying to point out is it is harder to hurt fellow humans than you might thing, but even with this small point your insulting me and calling me a liar about my job experiences all in one. Why can't you just let your thing for me go and let's try to get along for a change?

lol, not from Joe, I already have too many of those from him. I would rather he owe me them than cheat me out of them. As for this comment. Only in your small, demented, mind. I believe there are entire threads dedicated to your lies about things I supposedly did to you and were supposedly making veiled threats to you. You mean where you threatened to ban me if I pointed out you dodging a question again? That kind of veiled threat? lol, sometimes you make this stuff too easy Joe.

Under different circumstances I would laugh but I can't because these are my words Joe. I did know and play with Kimberly, she was taken from my school, and I remember as a kid, armed parents were patrolling the perimeter of the schools for awile because this scared the crap out of everyone. A couple years later I remember another girl claiming she was abducted and raped and that just had the parents all worked up again until the girl confessed she lied. What makes you think I stole this from someone else Joe? Try googling it and see what you find, when you don't get any match from anyone else writing this I would appreciate an apology. Well if it truely is yours, my mistake and I apologize for the inference. As to why I made my comment... I'll start with the initial "flag" is the writing style. That in no way follows the pattern of speech or flow of subject you have ever written to my knowledge and experience, although If this is a section from a creative writing assingnment, or essay, I haven't read any of your old high school papers. Second is the fact that the only word I noticed misspelled was the word, "shadowy" (shodowy) and that seemed to be an obvious typo, not as a result of someone who can't spell worth a darn. Maybe the subject was near and dear to my heart as a real and defining segment of my development and life so that led me to give it more attention than a garden varity reply to a political stand? Maybe just a death of a child was enough to give it more substance? Or maybe your just doing your normal "find fault about anything times says" role? Maybe you should take the post to a psychologists and have an analysis done on it?

Your opinion. And only because that is not the norm nowadays. Maybe it should be. It would certainly deter a lot of these cowards from doing some of these things to others and the innocent/weak. If one family member was unwilling there is always another who would or even a volunteer I am sure. As I said before, I agree on the deterrent aspect, all I was trying to say is normal people would not find chopping off limbs to be easy to do without the emotional tie one would have as a family member or something, and even then many family members have been very vocal in the past in not wanting the killers killed for their act. Yes, that is my opinion, but based on some real life examples, for example: While working as a prison investigator we had a case where an officer working in a tower saw an inmate escaping through the fence. This is a max prison where all the inmates are really hard criminals with lots of time so an escaping inmate represents massive danger to the public. Tower officers are armed with AR15's and 12 gauge shotguns and are instructed to shoot any inmate where it is clear he will escape if not shot. The woman tried to do her duty, she pointed her weapon and shouted warnings to the inmate, but she could not pull the trigger. Lucky for the institution they had a roving patrol who came along and the inmate was stopped but if not for that other officer, the inmate would have escaped because the officer could not pull the trigger. We can talk big and bad all we want, we can play the part of someone who talks big about what we will do when the time comes, but many times people find out that once they are thrust into that situation their bravado and words don't pull that trigger or flip that switch, or even swing that axe. I know better than most how it feels to be responsible for taking a life, and even though I did so to defend my own life, it is still a very heavy weight I will carry with me for all of my days. Let's add prison investigator to the long list of TJ expertise and personal experience. So who'd you kill, TJ? During time of war? I mentioned my time working for prisons a long, long time ago Chi. Instead of attacking the person, how about reading and trying to understand the words offered because if you can start doign that you might find our that we would agree on more, you just said you afree to what eddo said about illegals and I had said the same words long before eddo and you said you did not agree, all because someone else said the words. Most of the time you dissagree with em without ever reading one word I wrote.

Chi and emkay have been running around giving me negative rep on all my posts recently, I lost over a hundred rep points because the system let's them vote over and over again abusing the system. I don't really care though, just another example of how you have to be politically correct or the liberals will try to punnish you any way they can. Should we call you a waaaa-mbulance? I negative rep you everytime I see you go off topic and start your crying/rehashing of old crap/throw your own pity party as an excuse to label everyone. Even if you add a good point to the end of it- you get the negative rep (of course, you aren't the only one I do this too, but I do find myself needing to do it to you more than anyone else.) I'm so tired of it all... There is nothign wrong with giving neg rep sometimes eddo, and I was not the one who brought it up in this thread, I was just agreeing with someone else that is was a tad silly to be so emotional that their spamming neg rep as "part" of their debating. For example, what parts of my posts here was wrong eddo? You just agreed with all of my posts on this thread. I was not off topic or anything as your offering until someone else brought the rep point up, not me. Did you negative rep to that person? No, but you do me, because your just falling into the same gangbang mentality you have always fell into. You have never been outside of the gangbangs, and you never will.

Your opinion. And only because that is not the norm nowadays. Maybe it should be. It would certainly deter a lot of these cowards from doing some of these things to others and the innocent/weak. If one family member was unwilling there is always another who would or even a volunteer I am sure. As I said before, I agree on the deterrent aspect, all I was trying to say is normal people would not find chopping off limbs to be easy to do without the emotional tie one would have as a family member or something, and even then many family members have been very vocal in the past in not wanting the killers killed for their act. Yes, that is my opinion, but based on some real life examples, for example: While working as a prison investigator we had a case where an officer working in a tower saw an inmate escaping through the fence. This is a max prison where all the inmates are really hard criminals with lots of time so an escaping inmate represents massive danger to the public. Tower officers are armed with AR15's and 12 gauge shotguns and are instructed to shoot any inmate where it is clear he will escape if not shot. The woman tried to do her duty, she pointed her weapon and shouted warnings to the inmate, but she could not pull the trigger. Lucky for the institution they had a roving patrol who came along and the inmate was stopped but if not for that other officer, the inmate would have escaped because the officer could not pull the trigger. We can talk big and bad all we want, we can play the part of someone who talks big about what we will do when the time comes, but many times people find out that once they are thrust into that situation their bravado and words don't pull that trigger or flip that switch, or even swing that axe. I know better than most how it feels to be responsible for taking a life, and even though I did so to defend my own life, it is still a very heavy weight I will carry with me for all of my days.

She most likely got tired of being asked "is your husband really that stupid or is he just acting that way to make money?".

But why get so emotional about things emkay? Why can't we share our thoughts without you taking everything so deeply and personal that you have to get mad at me? We sometimes agree on things too, I guess I just don't understand the costic way a couple of you behave sometimes. I can easily see where you don't agree because I often do not agree with you, but I have never felt anger ofter readung a post you had made no matter how misguided or biased it obviously was.

Because murder is impersonal, nowhere in the record is it ever written down who flipped the switch on an execution for example. Most places have a pool of "possible" people to do the deed and the actual person who did it is never released or known unless they speak of it. I have known of officers who thought they could do it and when the time came, even under those controlled and clinical conditions just could not drag up the courage and determination to flip that switch. Dragging a guy out to a "chopping block" and waxcking off his arm would tend to be a little more hands on and a lot harder to keep your identity private. I guess another way to make this point is to say it is a lot harder to kill or hurt another human being even when you have a good reason to do so. And that is normal emkay. We are not supposed to like doing things like that, people who "want" to behave that way without some other driving force like defending their life or loved ones are most likely a tad sick. Chi, I would be very glad to take care of that, but we were talking from the point of view of society and government with laws and procedures, not street justice. And I bet even many families would not be able to do those kinds of things even to a monster who attacked a loved one. For the same reasons I already offered to emkay, it is a lot harder to hurt a human being than you might think.

Never said it was, sure they are part of the blame too because their illegal activities in bringing in almost half the illegal drugs into America certainly added to the problem, but I never said illegals were all of the problem. Don't forget the average person who got the bad loans were buying homes they had no business trying to buy and that is why when the interest rates went up, the payments doubled and people could not afford the payments because they were already over extended. Most of these bad loans were not for basic homes, they were for homes that the people buying them could only make the payments because the interest rates were bottomed out, even half a point increase would drive the home out of their payrange. These prospective homeowners were also greedy. The war, you can't be serious. Do you know that 7 years of conflict and two wars going for a good part of that was still less money spent than Obama spent in one swipe of a pen to pass the stimulus bill Chi. One year of spending on illegals even surpasses that money so maybe you should reconsider some things. AS we keep saying and you keep ignoring, this has nothing to do with race, it is about the fact we are broke Chi. We can't afford the trillions of dollars on illegals welfare and free schools and such anymore, the well is dry. Why not do several layers of fixes? I am not sure what you think is the biggest cause of tax money running out but sending home 12 million illegals will free up about 1 million jobs Americans could then work in place of the illegals. We gain the welfare that was previously spent on the 12 million illegals and we gain 1 million working Americans who are also off welfare and unemployment and are paying taxes on the money they are earning. All of that seems like a huge help right there. Doubt it really, even no jobs in America is better than no job in Mexico. Mexico does not pay the kind of welfare America does. By the way, nobody here said anything about the illegals being "dirty" and such, no need for that kind of thing, your still trying to make this sound like a race issue, and race has nothing to do with this, we are broke Chi, when will you figure out that we can't afford to support every human being in the world just because they can sneek into the Country? No emkay, you neg me because you can't handle being wrong, typical. I always wondered at why liberals were so brittle tempered? If they don't agree with me I may argue a little with them but no big deal, I take them for who they are and let it go, I certainly do not let it get under my skin because life is too short to let someone else riles me up over something as insignificant as a discussion on the internet. But I guess there is another great symptom of being liberal, to be very easily emotional and upset even over a discussion where people do not agree. I can disagree without being emotional, liberals evidently cannot, lol.