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Not really, I am very secure with my manhod, there is nothing to be brave about, lol.

lol, well that is certainly some options, of course small talk is allowed, but one would consider a friend already knows most of the basics about you being as your their friend....right? I'm sorry guys, I know I am not fitting in well with this discussion because I just do not understand the whole 'stranger date' thing. I offered what I thought was a good first date, I had no idea that was a reason to flame me about what I liked, I thought the question was about what each of us liked, not trying to fit into what someone else thought was good. Someone should have warned me that my opinion was not welcome so we could avoid all the attacks on me as a horrible person for daring to stick to my own definition of where a real "DATE" starts in the human relationship scenario. Again, I am sorry.

So you date people you do not want to be romantic with? Everyone I have dated I knew first in one form or another, either from church, a brancing job (never get your honey from the same place you get your money) where I see them all the time, political groups, school pta meetings and even our local builders association meetings or county commissioner meetings. Tami had been a regular member to three of the things I do on a regular basis. We knew each other for over 4 years before we ever spent time talking about each other and being friends first. We met up on various things like a political trip to lobby our State legislature together but I would not call any of that stuff a "DATE". Even when we were closer friends and had lunch together or shopping for a mutual friend in Halmark that was not what I would call a "DATE". We had discussed maybe doing more for months before we finally set an actual "DATE" where we would persue something more. That first "DATE" was very special to both of us, we still talk about how that decision was very much like starting over, like a fork in the road where we both decided to travel down a turn we had always avoided before. But my point on this is before I was comfortable enough to go on what I considered a "DATE" I already knew all about this woman as a friend, so we did not have to spend the majority of the time explaining who we were or what we did, or what our hobbies were, or how many children we had, or what television we liked, or what kinds of pets we owned, or where we grew up, or what color was our favorite........... Friends, then lovers instead of the more modern lovers, then if your lucky friends.

Well as usual my old school morals get in the way of understanding the question, obviously that is my fault for not keeping up with the times. To me spending time to get to know each other's names, where you work, basic history is not really a date, to me a date is about romance, love, special time shared with someone you already know the basics about and want to see if you can cultivate some romance. I could never "date" (try to be romantic) with someone I did not already consider a basic friend first. And just to say it again I was not saying to be alone, I cannot run a 50 foot sailboat by myself, there would be at least three staff on the boat with us.

What do you believe a 1st date is? If not an attempt for something romantic then what? A booty call? If you believe their self esteem is so low that they will sleep with a stranger on the first date then why would you want romance with someone like that? When I mention getting to know each other I mean more than a friendship or casual relationship would be Wez, sharing dreams and beliefs not normally shared with just any 'familure stranger' you may know. Or maybe we juat have different ideas of what is called a date and your just trying to be overly critical......considering your past that last makes the most sense. Again I guess I am just missing the new agre of dating where everythign is rush, rush, rush without any middle ground, you guys think dating is meeting a stranger, go out on a "date" then screw, well what I shared was my idea of a date based on where I would be and how I would do things leading up to a date, I am not part of the "booty call" generation.

You never go sailing before Joe? I find sailing to be exciting and relaxing at the same time. Too many people try to be someone they are not when they first meet someone, for me to even go on a first date they would not be a complete stranger anyway, I would have to know them well enough to want to do something romantic and move our relationship to something more. I also do not have sex with strangers, I am thinking you guys are trying to look at my date from the perspective of two people who don't even know anything about each other, like a blind date or something. That is not what I am talking about at all. I would not waste that kind of preparation on a blind date, a blind date is better spent going to a football game or something to break the ice and know if you even like each other enough to do a real date. I am talking about a real date, something you do after you both know your interested in each other romantically and want to take it to that next level. Maybe I am just too old but I still believe you can't do these things overnight, it takes time to know if you want to be romantic so your not just rushing into something from lust, that would never last.

Okay, let's look a little closer to that concept. Who was really voting for their values? The guy who votes for someone who cannot win or who does not vote at all has no chance at all of getting even a tiny speck of what he claims to believe in enacted. You know beyond all doubt that your vote is wasted, so in reality your really voting for the other guy, the pure socialist who you claim to hate but your direct actions actually helped. My vote was for someone who could actually win and even though I did not like everything he stood for, I was happy to get 75% of my wants instead of taking a 175% departure from my wants to help Obama get elected. Most true conservatives? I am a true conservative and I most certainly would never waste my vote and help someone like Obama get elected. For every actions there is a reaction, by refusing to accept compromise where you can get some of what you wanted, you instead guranteed that you would get nothing and suffer all the more than if you had accepted the compromise. Do you really think your better off with the kinds of policies and judges Obama will enact just so you can claim a "purity" possition? And instead you would rather offer support for someone like Obama through inaction waiting forever for a perfection in canidate that you will never find: A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault. ~John Henry Striving for excellence motivates you; striving for perfection is demoralizing. ~Harriet Braiker Gold cannot be pure, and people cannot be perfect. ~Chinese Proverb Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without. ~Confucius Sometimes... when you hold out for everything, you walk away with nothing. ~ unknown

I would mention it and look for her reaction, of course I would not try to make her feel trapped or anything. Why is it you always have to try and make me sound like a monster or something? Believe it or not, here in Florida people see water sports as normal every day activities, not a chance to trap someone and molest them. It is not like we would be alone anyway, hard to run a 50 foot sailboat by yourself, lol.

Maybe you just need a little more 'stoking of the fire' ?

That is why I would love to go boating, and fishing then cook what we catch, I love to cook especially for someone special. If things go well and time is lost because of great time together then there is the sunset on the water as a great end to the trip. Special time together is spent "WITH" each other, not with your mind accupied on something like a movie, I completely agree with all of you. Did I tell you guys about the time I went on a date with a lady who stayed on her cellphone the entire drive to dinner? I didn't even stop at the restaurant, I turned around and took her back home.

If you read the entire thing I linked instead of the short part I quoted you might understand better. Like it or not we have a two party system, at the final vote, one of two people will be leading the Country. When you cast your vote you are either voting for one or the other, if you waste your vote on someone like Barr when you know beyond any shadow of doubt that he cannot win, then you know your not supporting the conservative that "CAN" win. Indirectly your actually voting for Obama by witholding your vote for McCain. If all the normally conservative minded splinter groups like the Libertarians had gotten behind McCain we would have won, and we would not be trying to fight off the Government takeover of healthcare and we most certainly would not have activist Judges put into powerful offices like Sotomayor if McCain had won. Everyone who refused to vote, or voted for a canidate they knew had no chance to win but normally believes in conservative values has actually voted for Obama and is just as responsible for Obama being in power as those who actually cast their vote with his name on it. “Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote.� ~ William E. Simon “Democrats are the only reason to vote for Republicans� ~ Will Rogers

What else could it be? If this legislation is so wonderful, why is it even today Obama and company are twisting arms and making payoff promises to buy votes? When even many Democrats are balking at how intrusive and large this thing is, that should scare everyone in America, because these guys actually see what is going on behind the closed doors, nobody else can see that.

Oh yes you did my friend, you made a trip 75% conservative to a 100% socialist, that was you moving 175% to the left RO, no matter how you try to rationalize it. As I said before, nobody is 100% exactly like you, perfect in every way so no matter what human you vote for, it is voting for the lesser evil. It is called reality. You can claim that McCain would have passed something equal but you know that to be untrue. Sure, McCain has had a few issues here and there but he was nothing like Obama. Your still forgetting things like judges, McCain would naver have selected a Sotomayor for example. A vote cast for someone you know cannot win is a vote for a liberal RO. I posted this for hugo but he refuses to read it, maybe you will: http://www.redcounty.com/national/2008/10/a-no-vote-or-a-barr-vote-equal If there are only 2 candidates, there will be votes destined for Obama, and votes destined for McCain. ANY vote NOT for McCain is a vote for Obama and this is why: Say you have 20 voters- 10 are registered Democrats, and 10 are registered Republicans. The 10 Democrats decide to support Obama, because well, he's a Democrat and they are party loyalists. Obama gets those 10 votes! Now we have the Republicans, some of whom are pissing and moaning about how McCain isn't conservative enough for them, so 2 of those decide, hmmm, we're just going to punish the dang 'ol Republican Party and vote for Bob Barr (or Chuck Baldwin). 1 decides to not vote at all. 1 is an Obamacon who has been duped into believing all of Obama's lying campaign rhetoric, and decides to vote for Obama. So McCain gets only 6 votes and Obama wins. Those 4 non-McCain votes got Obama elected, how is that not a vote for Obama!!

That what I like about you RO, your not scared to explore areas averyone else would avoid. At least you don't have to take your date to dinner first

I would never call Obama a socialist based on one thing, or two, or even three, that is because as I said before, humans are complex creatures and nobody, not even you is 100% anything. I consider Obama, Reid, and Pelosi to be socialists because everything they do is socialist, there is nothing they have ever come out passionate about that would be considered a conservative idea. By writing in a vote for someone who could not win you actually voted for Obama, I know you do not want to admit that but you turned your back on someone who could win and was 75% conservative, would have made conservative appointments to judges, and would not have pushed for universal healthcare. People like you and hugo caused this mess, not people like me who could see the least of all evils and make a choice based on what was better for the Country, not get pissed off and waste my vote out of spite. We need to come back together, no we will never completely agree with those in the Republican party, but if we stay together all of us can push for more liberal members and do some actual good by limiting the damage done by someone like Obama. No, the libertarians did not get Obama elected on ther own, they are just an example of disconnected splinter groups who are on the sidelines claiming to have a conservative belief structure but voting socialist, it is the splintering of the party that is getting people like Obama elected, not any one splinter.

So we back to personal flames to dodge your losing a discussion hugo? What part of consensual exposure do you fail to understand? I do not want people to force exposure on anyone else so you think that is the exact same thing as not wanting "ANY" exposures to include fun times? Your exactly like Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, people do not want "THEIR" version of healthcare reform so all those three do is run around and claim the conservatives do not want "ANY" reform. Amazing how much you have in common with the radical liberals hugo. right down to how you use false claims to try and derail attention away from a topic your weak on. You lied about the woman being forced into prison if she was charged with a felony. You lied about the cost to the State if she was convicted with a felony You lied about the cost to bring her to court if she was charged with a felony. You lie about me not wanting any exposure to a woman. Yep, you fit into the liberal scheme of things nicely. The point is that hugo is the kind of progressive who loves to come up with excuses for bad behavior in society, these behaviors would never had been tolerated by people like Thomas Jefferson hugo, do you think this is what our founding fathers had for personal freedom? Do you believe they would approve of how your trying to protect peopel from their own bad behaviors? Dignity was very important to them in those days hugo, where is the dignity is snatching out your breast and squirting peopel with it? Where is the self-control? Where is the self-discipline? “With self-discipline most anything is possible.� ~ Theodore Roosevelt “Everyone tries to define this thing called Character. It's not hard. Character is doing what's right when nobody's looking.� ~ unknown

Ren, do you really believe it is necessary to take shots? You ever dress up nice or wear lingerie for a special night? Why? This is sort of the same thing. Yes, it is silly, I love to be silly and love it even more when with someone who is willing to be silly back and not all uppity or prudish.

I generally would let the woman decide, if they showed no desire to do so and wanted me to set it up I would most likely ask her if she liked fish and fishing, if so we would head out on the Gulf for the day on my bosses boat, catch some fish and cook it fresh on the boat. I love the water and fishing allows a lot of time to talk and get to know each other instead of staring at a movie screen not talking.

I was thinking of it as a prank, you know, "I'm watching for the magic color..."

I don't think it is fair to single out one thing and say someone is a socialist. I recently offered an example of how Texas has recently enacted several progressive changes in their prison system that are right out of the Californis department of corrections handbook, does that mean one area of progressive actions turns every politician in Texas into a socialist? Human beings are complicated, I do not think any of us are 100% anything, hell even the normally conservative minded Libertarians voted for Obama in the last election, now does that mean all those Libertarian voters are now socialist because they voted for one socialist President? All I do know is that someone like Obama is a million times worse than someone like Sarah Palin but if we spend all our time bashing conservatives because they are not 100% perfect compared to our ideals....then we will always help the liberals win because in many cases they will get behind whoever can win, while crybaby conservative splinter groups refuse to get behind who can win under some misguided notion that they are making a difference in protest......well they are not helping their own conservative causes by turning their backs on a 80% conservative and helping a 100% socialist get elected, that is like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

That was pretty special, girls do think of those special touches most guys never think of.

http://newyork.timeout.com/articles/shopping/73968/review-mood-swing-emotionally-activated-lip-gloss-at-sephora I was wondering what the ladies of the forum thought of this stuff, I am thinking about ordering some for my lady as a kind of funny gift.

You can also put brackets around 'media' then the url '/media' to do the same thing. That is a [ instead of the ' I used.

There is a little icon all the way to the right past the smiley and stuff called "media". Click on that then paste the url.

This is not new but I guess I missed it back when it first came out, this guy is simply pure idiot.