Bible Prophecy & The Scientfic Method

[wez]

So if this is true, and our free will to change it is nil, what are your plans for the NWO? How will you avoid the "mark" to buy and sell? Or do you believe you will be taken during the rapture and get to avoid all the fun?

Know whats kinda funny.. I've pretty much avoided buying and selling my whole life as much as possible.. felt right for some reason. Always hated what money did to people. Never wanted to own anything except myself.

 

[ImWithStupid]

So if this is true, and our free will to change it is nil, what are your plans for the NWO? How will you avoid the "mark" to buy and sell? Or do you believe you will be taken during the rapture and get to avoid all the fun?

If all this is true, and was prophecised in the Bible through the work of prophets, who was given the plan, from ***, it would support the idea that everything is ***'s plan and perhaps, there's nothing we can do. We just have to wait and see.

 

[wez]

If all this is true, and was prophecised in the Bible through the work of prophets, who was given the plan, from ***, it would support the idea that everything is ***'s plan and perhaps, there's nothing we can do. We just have to wait and see.

So we have free will only to pass a pre-ordained test? I'm ready... Suffering is my middle name.

 

[ImWithStupid]

I'll rent you half... at a reasonable interest rate, of course..

Lets see... you do all of our survival work forever, and I wont kick you out of the tent.. Hahahahaha

The Rothschilds would be proud..

Deal. I'll bring a knife, hatchet, some guns and salt and pepper to properly season the local fauna...

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I guess I better bring my "Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator" also. My research shows that it seems to be a hot item on Mars.

 

[Phantom]

Yes, I believe the rapture will take place before the tribulation. Then those left during the tribulation can be saved by accepting Jesus and denying the mark.

 

[wez]

Yes, I believe the rapture will take place before the tribulation. Then those left during the tribulation can be saved by accepting Jesus and denying the mark.

So you think you will avoid the tribulation by accepting Jesus now? And what does that mean? Having lived by his words to that point?

 

[Phantom]

Well, the apostles asked Jesus point blank what they needed to do to be 'saved.' Remember they were Jews who were used to the rigor of the Old Testament Laws. However, instead of giving them a long string of commands, rites, rituals, and rules to follow, His only reply was to believe in the one who was sent. And that obviously was, Jesus Himself. So yes, it's the old saying of accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior. Accepting Him in your heart and proclaiming Him with your words. He also comes down to our level and works with us. We are not perfect overnight- or ever really- but it is a slow progression of the Holy Spirit making you a new creature.

We are told if we ask, we receive. It's as simple as asking. It's free.

 

[wez]

Well, the apostles asked Jesus point blank what they needed to do to be 'saved.' Remember they were Jews who were used to the rigor of the Old Testament Laws. However, instead of giving them a long string of commands, rites, rituals, and rules to follow, His only reply was to believe in the one who was sent. And that obviously was, Jesus Himself. So yes, it's the old saying of accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior. Accepting Him in your heart and proclaiming Him with your words. He also comes down to our level and works with us. We are not perfect overnight- or ever really- but it is a slow progression of the Holy Spirit making you a new creature.
We are told if we ask, we receive. It's as simple as asking. It's free.

I think of it more to be if we give, we receive.. we forgive, to be forgiven. We do unto others what we would have them do unto us. I think one must understand what Jesus taught to truly accept him into their heart and believe in him... And live by his example.

Matthew 6:9-15This, then, is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

 

[Phantom]

Absolutely. As you grow, you learn to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Jesus says come to Him as you are then He restores us. Grace is easy and free but it still takes a denial of the flesh.

 

[wez]

Matthew 18:21-35Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times." "Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him.Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt. The servant fell on his knees before him. 'Be patient with me,' he begged, 'and I will pay back everything.' The servant's master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go. "But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii. He grabbed him and began to choke him. 'Pay back what you owe me!' he demanded. "His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, 'Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.' "But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. When the other servants saw what had happened, they were greatly distressed and went and told their master everything that had happened. "Then the master called the servant in. 'You wicked servant,' he said, 'I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?' In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed. "This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart."

Seems those who judge, label and look down on others for what they, themselves are, might be in trouble, eh?

 

[ImWithStupid]

Seems those who judge, label and look down on others for what they, themselves are, might be in trouble, eh?

Only if they don't forgive, repent and accept before the end.

 

[Bigwhammy]

Hi I am a friend of the Phantom - that's my voice in the 2 videos. Just popping in to see how it's going. Some people seem to be confused about Gods knowledge of the future meaning their destiny is pre determined - hence they are not responsible for their decisions. Nothing could be further from the truth. *** can know the future without causing it because he lives in more dimensions than we do - outside of the confines of our time dimension.

Think of it like watching a parade at street level- you see each float - band etc - come by in linear order. However if you were to watch the parade from a helicopter you would see the entire parade and you would know how it ended. But that doesn't mean you forced it to end that way.

Hope that helps. Nice forum!

 

[Phantom]

OMG! You joined! Awesome! So glad to see you!!

 

[Bigwhammy]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zuYCM0g2kc]YouTube - Ezekiel 38 - The Gog Magog War[/ame]

This prophecy of Gog Magog is coming to pass as we speak it looks like. It's pretty exciting to live in a time period that is the most discussed period of time in the entire Bible , even more than when Jesus walked the earth.

 

[ImWithStupid]

This prophecy of Gog Magog is coming to pass as we speak it looks like. It's pretty exciting to live in a time period that is the most discussed period of time in the entire Bible , even more than when Jesus walked the earth.

http://Off Topic Forum.com/on-topic-bs/26339-bible-prophecy-and-the-scientfic-method.html#post68844

 

[Phantom]

This just in. Gog Magog/Ezekiel starting? Highly possible:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uflMj7cD3QY&feature=email]YouTube - Russia Gives Nato 21 Days To Leave Black Sea[/ame]

 

[timesjoke]

I just want to say I like your thread Phantom, lots of great information and your personal knowledge of the Bible is a welcome addition to any discussion of this type. Most seem to enjoy picking one verse from the Bible and using it out of context to try and twist things for their own purposes.

I have a question for you, when the Bible tells us that all people will know about *** yet we know for fact that many people even now are never exposed to a "Christian" religion, how do you balance this part of it's teachings?

I have always said *** made man, man made the many religions. Man has never done anything perfect so how can we expect there to be a "perfect" religion? A big question is with all these splinters of faith, who is right and if only one is right, are the rest condemned?

I would say no, in my own research I feel the common elements show a *** who is not concerned with the splintered possitions of man to attempt to worship 'him' but is instead concerned with what we hold in our hearts and our actions. We do not get a Johnnie L. Cochran to mitigate our actions with *** at our end.

 

[Bigwhammy]

I just want to say I like your thread Phantom, lots of great information and your personal knowledge of the Bible is a welcome addition to any discussion of this type. Most seem to enjoy picking one verse from the Bible and using it out of context to try and twist things for their own purposes.

I have a question for you, when the Bible tells us that all people will know about *** yet we know for fact that many people even now are never exposed to a "Christian" religion, how do you balance this part of it's teachings?

Here's my opinion on this one for what it's worth...

Matt. 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

I would contend that ALL nations have now been penetrated, and ALL language groups have been reached. With the mass media, internet, missionaries etc. This is the first time in history that this prophecy could possibly be fulfilled!

 

[timesjoke]

Here's my opinion on this one for what it's worth...
Matt. 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

I would contend that ALL nations have now been penetrated, and ALL language groups have been reached. With the mass media, internet, missionaries etc. This is the first time in history that this prophecy could possibly be fulfilled!

And yet there are still many people who never hear a 'Christian' faith preached. If we take this verse litteral, it says this gospel will be "preached" in the whole world, this is clearly not the case right now and if partial coverage is enough now, why not ten years ago or even 50 years ago, or even 500 years ago? Do you know how long we have had missionaries all over the world? Penetrations have been made long before there was even a thought of mass media.

Matthew 24:36-No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Matthew 24:43-But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.

If the end of days was measurable or predictable, why would we be told that we will be taken by surprise? That the time is not known to anyone but ***?

 

[Phantom]

Many good question, TJ! I will be back tonight to answer them. I explained it a bit before in this thread when Wez asked the same question about what happens to those who never hear. It's in this thread if you look. It is a good and even important question that certainly deserves an answer. Be back tonight.