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"jim bronson" <then@came.nbc> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:48:47 -0800, Don Homuth
> <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> mumbled:
>
>>On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:42:45 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
>><Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"jim bronson" <then@came.nbc> wrote in message
>>>news
cjdl3h0t9gsjogt9c3r2nrkad2ap4as36@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:03:14 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
>>>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>>>>
>>>>>The "Salman Pak was training Al Qaeda terrorists" claim is a
>>>>>JOKE!
>>>>
>>>> So that fuselage must be a "joke" too, eh?
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't deny there was a facility at Salman Pak.
>>>If you want to train terrorists you train them to hijack planes and NOT
>>>how
>>>to get into grounded planes! for that you only need the INSIDE of a
>>>plane.
>>>You use planes on the ground to train COUNTER TERRORISTS!
>>
>>We have fuselages of old airplanes in training camps in CONUS as well.
>
> You are a ****ING TRAITOR!
tHATS COUNTER ARGUEMTN IS IT? WHEN YOU ARE LOSING THE ARGUEMT do you always
attack the person making it?
Don't like the message so shoot the messenger is it?
>
>>>The Salman Pak claims had been soundly debunked....
>>
>>But the early discussions
>
> The facts:
>
> http://cdonohoe.townhall.com/
>
> April 7, 2003, 12:48AM
>
> Marines find site of terror training
>
> U.S. forces earlier had captured Syrians, Egyptians and Sudanese who
> said they had trained in the Salman Pak camp southeast of Baghdad.
> Brig.-Gen. Vincent Brooks said Marines raided the empty complex using
> information obtained from captured foreign fighters. It "reinforces
> the likelihood of links between this regime and external terrorist
> organizations,"
>
>
> Richard O. Spertzel member of the Iraq Survey Group
Yup. OPINION! Not evidence.
>
> "HAVE WAR CRITICS EVEN READ THE DUELFER REPORT?"
>
> "It is asserted that Iraq was not supporting terrorists. Really?
> Documentation indicates that Iraq was training non-Iraqis at Salman
> Pak in terrorist techniques, including assassination and suicide
> bombing. In addition to Iraqis, trainees included Palestinians,
> Yemenis, Saudis, Lebanese, Egyptians and Sudanese."
What doccuments assert this?
>
> CIA Director George Tenet
>
> CIA Director George Tenet told the Senate Intelligence Committee:
> "Iraq has in the past provided training in document-forgery and
> bomb-making to al Qaeda. It also provided training in poisons and
> gasses to two al Qaeda associates; one of these [al Qaeda] associates
> characterized the relationship as successful. . . . This information
> is based on a solid foundation of intelligence. It comes to us from
> credible and reliable sources. Much of it is corroborated by multiple
> sources."
No it isnt and it doesnt George! Stop trying to cloud the issue. What
dredible and reliable sources george?
You do of course know that George later eat his words?
>
> Docex Project- millions of captured documents that had sat deep within
> a warehouse. These documents have shed light on links between Saddam
> and Al Qaeda. They were originally headquartered in Doha, Qatar.
> Released by John Negroponte for volunteers to translate.
And you cant read them!
[snip]
>
>
> http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/carson200406020845.asp
>
> Then-deputy UNSCOM chief Charles Duelfer, who now heads the Iraq
> Survey Group searching the country for WMDs, personally visited the
> terrorism camp around 1995 and saw the Boeing. "He saw the 707, in
> exactly the place described by the defectors," the liberal-leaning
> London Observer reported. "The Iraqis, he said, told UNSCOM it was
> used by 'police' for counter-terrorist training." "Of course we
> automatically took out the word 'counter'," Duelfer explained. "I'm
> surprised that people seem to be shocked that there should be terror
> camps in Iraq. Like, derrrrrr! I mean, what, actually, do you expect?"
Well like derr! I expect terrorists to be INSIDE a plane not outside trying
to take the terrorists out!
Like DUH! like I expect terrorsits to train in taking over the inside of the
plane and for that they need a cabin mock up. They dont need a fusilage from
the outside! Like derrr where EVER have you heard of terrorists actually
taking over a plane on the ground?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/
November 2005: More than two years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq,
there has been no verification of the general's account of the activities at
Salman Pak. In fact, U.S. officials have now concluded that Salman Pak was
most likely used to train Iraqi counter-terrorism units in anti-hijacking
techniques. It should also be noted that the general and other defectors
interviewed for this report were brought to FRONTLINE's attention by the
Iraqi National Congress (INC), a dissident organization that was working to
overthrow Saddam Hussein. This interview was conducted by FRONTLINE and The
New York Times in Beirut. The Lt. Gen. was later identified in other stories
as Abu Zeinab al-Qurairy, a former high-ranking officer in the Mukhabarat,
the Iraqi intelligence service. Abu Zeinab reportedly now lives in Baghdad;
he claims not to have left Iraq before the fall of Saddam Hussein and that
the story of Salman Pak was a hoax.
Classic counter int. counter play by INI against Saddam?
http://www.cpinternet.com/dwagner2/scum/scum78.htm
Unfortunately, the story was an elaborate scam. The purported general had
indeed met with American intelligence agents in Turkey, but unbeknownst to
Hedges the agents had dismissed his claims out of hand. What the reporters
also didn't know, and what has never before been reported, is that it now
appears that the man himself was a fake. According to an ex-INC official,
the Ghurairy who met with the Times and PBS was actually a former Iraqi
sergeant, then living in Turkey and known by the code name Abu Zainab. The
real Lt. General Ghurairy, it seems, had never left Iraq.
[snip]
news:852el3t0c7c830kgtq0dqlhm0vrfonj03r@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:48:47 -0800, Don Homuth
> <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> mumbled:
>
>>On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:42:45 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
>><Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"jim bronson" <then@came.nbc> wrote in message
>>>news
cjdl3h0t9gsjogt9c3r2nrkad2ap4as36@4ax.com...>>>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:03:14 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
>>>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>>>>
>>>>>The "Salman Pak was training Al Qaeda terrorists" claim is a
>>>>>JOKE!
>>>>
>>>> So that fuselage must be a "joke" too, eh?
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't deny there was a facility at Salman Pak.
>>>If you want to train terrorists you train them to hijack planes and NOT
>>>how
>>>to get into grounded planes! for that you only need the INSIDE of a
>>>plane.
>>>You use planes on the ground to train COUNTER TERRORISTS!
>>
>>We have fuselages of old airplanes in training camps in CONUS as well.
>
> You are a ****ING TRAITOR!
tHATS COUNTER ARGUEMTN IS IT? WHEN YOU ARE LOSING THE ARGUEMT do you always
attack the person making it?
Don't like the message so shoot the messenger is it?
>
>>>The Salman Pak claims had been soundly debunked....
>>
>>But the early discussions
>
> The facts:
>
> http://cdonohoe.townhall.com/
>
> April 7, 2003, 12:48AM
>
> Marines find site of terror training
>
> U.S. forces earlier had captured Syrians, Egyptians and Sudanese who
> said they had trained in the Salman Pak camp southeast of Baghdad.
> Brig.-Gen. Vincent Brooks said Marines raided the empty complex using
> information obtained from captured foreign fighters. It "reinforces
> the likelihood of links between this regime and external terrorist
> organizations,"
>
>
> Richard O. Spertzel member of the Iraq Survey Group
Yup. OPINION! Not evidence.
>
> "HAVE WAR CRITICS EVEN READ THE DUELFER REPORT?"
>
> "It is asserted that Iraq was not supporting terrorists. Really?
> Documentation indicates that Iraq was training non-Iraqis at Salman
> Pak in terrorist techniques, including assassination and suicide
> bombing. In addition to Iraqis, trainees included Palestinians,
> Yemenis, Saudis, Lebanese, Egyptians and Sudanese."
What doccuments assert this?
>
> CIA Director George Tenet
>
> CIA Director George Tenet told the Senate Intelligence Committee:
> "Iraq has in the past provided training in document-forgery and
> bomb-making to al Qaeda. It also provided training in poisons and
> gasses to two al Qaeda associates; one of these [al Qaeda] associates
> characterized the relationship as successful. . . . This information
> is based on a solid foundation of intelligence. It comes to us from
> credible and reliable sources. Much of it is corroborated by multiple
> sources."
No it isnt and it doesnt George! Stop trying to cloud the issue. What
dredible and reliable sources george?
You do of course know that George later eat his words?
>
> Docex Project- millions of captured documents that had sat deep within
> a warehouse. These documents have shed light on links between Saddam
> and Al Qaeda. They were originally headquartered in Doha, Qatar.
> Released by John Negroponte for volunteers to translate.
And you cant read them!
[snip]
>
>
> http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/carson200406020845.asp
>
> Then-deputy UNSCOM chief Charles Duelfer, who now heads the Iraq
> Survey Group searching the country for WMDs, personally visited the
> terrorism camp around 1995 and saw the Boeing. "He saw the 707, in
> exactly the place described by the defectors," the liberal-leaning
> London Observer reported. "The Iraqis, he said, told UNSCOM it was
> used by 'police' for counter-terrorist training." "Of course we
> automatically took out the word 'counter'," Duelfer explained. "I'm
> surprised that people seem to be shocked that there should be terror
> camps in Iraq. Like, derrrrrr! I mean, what, actually, do you expect?"
Well like derr! I expect terrorists to be INSIDE a plane not outside trying
to take the terrorists out!
Like DUH! like I expect terrorsits to train in taking over the inside of the
plane and for that they need a cabin mock up. They dont need a fusilage from
the outside! Like derrr where EVER have you heard of terrorists actually
taking over a plane on the ground?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/
November 2005: More than two years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq,
there has been no verification of the general's account of the activities at
Salman Pak. In fact, U.S. officials have now concluded that Salman Pak was
most likely used to train Iraqi counter-terrorism units in anti-hijacking
techniques. It should also be noted that the general and other defectors
interviewed for this report were brought to FRONTLINE's attention by the
Iraqi National Congress (INC), a dissident organization that was working to
overthrow Saddam Hussein. This interview was conducted by FRONTLINE and The
New York Times in Beirut. The Lt. Gen. was later identified in other stories
as Abu Zeinab al-Qurairy, a former high-ranking officer in the Mukhabarat,
the Iraqi intelligence service. Abu Zeinab reportedly now lives in Baghdad;
he claims not to have left Iraq before the fall of Saddam Hussein and that
the story of Salman Pak was a hoax.
Classic counter int. counter play by INI against Saddam?
http://www.cpinternet.com/dwagner2/scum/scum78.htm
Unfortunately, the story was an elaborate scam. The purported general had
indeed met with American intelligence agents in Turkey, but unbeknownst to
Hedges the agents had dismissed his claims out of hand. What the reporters
also didn't know, and what has never before been reported, is that it now
appears that the man himself was a fake. According to an ex-INC official,
the Ghurairy who met with the Times and PBS was actually a former Iraqi
sergeant, then living in Turkey and known by the code name Abu Zainab. The
real Lt. General Ghurairy, it seems, had never left Iraq.
[snip]