Fighting teen pregnancy

[Ahhlee]

The question should not be what do we do with unwanted children but how do we help girls so they do not get pregnant with the children in the first place?

If girls weren't fed a constant deluge from the media that if they aren't sexy or acting out in sexual ways they are worthless, that might help.

Until parents start actually PARENTING their children and teaching them personal responsibility instead of relying on school and society to do it for them...we're fukked. Plain and simple.

 

[timesjoke]

If girls weren't fed a constant deluge from the media that if they aren't sexy or acting out in sexual ways they are worthless, that might help.

Well women/girls do it to themselves as well, women's magazines come to mind....and women's fashion stores. Men would find a woman attractive wrapped in just plain cloth, it is women who push each other to the extremes.

Young girls have been driven by the feminists more than anyone else to show their freedom by expressing their sexuality, even flaunting it to prove their equality.

Until parents start actually PARENTING their children and teaching them personal responsibility instead of relying on school and society to do it for them...we're fukked. Plain and simple.

I place a lot of that blame on the Government promoting broken homes. The average child does not have "parents" they have one parent and on the rare case where that one parent really cares, they are so overworked trying to do the job of two parents all alone they do not have the time or the energy to properly raise their children even if they want to.

This is why our schools are having to teach *** education because there is nobody at home to do these things anymore.

 

[Ahhlee]

Well women/girls do it to themselves as well, women's magazines come to mind....and women's fashion stores. Men would find a woman attractive wrapped in just plain cloth, it is women who push each other to the extremes.
Young girls have been driven by the feminists more than anyone else to show their freedom by expressing their sexuality, even flaunting it to prove their equality.

Men push, too, TJ. Let's not lay the blame squarely on women's shoulders. ***********...based on the objectification of women...is a man's industry.

But trying to place the majority of the blame on one gender only creates more division. It takes the union of two genders to create a life, so I think both men and women need to take stock in the fact that teen sexuality and unplanned pregnancies are a big problem. We need to work together to find ways to teach young girls...AND BOYS....how to cope with peer and societal pressures and to not engage in *** until they are prepared to deal with the unwanted consequences such an act might bring.

 

[snafu]

Men push, too, TJ. Let's not lay the blame squarely on women's shoulders. ***********...based on the objectification of women...is a man's industry.
But trying to place the majority of the blame on one gender only creates more division. It takes the union of two genders to create a life, so I think both men and women need to take stock in the fact that teen sexuality and unplanned pregnancies are a big problem. We need to work together to find ways to teach young girls...AND BOYS....how to cope with peer and societal pressures and to not engage in *** until they are prepared to deal with the unwanted consequences such an act might bring.

I gotta say I'm a hypocrite. My wife and I were talking to my son about some girls inquiring about him at work. I said "yeah you go boy, you where getting checked out!" Then my wife asked me what if it was my daughter they were talking about. I stumbled with my response saying uhhh.... I don't know. But I did know. I would want to know the names and addresses of each and every one checking her out! So I had a small talk with my son later saying " you will treat women with respect right? No your place and never resort to violence"(the atmosphere my daughter is in now). My son is a very good kid and so I think he will do the right thing but it did make me think.

 

[timesjoke]

Men push, too, TJ. Let's not lay the blame squarely on women's shoulders. ***********...based on the objectification of women...is a man's industry.

It used to me a men's industry but it is now bring more and more controlled by women both in production and in directing.

Women actors also make twice the income as the men do so I really do not see how **** is bad for women. Women have been "selling their goods" long before **** came along.

**** is not on every checkout line Ali, so it's impact is close to nothing in the formation of young girls development. But what the young girls are bombarded with is women's magazines in every checkout line all Women pressuring other women, men have little to do with the pressures of appearance and behaviors of women.

But trying to place the majority of the blame on one gender only creates more division. It takes the union of two genders to create a life, so I think both men and women need to take stock in the fact that teen sexuality and unplanned pregnancies are a big problem. We need to work together to find ways to teach young girls...AND BOYS....how to cope with peer and societal pressures and to not engage in *** until they are prepared to deal with the unwanted consequences such an act might bring.

I am sorry, I know you will blow up at me but the only thing that has changed is the attitudes of the girls.

I remember my great Grandmother telling my sister; "Why would a guy buy the cow if he is getting the milk for free?"

My Great Grandmother Ali.

Over 30 years ago women were teaching young girls to keep their legs closed because the boys will not respect them and will take for free whatever the girls give.

Today boys are exactly the same as they were back then.

It was the feminists who have driven sexual freedom without responsibility into young girls minds.

Girls get pregnant, it is their responsibility to control their own body. I am all for helping them help themselves, but there must be responsibility first and as long as even you Ali refuse to hold the girls responsible for their reproductive functions, that means your part of the problem too.

The girls see people like you making excuses for them too, and while your busy trying to blame men for all of women's problems, the girls are learning that they do not have to take responsibility.

Is it "FAIR"? No, but who ever promised anyone fairness in life?

 

[Ahhlee]

I gotta say I'm a hypocrite. My wife and I were talking to my son about some girls inquiring about him at work. I said "yeah you go boy, you where getting checked out!" Then my wife asked me what if it was my daughter they were talking about. I stumbled with my response saying uhhh.... I don't know. But I did know. I would want to know the names and addresses of each and every one checking her out! So I had a small talk with my son later saying " you will treat women with respect right? No your place and never resort to violence"(the atmosphere my daughter is in now). My son is a very good kid and so I think he will do the right thing but it did make me think.

It's such a double standard and it happens often. Men and women need to teach their kids about respecting the opposite *** by setting an example for them. Talking to kids is important, too!

It used to me a men's industry but it is now bring more and more controlled by women both in production and in directing.
Women actors also make twice the income as the men do so I really do not see how **** is bad for women. Women have been "selling their goods" long before **** came along.

**** is not on every checkout line Ali, so it's impact is close to nothing in the formation of young girls development. But what the young girls are bombarded with is women's magazines in every checkout line all Women pressuring other women, men have little to do with the pressures of appearance and behaviors of women.

Women are pressured by the media and other women to "sell" themselves in order to attract men. It's true! I realize this.

I'm saying that men are also guilty of the objectification of women, too! Are you honestly going to deny this??????? Seriously?????????

The world's problems don't lie solely on the shoulders of those "**** women's libbers". OMG. Open your eyes and get over that ridiculous concept!

I am sorry, I know you will blow up at me but the only thing that has changed is the attitudes of the girls.
I remember my great Grandmother telling my sister; "Why would a guy buy the cow if he is getting the milk for free?"

My Great Grandmother Ali.

Over 30 years ago women were teaching young girls to keep their legs closed because the boys will not respect them and will take for free whatever the girls give.

Today boys are exactly the same as they were back then.

It was the feminists who have driven sexual freedom without responsibility into young girls minds.

Girls get pregnant, it is their responsibility to control their own body. I am all for helping them help themselves, but there must be responsibility first and as long as even you Ali refuse to hold the girls responsible for their reproductive functions, that means your part of the problem too.

WHERE DID I SAY THAT??????????????????

What I AM saying is that the girls...AND BOYS....need to be taught personal responsibility? How in the *** are you glossing over that?

The girls see people like you making excuses for them too, and while your busy trying to blame men for all of women's problems, the girls are learning that they do not have to take responsibility.

You best be prepared to back that fukking piece of **** statement up, TJ. Now.

I do NOT appreciate you trying to label me as a man hater. Not one little bit.

Is it "FAIR"? No, but who ever promised anyone fairness in life?

Surely not you.

 

[snafu]

You both are right.

Ali is right in that men crave ***. We create the market and women thrive on it not only for money but that they crave *** too just not as much as men.

TJ is right in that women flaunt it. They promote *** by the way they dress that stimulates the mans drive for attracting them.They don't dress like that for any other reasn! They also emulate working women thinking they can get a man for a union which is the wrong thing to do.

My brother and I were talking about this the other day. When a lady dresses in a nice low cut, spaghetti string blouse with a short, up to the **** skirt, what is the guy to think? He's got hormones!! When its an ugly guy that says "hubba bubba" she gives him the stink eye. If he's a cute guy she gives him the lower come here look.

Have you ever seen the SNL skit with the guy in undrewear is hitting up a chick at work. The ugly guy gets busted for sexual harssment but the cute guy gets a date. Same thing.

Even an old cow like me will look! I'll feel like a dirty old man but I'm human!! Women have to realze that how they present themseves will be how they are treated.

 

[jokersarewild]

Ali is right though. Parents don't parent. We keep treating these initiatives as "Hey, let's try to get the kid not to . That'll learn 'em." What we SHOULD be doing is teaching the parents how to PARENT THEIR **** CHILDREN. Problem solved.

And Snaf, I feel your pain. I have enough problems as it is without having to worry about these **** prosti-tots running around. It should be illegal to dress like a ***-crazed ***** under 18

 

[timesjoke]

Women are pressured by the media and other women to "sell" themselves in order to attract men. It's true! I realize this.

The media is selling advertising, it is the women's products that pay for the advertising so again, women pressuring women, men have little to do with it.

I'm saying that men are also guilty of the objectification of women, too! Are you honestly going to deny this??????? Seriously?????????

Do I think men can change the way a woman things? Do we possess the power to control women? Are men smarter and capable of manipulating women without them being able to know what is happening to them?

No Ali, I have to say only women have the power to do these things. I have been manipulated into doing all sorts of things I never intended to do by women, but I have never been successful in using the same tactics on women.

I can easily say that is the realm of women, men are way too blunt and direct to control women in those ways.

The world's problems don't lie solely on the shoulders of those "**** women's libbers". OMG. Open your eyes and get over that ridiculous concept!

Right, tell me something Ali, how many men tell you what to do?

Exactly,

Women are the only group who can really manipulate other women. The feminists are the ones who made irresponsible sexual behaviors part of the women's movement, not men.

Remember my Great Grandmother Ali, she said "Why would a guy buy the cow if he is getting the milk for free?"

WHERE DID I SAY THAT??????????????????

What I AM saying is that the girls...AND BOYS....need to be taught personal responsibility? How in the *** are you glossing over that?

Your trying to downplay the fact that only girls control their reproductive systems. As we are pointing out in another discussion, about 30% of men are paying support for children they did not father. We only know for sure who the mother is.

Your expressing the same tactics to divert attention away from women and girls on any atempt to show they should be responsible for their own reproductive system.

You best be prepared to back that fukking piece of **** statement up, TJ. Now.

I do NOT appreciate you trying to label me as a man hater. Not one little bit.

Man hater?

I never said you were a man hater. I said you are stuck on making excuses in trying to blame men when it is the girls/women who control the situation. Leaving out rape, women have 100% of the control. Men always want the ***, have always wanted the ***, it is the side effect of testosterone in our bodies, we have very little control over this reaction and once the chemical process is started, it is difficult to think past that point.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqgsD-IhFtw]YouTube - Mark Gungor - Men's *** Drive[/ame]

While your at it watch this one:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BxckAMaTDc]YouTube - Mark Gungor - Men's Brain Women's Brain[/ame]

Surely not you.

It is not my fault Ali, I didn't make this world or control the way it has developed.

All I know for sure is I have had my own pile of "unfair" on my back and nobody helped me, I had to take care of myself. Fair is a myth, a mirage in the distance designed to tease, and raise your hopes, but to never really exist.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

The problem with the average man-hater is that their hate is often well justified.

 

[timesjoke]

The problem with the average man-hater is that their hate is often well justified.

I'm sorry but I don't buy that.

Hate is inside yourself, why allow external issues/conditions/events to create hate inside yourself? I am always surprised at the capacity for hate in some people, but that capacity is them, not anyone else.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

I'm sorry but I don't buy that.
Hate is inside yourself, why allow external issues/conditions/events to create hate inside yourself? I am always surprised at the capacity for hate in some people, but that capacity is them, not anyone else.

I hate you.

 

[timesjoke]

I hate you.

You are what you hate and that is why you hate it.

 

[wez]

You are what you hate and that is why you hate it.

hahaha.. As he quotes the guy whom he will forever keep on ignore because he's oil and I'm water..

Quit quoting me without giving me credit.. dumbass..

And it's.. What you hate is what you are and that is why you hate it ~ wez

Quit using please explain too..

What's next? I'm not you? hahahaha

 

[Ahhlee]

It used to me a men's industry but it is now bring more and more controlled by women both in production and in directing.
Women actors also make twice the income as the men do so I really do not see how **** is bad for women. Women have been "selling their goods" long before **** came along.

So **** is completely harmless and not used by some men to objectify women at all? Whew! What a relief! I guess that means if your daughter decides to star in the new production of "Sh!tty Titty Gang Bang" the day she turns 18, you'll be one proud papa, huh? I'm sure you would, since she'd be making twice the income of one of her well hung male co-stars.

Girls get pregnant, it is their responsibility to control their own body. I am all for helping them help themselves, but there must be responsibility first and as long as even you Ali refuse to hold the girls responsible for their reproductive functions, that means your part of the problem too.

I asked you a simple question. WHERE did I ever say that girls should be absolved of their responsibilities???????

Your answer:

Your trying to downplay the fact that only girls control their reproductive systems. As we are pointing out in another discussion, about 30% of men are paying support for children they did not father. We only know for sure who the mother is.
Your expressing the same tactics to divert attention away from women and girls on any atempt to show they should be responsible for their own reproductive system

Who is diverting who with a bunch of BS that doesn't even pertain to the discussion? I will ask you again.....WHERE or WHEN did I ever say that girls should be absolved of their responsibilities???????

The girls see people like you making excuses for them too, and while your busy trying to blame men for all of women's problems, the girls are learning that they do not have to take responsibility.

WHERE did I say that men are the crux of all evil???? I have never said that and again, I don't appreciate you trying to pin opinions on me that aren't even my own. You're trying to shove me into a corner and paint me as a foaming at the mouth man-hating extreme feminist when I am no such thing!

The point I have been trying to make through this entire fukking thread, if you would take a moment to pull your head out of your *** long enough to notice, is that we should be teaching BOTH GIRLS AND BOYS about taking responsibility when it comes to ***! You seem to be the only one unwilling to comprehend that.

Man hater?
I never said you were a man hater. I said you are stuck on making excuses in trying to blame men when it is the girls/women who control the situation. Leaving out rape, women have 100% of the control. Men always want the ***, have always wanted the ***, it is the side effect of testosterone in our bodies, we have very little control over this reaction and once the chemical process is started, it is difficult to think past that point.

WHO IS MAKING EXCUSES?????????? Oh, poor boys. They can't control their hormonally charged d!cks so of course it's ok for them to stick them wherever they want to! After all, boys will be boys! It's those **** girls who need to ignore their own raging hormones and keep those boys suffering from lack of self-control away. Evil, evil girls! A pox upon thee!

Remember my Great Grandmother Ali, she said "Why would a guy buy the cow if he is getting the milk for free?"

How much did you pay for your cow? Did you get a good deal?

 

[timesjoke]

So **** is completely harmless and not used by some men to objectify women at all? Whew! What a relief! I guess that means if your daughter decides to star in the new production of "Sh!tty Titty Gang Bang" the day she turns 18, you'll be one proud papa, huh? I'm sure you would, since she'd be making twice the income of one of her well hung male co-stars.

"IF" she did make that decision it would be because she made it herself, women are not brainless robots who just do whatever these **** producers tell them to do. You always make women sound like victims but didn't these women choose this life and career?

I see sexuality for those reasons as immoral to be sure, but a woman who marries without love just because the man is well off is the same exact same thing in my mind.

I asked you a simple question. WHERE did I ever say that girls should be absolved of their responsibilities???????

Who is diverting who with a bunch of BS that doesn't even pertain to the discussion? I will ask you again.....WHERE or WHEN did I ever say that girls should be absolved of their responsibilities???????

I already completely explained it, you do it through misdirection and changing the subject away from putting the blame where it belongs. You start in with blaming men and boys but never directly say it is the woman's responsibility for getting pregnant.

WHERE did I say that men are the crux of all evil???? I have never said that and again, I don't appreciate you trying to pin opinions on me that aren't even my own. You're trying to shove me into a corner and paint me as a foaming at the mouth man-hating extreme feminist when I am no such thing!

The point I have been trying to make through this entire fukking thread, if you would take a moment to pull your head out of your *** long enough to notice, is that we should be teaching BOTH GIRLS AND BOYS about taking responsibility when it comes to ***! You seem to be the only one unwilling to comprehend that.

I never said you cast that accusation of men being the crux of all evil Ali, why you feel the need to insert things I never said I have no idea.

What I said is your fast with the excuses. You say it is both the men and women's fault the woman cannot control her own reproductive system. That system belongs to the woman, the same woman controls every aspect of ***. The same woman controlls the abortion process. The same woman knows if she is on the pill or not.

But you want to blame the men?

WHO IS MAKING EXCUSES?????????? Oh, poor boys. They can't control their hormonally charged d!cks so of course it's ok for them to stick them wherever they want to! After all, boys will be boys! It's those **** girls who need to ignore their own raging hormones and keep those boys suffering from lack of self-control away. Evil, evil girls! A pox upon thee!

Women do not have the same kind of hormonal drive men do.

Men have always had this same drive but it is only in this modern time girls/women are getting pregnant outside of marriage in such large numbers so you tell me what has changed?

Today we even have easy to use protection but this modern tool of protection against unwanted pregnancies is not used......why do you believe girls who are sexually active do not use protection when they know "they" must carry the burdon should an unwanted pregnancy happen?

How much did you pay for your cow? Did you get a good deal?

lol, actually the cow purchased me in many ways, but that is a long story

I notice as usual you never address the meaning behind points and questions but instead you look for ways to divert attention away from the valid point you feel too insecure to respond to Ali.

Why are girls now tossing it out of both pants legs Ali?

That is a change, maybe you feel that change is okay, I don't know because you never address this issue, all you ever do is try to blame men for what women do.

I go back to my earlier question/point that you have dodged Ali:

What man tells you what to do?

Your reproductive system, not the man's. You proclaim that when it comes to killing a baby, the man has no right to tell a woman what to do with her reproductive system.....fine, so why are you now trying to say men have any say in the creation either?

No glove, no love........

Women are 100% in control, they have all the power, the man has none.

 

[Ahhlee]

"IF" she did make that decision it would be because she made it herself, women are not brainless robots who just do whatever these **** producers tell them to do. You always make women sound like victims but didn't these women choose this life and career?
I see sexuality for those reasons as immoral to be sure, but a woman who marries without love just because the man is well off is the same exact same thing in my mind.

But you still view those women as immoral. Immoral = bad.

I already completely explained it, you do it through misdirection and changing the subject away from putting the blame where it belongs. You start in with blaming men and boys but never directly say it is the woman's responsibility for getting pregnant.

Absolutely 100% false. I said no such thing. At no point have I ever said that women should be absolved of their responsibilities in an unplanned pregnancy

I never said you cast that accusation of men being the crux of all evil Ali, why you feel the need to insert things I never said I have no idea.

Semantics, TJ. Semantics.

What I said is your fast with the excuses. You say it is both the men and women's fault the woman cannot control her own reproductive system. That system belongs to the woman, the same woman controls every aspect of ***. The same woman controlls the abortion process. The same woman knows if she is on the pill or not.

Women are not asexual creatures.

But you want to blame the men?

No, I don't want to blame the men. I'm placing the blame on irresponsible PEOPLE.

Women do not have the same kind of hormonal drive men do.

BULLSH!T!!!! Both men and women have varying degrees of sexual appetites within their genders. There are women out there with very high *** drives, TJ. Trust me...I know!

Men have always had this same drive but it is only in this modern time girls/women are getting pregnant outside of marriage in such large numbers so you tell me what has changed?

The fact that we have developed into such a "throw away" society. People don't feel the pressure to remain in long term relationships anymore so that leaves us with a lot more single mothers out there having babies.

Do I think that's a good thing? No.

Today we even have easy to use protection but this modern tool of protection against unwanted pregnancies is not used......why do you believe girls who are sexually active do not use protection when they know "they" must carry the burdon should an unwanted pregnancy happen?

Today's kids are used to getting everything they want...fast.

One example: When we were young, we had to wait until Christmas to watch such show like "Rudolph" and "Frosty the Snowman". Now kids just click a button on the computer or dvd player and whatever they want to watch is there. They have no concept of having to wait for anything anymore because pleasures and luxuries are handed to them so freely.

Why should they feel any different about ***? Especially when it's glorified in the media that they are exposed to every day?

Kids don't understand the significance of long term consequences for their actions because parents aren't instilling these values into them. It all boils down to good and responsible parenting.

lol, actually the cow purchased me in many ways, but that is a long story
I notice as usual you never address the meaning behind points and questions but instead you look for ways to divert attention away from the valid point you feel too insecure to respond to Ali.

Huh? Insecure about what?

Why are girls now tossing it out of both pants legs Ali?

My guess is a lot of them come from broken homes where the single parent is working long hours to provide for their family so they feel neglected. Girls are looking for love...in all the wrong places...but ultimately they're trying to find love and acceptance through ***.

Premarital *** isn't a new concept. Back in the day, if it happened the man was obligated to step up and marry the girl he knocked up. Now boys don't feel that pressure so they remain free to impregnate another girl...and another...and another...

I really think kids today are emulating what they see on tv and in the movies. *** sells! *** is cool! Consequences be damned!

That is a change, maybe you feel that change is okay, I don't know because you never address this issue, all you ever do is try to blame men for what women do.

No, I don't think things are ok and that is why I have repeatedly said that something must be done to teach BOTH GIRLS AND BOYS how to take responsibility for themselves!

If you tell me one more time that "all I ever do is try to blame men for what women do", you are going to **** me off and things are going to get really ugly around here. This is my final warning: STOP!!!!

I go back to my earlier question/point that you have dodged Ali:
What man tells you what to do?

None, but I'm not a teenager. Isn't that what we're debating here? Teenage pregnancy?

Your reproductive system, not the man's. You proclaim that when it comes to killing a baby, the man has no right to tell a woman what to do with her reproductive system.....fine, so why are you now trying to say men have any say in the creation either?

HUH? I'd prefer to see men and women working together for the sake of children...planned or not. And again, women are not asexual beings.

Again, you're pinning opinions on me that are not mine.

No glove, no love........

Agreed!

Women are 100% in control, they have all the power, the man has none.

Nothing is 100% except abstinence. When two parties are involved in ***, the split of responsibility becomes 50/50.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

*** is a woman.

 

[timesjoke]

But you still view those women as immoral. Immoral = bad.

*** for money is immoral, do you not agree?

Absolutely 100% false. I said no such thing. At no point have I ever said that women should be absolved of their responsibilities in an unplanned pregnancy

No, you try to make it sound like there is an equal responsible for both men and women to control the woman's reproductive system. You have never said it is 100% the woman's body and as such, 100% her responsibility to control it.

Your always trying to make women and girls sound like helpless puppets of men, like your claim **** is men taking advantage of women, well can't women be taking advantage of men to get their money as well? It is more along the lines of both taking advantage in one way or another.

Semantics, TJ. Semantics.

No, not really, your trying to make my point about you offering nothing but excuses to mean something else. I said what I meant, you offer misdirection away from blame on women who do not control their own reproductive system.

Women are not asexual creatures.

Never said they were Ali.

A woman's drive is 100% mental, a man's drive is some mental and heavy chemical. Two completely different things. That is why a man who can be angry at his wife will still feel sexual interest in her but with women their *** drive is the first thing to dissapear when they are unhappy with their man.

No, I don't want to blame the men. I'm placing the blame on irresponsible PEOPLE.

People do not control your reproductive system Ali, you do. Women are in control of their reproductive system, not men.

BULLSH!T!!!! Both men and women have varying degrees of sexual appetites within their genders. There are women out there with very high *** drives, TJ. Trust me...I know!

Again, that is mental, not chemical.

Women do not have anything close to a man's testosterone reaction. Did you watch the movie I posted? Same head, same heart, same person but low testosterone and a man has no interest in *** at all. Testosterone therapy and suddenly the man is wanting *** again.

The fact that we have developed into such a "throw away" society. People don't feel the pressure to remain in long term relationships anymore so that leaves us with a lot more single mothers out there having babies.

Do I think that's a good thing? No.

Again, one has nothing to do with the other. Yes, in days gone by women needed men to take care of them, especially during pregnancy but today they no longer need the man, they have the court system to get child support so survival through a long term relationship is no longer necessary.

Sexuality leading to unwanted babies should not be a problem, simply use protection and have all the *** you want. My question to you was why no protection?

Today's kids are used to getting everything they want...fast.

One example: When we were young, we had to wait until Christmas to watch such show like "Rudolph" and "Frosty the Snowman". Now kids just click a button on the computer or dvd player and whatever they want to watch is there. They have no concept of having to wait for anything anymore because pleasures and luxuries are handed to them so freely.

Why should they feel any different about ***? Especially when it's glorified in the media that they are exposed to every day?

But all that is fine but having *** and getting pregnant is two different things. You can't tell me that a 15 year old girl does not know how babies are made and how to avoid getting pregnant.

Kids don't understand the significance of long term consequences for their actions because parents aren't instilling these values into them. It all boils down to good and responsible parenting.

Well like I said above, I cannot believe the kids do not know how babies are made or how to avoid making them. Most kids in broken homes are living with their mother so why are women not teaching their girls to use protection as a matter of responsibility?

Huh? Insecure about what?

Okay, the long version:

Many people say that Obama has a bigger pressure on him as a Black man because if he fails, he will paint all blacks with his failures where white guys do not have to face that same standard.

I believe you feel the same way about issues that effect women. You feel a need to defend women in all things and make excuses or at least try to "dirty up the water" on the discussions.

My guess is a lot of them come from broken homes where the single parent is working long hours to provide for their family so they feel neglected. Girls are looking for love...in all the wrong places...but ultimately they're trying to find love and acceptance through ***.

Fine, I accept that as a given, but it is easy to have a very energetic *** life and not make a baby. This is my point.

Premarital *** isn't a new concept. Back in the day, if it happened the man was obligated to step up and marry the girl he knocked up. Now boys don't feel that pressure so they remain free to impregnate another girl...and another...and another...

lol, there you go again blaming men for what women do. All the boys are just runnign around bedding poor innocent girls and the girls cannot say no right?

Your right, premarital *** did happen, but the women were very careful to not get pregnant without a father and husband. These days having a father and husband are no longer important to the women.

Have you ever heard of "nesting"? Women used to set up an environment for raising their children. It included a home, and even a "hope chest". Both of my sisters had a hope chest. Both have husbands and life long parenting success.

I am no female, but I believe losing that 'goal' has done a lot of damage to women in general.

I really think kids today are emulating what they see on tv and in the movies. *** sells! *** is cool! Consequences be damned!

Again, *** is cool, but there must be a reason some girls do not use any protection.

No, I don't think things are ok and that is why I have repeatedly said that something must be done to teach BOTH GIRLS AND BOYS how to take responsibility for themselves!

If you tell me one more time that "all I ever do is try to blame men for what women do", you are going to **** me off and things are going to get really ugly around here. This is my final warning: STOP!!!!

Ali, leave the threats out of it, you cannot bully me, I can care less if your angry, your anger shows that your the one with the problem, not me.

Again you make referance to teaching both girls and boys about controlling a girls reproductive system, why do you put girls in such a out of control assumption over their own bodies Ali? Less educated girls from 100 years ago could do it, but your saying better educated girls are now incapable of controlling their reproductive system?

None, but I'm not a teenager. Isn't that what we're debating here? Teenage pregnancy?

True, and again, when you were a teenager were you a brainless robot doing anything a boy told you to do even not using birth control because a boy told you not to?

HUH? I'd prefer to see men and women working together for the sake of children...planned or not. And again, women are not asexual beings.

Again, you're pinning opinions on me that are not mine.

No that is the other way around. I never said women were asexual, just that they do not have a *** hormone, men do. Women's *** drive is 100% mental.

Agreed!

Great, you agree the rule "no glove, no love" is a good one, so why can't girls use the pill or this rule to keep from getting pregnant? Girls are better educated these days right? You can't place the blame on ignorance.

Nothing is 100% except abstinence. When two parties are involved in ***, the split of responsibility becomes 50/50.

Women have 100% of the control. Men do not control a woman's reproductive system. A woman can keep her use of protection from a man, or even lie to a man and tell him she is using protection when she is not.

I was not saying contol measures were 100%, just that the woman had 100% of the decision making in her hands to use, or not use the protection in question. Or to even have *** in the first place.

 

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lol, there you go again blaming men for what women do.

ENOUGH!

If you are incapable of having a debate with me without being an obtuse moron stuck on some ridiculous bullsh!t that I have never said, then there is no need for me to continue here.

I don't mind someone disputing my points...in fact, I relish a spirited discussion....but to repeatedly claim I'm doing/saying something that I'm not is absolute ****!

Ali, leave the threats out of it, you cannot bully me

Who threatened who in PM's that you could "break me" with all the personal things you know about me? Hmmmm? Who's the bully now?

I can care less if your angry, your anger shows that your the one with the problem, not me

You want angry? Here's a little taste of angry for ya....

FUKK YOU, TJ!

FUKKKKKKK YOUUUUUUU!