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Here we go, I never tried to make it seem like I was never part of the problem, I have said several times that I do add to the mess but that the mess was already there before I added to it, so again let me say that yes, I am at fault for inserting more into the horrible mess. I am sorry for that, but to be honest I felt it was unfair for me to face 5 or 6 people at once when it should have been me and the person involved, most of my additional unreasonable comments was I guess my way of being unfair to those who were unfair to me. That was my fault to think that way and I do take responsibility for that. So what now? I propose a new start but not like any that have ever happened before, I want to both give my forum members a gift and also to ask all of you to help me to get along with you better at the same time by giving you some responsibility to go with that gift. Step one, I am taking both eddo and wez off my ignore list, I hope they can stay that way but I will promise that only things said/done after today will be considered by me for any future action of this sort. Ali, I ask you to please postpone placing me on ignore because I think you can help me more than most to figure out how to move foward being as your so close to most of the members I seem to have the most issues with. Step two, anything negative that has happened with me and the other members here is now forgotten and forgiven. I will not bring up the past and I ask for all of you to please give me the same chance and let the past be in the past. I am sorry we have gotten here and I ask for your forgiveness for my part in everything. Step three, we got here not based on one thing but the accumilation of many things and even old wounds that have not healed. These things built up over time and I would like to avoid this from happening again so I am going to give everyone on this forum a "safe word". Times Hush. If I am stepping on a nerve that is bothering you please do not call me names or put me down, instead just say "Times Hush" and I will drop it. I really mean this, I want to have spirited debates but I do not want people feeling like they have to try and e-kill me just because we do not agree on something so I would rather just drop it. The problem is sometimes I can get the bit in my teeth and I just keep running when I should most likely just stop so I ask you guys to just give me the "Times Hush" comment so I can try and avoid hurt feelings and the need for those feelings to grow to the point they are at now. Your responsibility to go with your use of the "safe word" is to try and let me know exactly how I got on your nerve and maybe discuss with me in private on how we could get to the point I was trying to make without hurting anyone's feelings. I can see how maybe someone might think that last part is too much but I am giving away a great deal of myself in this exchange, I am giving everyone the power to basically tell me to shut up and I will follow that order as long as the person will help me get better with getting along while still discussing these things. Basically I am placing myself at the mercy of this forum and it's members. I am humbly asking for you all to help me be a better person and someone you would like to discuss things with. Please.

Even the media has been very reluctant to report that this guy was a muslim, much less that he had ties to radical terrorist groups and such. Ali is right, how much rope do we give them to hang us with?

Being in love is scary, sometimes we will blind ourselves to the possibility just to protect ourselves. Let me ask you a question, if this great guy and you made the attempt for 'something more' and it failed, do you think that would hurt you more than not trying? I don't know your heart, maybe you are even not sure of your heart, but I get the feeling you value friendships so much you might not want to ruin one. Based on the limited knowledge I have of your situation I would say why not give it a try? Relationships built on mutual respect are usually the best kind and you certainly seem to have a great deal of respect for him. He seems to respect you too, that is a pretty strong ground to build on. One thing, I don't know him but could he be feeling obligated even though you see the promise as just a joke? Us guys are very strange sometimes and we can get this crazy notion of "doing the right thing" and followhing our honor even if we don't really want to. Just a thought........

With all the extra stuff being discussed I will make one more attempt to offer this point: How can I attempt to find resolution with one person and one event if I have 5 or 6 people all e-screaming at me at the same time? Ali, each of the time you have found resolution with people like MrsK, did it involve eddo, chi, IWS, RO, and anyone else who happened to stop by all screaming at you calling you names and putting you down at that same time? You can shrug it off but we really did find some good ground several times. We are more alike than you want to admit and we agree on many things. As I already said, why were you giving me positive feedback and telling me how good it was to play along one moment and then the next your at my throat over something that has to do with someone else? Almost all of our issues in the last months have been started by someone else and you joined in. Brotherman, Do you really believe an apology is done by saying your wrong with a couple words then say a thousand words telling the same person how completely horrible they are? Yes, Ali admitted she was wrong, then gave a long stream of excuses as to why she was not really responsible for her actions and how I "made" her act that way with comments like "Because you are a forum troll and have no desire to be anything but". How am I supposed to react to a post filled with attacks and excuses for her behavior? That is like me handing you a rose then slapping you in the face three times, what action do you think you will place the greater attention to? I can easily let something go as long as it goes by, but this issue is in my face every day, the constant pressure and agression has never stopped, sure there have been short pauses, but the second I have an issue with eddo, Ali is there attacking me, if I have an issue with RO, Ali is there attacking me, If I have an issue with IWS, Ali is there attacking me........ There seems to be a pattern forming that no matter who I am currently having an issue with, I can't just deal with that person, I have to at the same time fight off several other people who have decided to pile on. I am sure that if I was allowed to deal with these issues one on one we could find some peace, but that has never been allowed. Like I said, me and Ali were doing pretty well, I even made several positive comments to Ali in her discussions about the married guy who was making advances and told her to be careful and offered advise, but all that is completely ignored the second I had an issue with RO. Poof, forgotten, set aside and attack mode is entered to rip me apart. I am trying, but I really do not know how to get past this situation where no matter who I am having an issue with, an entire gang disends on me to flame me and make the situation worse. You want to help? Tell me how to fix that part and I will gladly do it as long as it does not mean I have to just bow down to their force.

Why wait, do it now. I have no desire to get revenge from you, I would prefer to get along with you but at the end of the day you can only do what you feel is right. Question, if I bring out the worse in you, does that not mean it was there all along? Anyway, as I said, it seems impossible for me to get past any specific incident with someone because 5 people all want to jump into the fight and keep any chance of resolution from happening. In my opinion it would make more sense to let each of us handle our own issues without the gangbangs, but I know it is easier moving through life following the mob than to step out on your own.

Well as usual you say you did something wrong with a couple words then spend a thousand words trying to justify what you did. Until you can spend less time with your justifications fo your bad behaviors you will never "truly" see why you were wrong. The only reason your half-heartedly doing it now is it blew up in your face, the real question is why you feel such need to chase revenge? I ask you to do this, look back to before RO and eddo jumped me and see how the two of us were actually doing pretty good, you even gave me positive feedback saying how fun it was when I join in..........then suddenly one of your friends had issue with me and their issue became "YOUR" issue on the spot. Overnight we go from getting along to you at my throat. That is the estrogen mafia I speak of, I can't have an issue with one person, I can't get past a situation with one person, because at the same time I am trying to do that, I have four or five other people all e-screaming at me at the same time. In fact, almost every issue we have had has been because of someone else, not me and you directly. I only talk about the past to prove none of this is me, you have behaved this same exact way for many years, long before I ever even met you, eddo too. You can't blame this trend of yours on me, I am only the most recent target, you always seem to have someone in your crosshairs. Concerning this specific occasion, neither me or RO were "wrong". I already posted on this but as usual you never actually read what I post. There was no evil intent from either one of us, we were simply posting things we thought were good. I never tried to offer any of this for credit, and let's take this a step further. When have I ever made a large post without screwing up several words? Anyone who knows me knows I type too fast for my skill level and mess up all the time. If I was ever actually trying to pass something liek this as my own I would have to insert several missspelled words and such just to give it plausable appearance as it being mine. I was sharing something I thoght was good, nothing more, nothing less. There was no desire on my part to do anything other then that. Just as I am sure there was never any intention from RO to do anything other then that. The only reason this was started was reaching desperately for a "gotcha". And why were you guys so desperate?..................

No, he is stalling for time.....while soldiers are in harms way. What does he care, soldiers are mostly Conservative voters, a few less is a good thing right?

As I said, you can never offer a single actual example of your claims, if you want to come back with links to you actually objecting to the gangbangs I will gladly offer you an appology for what I have said......but no amount of empty and unsubstantiated allegations will get me to believe the untrue claims you have made. Show me the proof, not empty words. As far as being liked, if your idea of being liked is to swallow lies and join in on gangbangs just to fit in I am glad to dissapoint you with my own actions. I believe in being an individual first, and part of a group only if they fit into my own beliefs. I was once very much a part of eddo's group until I saw the way he and Ali behaved with MrsK and if they thought that was okay, then I could no longer be close to them. When you reward their actions with your blind friendships, you take their actions to yourself. That is my point with Ali. When she supports them blindly even when they are wrong, she is guilty of what they do just as much as if she did it herself. ?Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.? ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. I don't matter in the slightest, I am just the current target in a long line of people who have been subjected to the gangbangs run by Ali and eddo. The question is, does that matter? Me, I say common decency does matter, there should be limits to how far a person is willing to go to chase their hate. But eddo and Ali do not see any limits. Anything is fair game as long as it can be used to try and hurt those they do not like. You are just as much a part of all this, you add fuel to the fire, your one of the main people who claim everything I have said is lies. You join in on every gangbang even if your gone for a long streach you will show up to be part of the gangbang then you will dissapear again.

Interesting that the crowder video has been removed, it is even gone from the pjtv site, you see it listed but you can't play it......I wonder what that is about? edit: I got it to work on the pjtv site but it is still removed from youtube.

Military Doctors Worried Hasan Was 'Psychotic,' Capable of Killing Fellow Soldiers - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com It is a good thing we never want to jump to any conclusions these days, I mean if we were in the old days without all these political correct rules we might be able to actually stop things like this from happening but now we have to error on the side of PC and let people get hurt instead......... Thanks to the democrats/liberals/socialists we are becoming sheep waiting for the slaughter while the liberals are patting each other on the backs for how great their new society is with all their "improvements".

It is all just a new way to make money, there is no man caused global warming, certain people like Al Gore have made millions off of 'selling' this farce to the gullible. The data is clear, Co2 follows temperatures, not the other way around. Now we are running the scam on the global level, if you ask me this is the closest thing to a true world government than anything else where these kinds of treaties will take away the rights of individual Countries to rule themselves and instead let huge companies who make the products and consulting groups run everything. Interesting that every politician pushing these changes have close ties to the companies who will make the most money, take GE for example who jumped in bed with Obama and even handed their television networks over to him.

Completely vague and all opinion based on emotional reactions to how I make you feel, not what I have done. I ask for specific examples and you offer more unsubstantiated allegations. That is all any of you have, noting but what you have made up in your own minds created by your feelings, not by facts or real actions by me. You make a lot of claims, and not one example to support them. You said you have spoke out against the gangbangs on this forum, well prove it Chi, because I know you have not ever spoke out against them here ever, not one time. You lied. Again, I am me, I can't be anyone I am not, you guys feel it is wrong for me to express my own values because for some reason it makes you feel bad, well I can't help your feelings, you have to take responsibility for yourself. But I do know one thing, the people getting mad are almost always the ones at fault.

Post one example of you telling ali and eddo they were wrong to do one of their usual gangbangs, a link to the post will be needed of course. To the best of my knowledge, you never have and never have when it comes to me definately not one time. Your a part of Ali's estrogen mafia up to your eyes. As far as the rst of that as usual no specifics, just a general "I brought it on myself" but you can't ever give a specific example where I was ever wrong. The point is you can't, and that is what irritates you guys to the point of e-violence. I don't believe I am superior to anyone, but I believe you guys "think" I am and that is one of the reasons you try to be so hurtful. Your issues are inside your own heads, not me.

In a discussion I had today with some friends we were talking about "sin taxes" and how they will effect the average person who would pay the tax and how it will have the secondary harm of hurting families. In recent years we have seen massive tax increases in things like tobacco products and even recent talk of more taxes for foods that are bad for you like the soda taxes that are proposed. In my opinion those who are abusing these things are not going to stop abusing them just because we raise the taxes because those who are addicted to eating excessively and using tobacco are exactly that, addicted and if we crank up the cost, then these people will take money away from the care of their family to pay for their addictions. I can't tell you how often I see what appears to be poor people buying tobacco products while a baby wearing only a diaper is in their arms or still sitting in a running vehicle and not even in a car seat. This goes back to my normal commentary that everything the liberals do actually hurts the people they claim to be trying to help. Cap and trade will hurt every poor household trying to heat their homes in the winter, but they want to do it anyway. "It is 'sin' to pollute, so let's screw the poor people in the azz." And yet, these same poor vote for thes guy pushing these agendas at every election.......I just don't understand that.

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If "I" was the ringleader, why were you already banned from other fourms because of eddo before I ever met you? In truth my issue was never with you, it was with the lack of enforcing the rules on the forum just becasue they liked the way you kept sh!t stirred up. Then of course I was removed without ever breaking a rule. Even now there is a rule about no flaming on the main forum but it is not enforced. I admit, your an idiot, I think you sometimes have good thoughts but you ruin those rare moments with a constant stream of childish outbursts like "I'm not you". You called me defending myself from four men as murder but when you killed your own defenseless child, that was self defence........your crazy, but I don't believe it is necessarily all your fault. So I put you on ignore, I don't chase you around the forum like a dumbazz, I am trying to leave you alone, but at the same time you and eddo are constantly talking sh!t to me even thought you know I have you on ignore. You and eddo are now acting exactly alike, interesting how that happens ain't it? The same things eddo used to condemn you for is exactly what he is doing now, I think that is very funny. Why not just leave me alone like I am trying to do with you?

weez, or whoever you are, there is no way of me knowing who you are but I do know some members here have told me privately they see Ali and company becomming more and more agressive. It is easy to claim I did something wrong but each time I ask for an example, nobody seems to be able to actually produce one.......it is all unfounded claims, nothing more. As far as someone trying to get a group to get someone removed, that was eddo more than anything else, sure I joind in from my own point of view that playing the endless loop of "I'm not you" was too childish for serious discussions but at the end of the day I was just brought into the mafia myself, until I saw how eddo and Ali were ripping MrsK apart with personal attacks that were too ruthless and hurtful to ignore so I spoke against that kind of behavior, and have been the target ever sense. In truth I even said I can see how Wez's redicliously childish behaviors may have been prompted by him being subjected to this estrogen mafia himself but not having the maturity to understand/cope with it so it drove him to become the wacko he is now. I made a point to several people yesterday that has been met with mostly silence, Ali did not become who she is overnight. Many, many years ago she had her first exposure to being angry with someone online and being able to act like a bully to run them off. Many years later, and many victims later she has turned the internet gangbang into an artform, but she is not the only one to blame. It is the communities who have stayed silent, stood back and let her behave this way without comment who are just as much to blame for her excessively brutal behavior as she is. Ali is working from the idea her actions are liked and accepted because nobody dares to speak against what she does. That is why I and anyone else who stands up to her is such a threat to her, her perfect world where she dictates what people are allowed to say....And make no mistake, that is exactly what is happeneing. She feels my comments are bad, so I need to be attacked, punnished, silenced. My opinions are not acceptable to her, so that means they are not acceptable to anywhere she frequents. I keep comming back to the same point, if I was completely stupid and out of this world crazy with what I had to say then they would just ignore me, but their need to attack me at all costs proves they know I am right, and everyone knows the truth hurts. This is why I have wez and nor eddo on ignore, I feel their comments are unintelligent and uninformed while at the dsame time they only want to try and take shots at those they have issues with and completely ignore topics and instead derail things. I see no point in wasting my time with someone who is obviously not interested in reasonable discussion in any way.

I believe the massive swing of voters against the Republican party was directly due to the Republicans not following the will of the people so they were 'punnished'. Any Democrat could beat just about any Republican in any race at that point but on top of that, along came Obama with promises of a different Washington, a Washington that has people working together, erasing partisan lines and open, transparent Government and Whitehouse.........CHANGE.....HOPE. This message was so powerful it blew away the easy victory Hillary Clinton expected (as well as almost all of the established political circles) and gave Obama the Presidency even though he had absolutely no qualifications or management experience............because the people desperately wanted the "change" that was promised. Again the powers that be have decided to ignore the people, to do as they please instead of what they were elested to do. Obama has turned his back on all of his promises of change in favor of a purely partisan agenda. Less transparancy than the Bush administration, less access by the media and they are controlling what little access they allow with an iron fist. Ramming through legislation the people do not want. And the whole time pretending he is not doing any of this. Today a new Gallup poll shows that Republicans beat out Democrats 48 to 44 percent but the deciding factor is the independants who favor Republicans 52 to 30 percent. Recent elections in New Jersey and Virginia show that even with Obama behind these canidates, they lose. Why? Because in my opinion, outside of the strict political correct circles, the average person has figured out that Obama misrepresented himself and the Congress is completely corrupt filled with liberals who call them names if they do not agree with what their elected officials are doing. So, will the Republicans comming into power again continue to make the same mistakes as before or will they instead stick with the conservative values the people of America want? I am very upset at how poorly the Republicans behaved when they had power before, I for one hope they have learned their lesson. You reap what you sew and both sides of this are screwing up in my opinion.

You have "NEVER" gone against the gangbangs, not once, so stop trying to paint yourself as outside of the estrogen mafia, even when your not here for long streaches, you always seem to show up to when a big deal is happeneing so you can join in on the "fun"......coincidence? I think not. Take RO and Ali jumping on my back for not giving RO credit for commentary RO stole himself from Boortz. Every time a claim is made about me doing something 'wrong', it in fact is not what anyone has claimed. It is always a lie, you can't point out a single thing I have actually done wrong, it seems instead that your all just pissed off that I make you "feel" inferior, and that is not my fault. If you do not have good morals, that is your fault, not mine for describing what good moral values are. You ignore the message and shoot the messenger. The real point should be that you know I am right because otherwise all this smokescreen would not be needed to cover your actions. Ali says herself that all her followers cannot do anything wrong as long as they are attacking me. eddo attacked Tami again, as usual, do you feel that is "good" morals? You can never stand outside their actions and call what they do as wrong, consider this: Several people spoke to me in private and even posted as a "guest" when Ali and RO tried to say I was plagiarizing when it was RO who has been plagiarizing most of what he posts here. Why do you think people are too scared to post this in their own name or on the open forum instead of hiding from Ali and her estrogen Mafia?

I wrote this in the marine birthday thread but I will repost it here: I would like to extend a special thank you to all the veterans, we are a land of the free because of the few brave that defend our way of life. Your service is the definition of hero, at the time of enlistment a soldier writes a check to his Nation for an amount up to and including his life in the defense of America, there is no greater sacrifice than putting your life on the line for freedom.

[attach=full]2647[/attach] My son is a Marine, and I am very proud of him. I would like to extend a special thank you to all the veterans, we are a land of the free because of the few brave that defend our way of life. Your service is the definition of hero, at the time of enlistment a soldier writes a check to his Nation for an amount up to and including his life in the defense of America, there is no greater sacrifice than putting your life on the line for freedom.

Bull, you have jumped on the bandwagon every time one has appeared.....just like now. I have never seen you dissagree on an important issue or a gangbang in the couple years I have known you. Remember when all this started? eddo was actually friendly with me and I didn't even know Ali when I saw the two of them ripping into MrsK at the jungle. They both have hated me from that day foward without giving me a single chance for acceptance after that. To them I committed the ultimate sin, and until I do like MrsK did and bow down to them, they will never forgive me for that. Sure, you and other people can dissagree on small things, but do not dare to get in the way of one of their gangbangs, that is unforgivable.

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But it is a big deal when "I" say something that can be twisted into a perceived wrong, while actual wrong (like eddo attacking Tami) is ignored by you. A friend is not someone who blindly supports someone no matter what they do, in fact, the best of friends are those who tell you when your messing up. You don't want friends, you want followers.

They remain intact because they do not cross you, if they ever did you would explode on them too. They know better than to ever dissagree with you on anything you hold dear, you have been ripping people apart for many, many years Ali, I am nothing more than the flavor of the month, this same exact routine has been played by you with many, many people before me. Their reward for letting you dominate them is anything they say or do is blindly supported by you, that is why I call it the estrogen mafia, you offer protection, they pay with obedience.