Holocaust Denial, American Style 29 Nov 2007

[Mavisbeacon]

"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:10 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>No evidence of WMD means NO WMD!
>
>
> BULLSHIT LIAR!!!!

Oh you have evidence of Unicorns and fire breathing dragons now do you? So
what is the difference between "NO evidence for dragons" and just "no
dragons"

>
> http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php
>
> A senior Syrian journalist reports Iraq WMD located in three Syrian
> sites
> 06 January, 2004
>
> AFP
>
> Nizar Nayuf (Nayyouf-Nayyuf), a Syrian journalist who recently
> defected from Syria to Western Europe and is known for bravely
> challenging the Syrian regime, said in a letter Monday, January 5, to
> Dutch newspaper ?De Telegraaf,? that he knows the three sites where
> Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) are kept. The storage places
> are:
>

This is funny. LOL! Before the invasion the Us stated that they KNEW where
the WMD were and they would show them to us any minute now! Five years later
when they haven't found any they now claim that they "disappeared" from the
places they KNEW where they were and travelled nearly a thousand miles
across Iraq through a no fly zone and outwitting and avoiding the entire US
occupying Army to Syria!

Wow! with covert operations like that Saddam wouldn't even need WMD! All he
needed was for the same "smugglers" to go all over Iraq attackin gthe odd US
convoy and disappearing like they did in crossing Iraq without ever being
detected. It is a bit like the kid who has the dragon in the garage

The other kid says "show me the dragon" but he is invisible.
"okay then my dad works for a security company nad has special glasses" -
but the dragon is impervious to infra red and UV

" I know what - talcum poiwder on the floor" - but the dragon hovers!

"Okay then paint - throw it over him" - but it is an incorporeal dragon!

No matter what you do you cant measure any presence of a dragon! Whats the
difference between no evidence and no dragon?
>
>
> click for images of Iraq's WMD location in Syria

A bit like "we KNOW about WMD in Iraq. we wil shou you any minute now!"

Who was it who said "Fool me one shame on me! Fool me twice [long
pause]...Eh ...Eh Well the fooled guy won't get fooled again!"
LOL

>
> -1- Tunnels dug under the town of al-Baida near the city of Hama in
> northern Syria. These tunnels are an integral part of an underground
> factory, built by the North Koreans, for producing Syrian Scud
> missiles. Iraqi chemical weapons and long-range missiles are stored in
> these tunnels.

With yellow cake, dragons, lepreachauns, pixies , unicorns, Elvis and the
tooth fairy?

SAnta is NOT there. he is out delivering fake intel reports! LOL!

>
> -2- The village of Tal Snan, north of the town of Salamija, where
> there is a big Syrian air force camp. Vital parts of Iraq's WMD are
> stored there.

This guy isn't called "Son of curveball" is he? LOL!


>
> -3-. The city of Sjinsjar on the Syrian border with the Lebanon, south
> of Homs city.


>
> Nayouf writes that the transfer of Iraqi WMD to Syria was organized by
> the commanders of Saddam Hussein's Special Republican Guard, including
> General Shalish, with the help of Assif Shoakat , Bashar Assad's
> cousin. Shoakat is the CEO of Bhaha, an import/export company owned by
> the Assad family.

ROTFLMOL . Stop your killing me!
Five years and this is the best you have to offer? they sneaked out
overningt to Syria! LOL!


>
> In February 2003, a month before America's invasion in Iraq, very few
> are aware about the efforts to bring the Weapons of Mass Destruction
> from Iraq to Syria, and the personal involvement of Bashar Assad and
> his family in the operation.

Oh! I get it! so the US had it rignt but had everything WRONG for a whole
month before the invasion? when they styepped up survaillence and assured us
they knew where the WMD were?

In fact I already showed you how in 1991 the UN couldnt account for 2
(thatsTWO) scuds! All the other unverified stuff is listed too! and it was
fairly much known by 19951 then Kamal came along and surprised them with the
evidence of ONE rocket mould and a disused Scud launcher! But you are
claiming all this time he was really building up WMD and a group capable of
moving them across Iraq without detection and nobody knowing about it five
years later! LOL.

 

[Mavisbeacon]

"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>where are the proven links to al Qaeda and
>>world terror organisations?
>
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={01950E4E-46A5-49C6-969F-8DDEE00701F8}

Self admitted biased source! but let us look at this.

>
> THIS PAST MARCH 25 in the packed Palestine Chamber of Commerce hall,
> those in attendance emitted a collective, audible gasp in response to
> this very special announcement: Iraqi president Saddam Hussein will
> henceforth pay $25,000 apiece to the families of Palestinian suicide
> bombers.

Here we go again! i have dealt with this before on soc.culture.iraq
This is true! Saddam did gove money to the families (well the wives actually
mostly) of dead terrorists. i have no Idea if they were all suicide bombers.
In the Us Americans gove money to NORAID which supports the families of dead
IRA terrorists in Ireland! It si probably tax deductable It does NOT mean
those people support IRA terrorism! It means they have sympathy for the
impoverished families of dead people. In fact eh UK authorities supports the
families of dead terrorist and even of living ex terrorists. indeed they
support the families of still in prision terr orists who refuse to gve up
terrorism!

Now i don;t think Saddam was just charatible. He was also performing a
publicity stunt! But it in NO way shows links to Al Qaeda or planning world
terror campaigns!

Sorry but in spoite of the spin on it NOT EVIDNCE of planning terror with
any Islamic groups!
[snip]

 

[Mavisbeacon]

"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>You are now basing you evidence on what you DON'T know!
>
> You are denying the black-out of classified data!

I don't deny the blacked out stuff. In fact most is so you dont identify the
secrecy of the source but you will never find that out since you wont see it
will you?
Then again. maybe you will, why do you think every page had a black line at
the top and bottom. Surely the title isnt classified. Wel if the title is
the "mr James Bond report to congress" then peopole wouldnt want "james
Bond" mentioned would they?

There is no point arguing about what you are not going to see and I am not
goiung to show you. Then again that is EXACTLY what you are doing! You are
not going to see WMD in IRAQ and you are not going to shopw anyone any
evidence but like the UFO poster on agent Fox Mulders wall you "Want To
Believe".

>
>
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615
>
> March 22, 2005
>
> Iraqi commandos backed by U.S. ground and air fire uncovered an
> apparent insurgent training camp today that hosted fighters from as
> far away as the Philippines, senior officials tell ABC News.

[snip]
Dealt with elsewhere.

 

[Mavisbeacon]

"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>
>>LOL!
>
>
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615
>
> March 22, 2005
[snip]
Already dealt with elsewhere soc.culture.Iraq

 

[Mavisbeacon]

"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:08:31 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>OPINION! Not evidence.
>
> YOU ARE A ****ING LIAR!
>
>
> http://www.internet-grocer.net/weapons.htm
>
> Weapons of Mass Destruction HAVE been found in Iraq:
>
> 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

Where?

[snip]>
>
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={A91FEE10-D98F-4EAA-8CA5-73DCD65234D2}

biased surce.

>
> The UN's nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency
> (IAEA), was very upset last week that the US had shipped about 1.8
> tons of low-enriched uranium and other radioactive material out of
> Iraq for disposition in the US.


Frontpage mag use the washington post as I poiunted out to elsewehere.

FPM changed non enriched to "low-enriched" For "low" read "not at all"
Not enriched Uranium! Not weapons grade1
Found by the UN in 1991!
Sealed by the UN in 1991!
UN destroyed the enrichment plant in 1991 as well!

[snip]

 

[Western Road Co.]

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:44:13 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>biased surce.

DROP ****ING DEAD!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm

The US has revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of
radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month.
"This operation was a major achievement," said US Energy Secretary
Spencer Abraham in a statement.

He said it would keep "potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of
the hands of terrorists".

Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 "highly
radioactive sources" were also removed.

The material was taken from a former nuclear research facility on 23
June, after being packaged by 20 experts from the US Energy
Department's secret laboratories.

It was flown out of the country aboard a military plane in a joint
operation with the Department of Defense, and is being stored
temporarily at a Department of Energy facility.

The United Nations nuclear watchdog - the International Atomic Energy
Agency - and Iraqi officials were informed ahead of the operation,
which happened ahead of the 28 June handover of sovereignty.

 

[Western Road Co.]

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:22:34 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>
>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
>news:b9kgl39evinqs6qs1a6uo6e6kqu8im9i34@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>>
>>>
>>>LOL!
>>
>>
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615
>>
>> March 22, 2005
>[snip]

**** YOU!

>Already dealt with elsewhere soc.culture.Iraq

March 22, 2005

Share Iraqi commandos backed by U.S. ground and air fire uncovered an
apparent insurgent training camp today that hosted fighters from as
far away as the Philippines, senior officials tell ABC News.

The discovery was made after the members of Iraq's 1st Police Commando
Battalion -- who are part of the fighting forces of Iraq's interim
government -- were attacked while on a noontime patrol north of
Baghdad, near Samarra.

As they approached a group of buildings, they were attacked by
sustained heavy fire from RPG, small arms, and mortars.

Seven Iraqi commandos were killed and six were wounded. There were an
estimated 70 to 100 attackers and they were in dug-in positions.

 

[Western Road Co.]

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:22:34 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>You are
>not going to see WMD in IRAQ

http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php

A senior Syrian journalist reports Iraq WMD located in three Syrian
sites
06 January, 2004

AFP

Nizar Nayuf (Nayyouf-Nayyuf), a Syrian journalist who recently
defected from Syria to Western Europe and is known for bravely
challenging the Syrian regime, said in a letter Monday, January 5, to
Dutch newspaper ?De Telegraaf,? that he knows the three sites where
Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) are kept. The storage places
are:



click for images of Iraq's WMD location in Syria

-1- Tunnels dug under the town of al-Baida near the city of Hama in
northern Syria. These tunnels are an integral part of an underground
factory, built by the North Koreans, for producing Syrian Scud
missiles. Iraqi chemical weapons and long-range missiles are stored in
these tunnels.

-2- The village of Tal Snan, north of the town of Salamija, where
there is a big Syrian air force camp. Vital parts of Iraq's WMD are
stored there.

-3-. The city of Sjinsjar on the Syrian border with the Lebanon, south
of Homs city.


Nayouf writes that the transfer of Iraqi WMD to Syria was organized by
the commanders of Saddam Hussein's Special Republican Guard, including
General Shalish, with the help of Assif Shoakat , Bashar Assad's
cousin. Shoakat is the CEO of Bhaha, an import/export company owned by
the Assad family.


http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2343180/Photos-point-to-removal-of.html

U.S. intelligence agencies have obtained satellite photographs of
truck convoys that were at several weapons sites in Iraq in the weeks
before U.S. military operations were launched, defense officials said
yesterday.

The photographs indicate that Iraq was moving arms and equipment from
its known weapons sites, said officials who spoke on the condition of
anonymity.

According to one official, the National Geospatial-Intelligence
Agency, known as NGA, "documented the movement of long convoys of
trucks from various areas around Baghdad to the Syrian border."

The official said the convoys are believed to include shipments of
sensitive armaments, including equipment used in making plastic
explosives and nuclear weapons.

About 380 tons of RDX and HMX, used in making such arms, were reported
missing from the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility,...

 

[Western Road Co.]

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:16:58 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>
>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
>news2kgl3le6vdgqt5jn7jr2mjvq2bs4etf8q@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>>
>>>where are the proven links to al Qaeda and
>>>world terror organisations?
>>
>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={01950E4E-46A5-49C6-969F-8DDEE00701F8}
>
>Self admitted biased source! but let us look at this.
>
>>
>> THIS PAST MARCH 25 in the packed Palestine Chamber of Commerce hall,
>> those in attendance emitted a collective, audible gasp in response to
>> this very special announcement: Iraqi president Saddam Hussein will
>> henceforth pay $25,000 apiece to the families of Palestinian suicide
>> bombers.
>
>Here we go again! i have dealt with this before on soc.culture.iraq

**** you and **** your "dealing with " anything you festering p[ile of
****!

>This is true! Saddam did gove money to the families (well the wives actually
>mostly) of dead terrorists. i have no Idea if they were all suicide bombers.


STFU you vomitous piece of crap!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm

Palestinians get Saddam funds


Iraq regularly parades volunteers to "liberate Palestine"
Saddam Hussein has paid out thousands of dollars to families of
Palestinians killed in fighting with Israel.
Relatives of at least one suicide attacker as well as other militants
and civilians gathered in a hall in Gaza City to receive cheques.

"Iraq and Palestine are in one trench. Saddam is a hero," read a
banner over a picture of the Iraqi leader and Palestinian leader
Yasser Arafat at the ceremony.

With war looming in the Middle East, Palestinian speakers condemned
the United States and Israel, which dismissed the ceremony as support
for terrorism.

Saddam's payments
$10,000 per family
$25,000 for family of a suicide bomber
$35m paid since September 2000
PALF figures
One by one, at least 21 families came up to receive their cheques from
the Palestinian Arab Liberation Front (PALF), a local pro-Iraq group.

A Hamas suicide bomber's family got $25,000 while the others -
relatives of militants killed in fighting or civilians killed during
Israeli military operations - all received $10,000 each.

Another banner in the hall described the cheques as the "blessings of
Saddam Hussein" and PALF speakers extolled the Iraqi leader in fiery
speeches.

"Saddam Hussein considers those who die in martyrdom attacks as people
who have won the highest degree of martyrdom," said one.

The party estimated that Iraq had paid out $35m to Palestinian
families since the current uprising began in September 2000.

 

[Western Road Co.]

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>This is funny. LOL!

YOU ARE A ****ING PIECE OF MUZZIE_APOLOGIST ****!



http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2343180/Photos-point-to-removal-of.html

U.S. intelligence agencies have obtained satellite photographs of
truck convoys that were at several weapons sites in Iraq in the weeks
before U.S. military operations were launched, defense officials said
yesterday.

The photographs indicate that Iraq was moving arms and equipment from
its known weapons sites, said officials who spoke on the condition of
anonymity.

According to one official, the National Geospatial-Intelligence
Agency, known as NGA, "documented the movement of long convoys of
trucks from various areas around Baghdad to the Syrian border."

The official said the convoys are believed to include shipments of
sensitive armaments, including equipment used in making plastic
explosives and nuclear weapons.

About 380 tons of RDX and HMX, used in making such arms, were reported
missing from the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility,...

 

[Western Road Co.]

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>
>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>>
>>>[snip]
>>
>>
>> **** YOU TO HELL!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615
>>
>> March 22, 2005
>>
>> Iraqi commandos backed by U.S. ground and air fire uncovered an
>> apparent insurgent training camp today that hosted fighters from as
>> far away as the Philippines, senior officials tell ABC News.
>
>"APPARENT"

**** YOU TO HELL!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84291,00.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq

 

[Western Road Co.]

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>
>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>>
>>>> NO FACTUAL REBUTTAL!
>>>
>>>I already posted.
>>
>> YOU QUOTED NOTHING!
>>
>> YOU MADE NO FACTUAL POINTS!
>>
>> BULLSHITTER!
>
>I did

**** YOU!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84291,00.html
BAGHDAD, Iraq

 

[Western Road Co.]

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:51:23 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>
>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:10 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>>
>>>We are not arguing about "they THOUGHT they were right at the time" as if
>>>that is an excuse! THEY CLAIMED THEY KNEW! They DIDNT KNOW !
>>
>>
>> PROVE IT!!!!!
>>
>> PROVE the intel conformed by over a dozen natiions was known, at the
>> time, to be false!
>>
>> PROVE IT!
>
>It isnt up to me to do that

YES it IS, you ASSWIPE!

 

[Western Road Co.]

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:36:19 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>> **** off LIAR!
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
>
>
>LOL Fox news is a reliable source now is it?
>


Care to factually REBUT it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm

US reveals Iraq nuclear operation


Abraham called the operation a "major achievement"
The US has revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of
radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month.
"This operation was a major achievement," said US Energy Secretary
Spencer Abraham in a statement.

He said it would keep "potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of
the hands of terrorists".

Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 "highly
radioactive sources" were also removed.

The material was taken from a former nuclear research facility on 23
June, after being packaged by 20 experts from the US Energy
Department's secret laboratories.

It was flown out of the country aboard a military plane in a joint
operation with the Department of Defense, and is being stored
temporarily at a Department of Energy facility.

The United Nations nuclear watchdog - the International Atomic Energy
Agency - and Iraqi officials were informed ahead of the operation,
which happened ahead of the 28 June handover of sovereignty.

 

[Western Road Co.]

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:30:05 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
<Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:

>NO LINKS between Al Quaeda and Salman Pak!

AQ is NOT the only terror sponsor!

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm

Salman Pak / Al Salman
Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret
terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and
non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains,
planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.

The Salman Pak biological warfare facility was located on a peninsula
caused by a bend in the Tigris river, approximately five kilometers
(km) from the arch located in the town of Salman Pak. The facility
area comprised more than 20 square km, and might have been known as a
farmers (or agricultural) experimentation center. The peninsula was
fenced off and patrolled by a large guard force. Immediately inside
and to the east of the fence line were two opulent villas: the larger
built for Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and the other for his
half-brother, Barazan al-Tikriti. A main paved road ran through the
center of the Salman Pak facility/peninsula. [GulfLINK]

Plans were made in the mid-1980's to develop the Salman Pak site into
a secure biological warfare research facility. Dr Rihab Taha, head of
a small biological weapons research team, continued to work with her
team at al-Muthanna until 1987 when it moved to Salman Pak, which was
under the control of the Directorate of General Intelligence.

Located at the facility are several buildings. The probable main
research building at the site is a modern building, composed of twenty
four rooms, housing a major BW research facility. Using current
technology the research area alone had sufficient floor space to
accommodate several continuous-flow or batch fermenters that could
produce daily sufficient anthrax bacteria to lethally assault hundreds
of square kilometers. Adjacent to the research building is a storage
area which contains four munitions type storage bunkers with lightning
arrestors. Two of these bunkers have facilities for storage of
temperature sensitive biological material. Approximately a mile down
the road from the research area is a complex US intelligence believed
to be an engineering area. One building in this complex was thought to
contain a fermentation pilot plant capable of scale up production of
BW agents. A construction project comprising several buildings was
begun in early 1989 adjacent to the engineering area, and was near
completion in 1990. This new complex was assessed as a pharmaceutical
production plant. As such, this facility would have an extensive
capability for biological agent production. [GulfLINK]

Salman Pak, located 30-40 km SE of Baghdad, engaged in laboratory
scale research on Anthrax, Botulinum toxin, Clostridium, perfringens
(gas gangrene), mycotoxins, aflatoxins, and Ricin. Researchers at this
site carried out toxicity evaluations of these agents and examined
their growth characteristics and survivability.

Equipment-moving trucks and refrigerated trucks were observed at the
Salman Pak BW facility prior to the onset of bombing, suggesting that
Iraq was moving equipment or material into or out of the facility.
Information obtained after the conflict revealed that Iraq had moved
BW agent production equipment from Salman Pak to the Al Hakam suspect
BW facility.

The Qadisiya State Establishment [aka Al-Qadsia], involved in the
program to produce Al Hussein class missiles, is apparently located
nearby, along with the Al-Yarmouk facility which according to some
reports was associated with the chemical munitions program [and which
other reports place at Yusufiyah.

Iraq told UN inspectors that Salman Pak was an anti-terror training
camp for Iraqi special forces. However, two defectors from Iraqi
intelligence stated that they had worked for several years at the
secret Iraqi government camp, which had trained Islamic terrorists in
rotations of five or six months since 1995. Training activities
including simulated hijackings carried out in an airplane fuselage
[said to be a Boeing 707] at the camp. The camp is divided into
distinct sections. On one side of the camp young, Iraqis who were
members of Fedayeen Saddam are trained in espionage, assassination
techniques and sabotage. The Islamic militants trained on the other
side of the camp, in an area separated by a small lake, trees and
barbed wire. The militants reportedly spent time training, usually in
groups of five or six, around the fuselage of the airplane. There were
rarely more than 40 or 50 Islamic radicals in the camp at one time.

 

[Mavisbeacon]

"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:22:34 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>
>>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
>>news:b9kgl39evinqs6qs1a6uo6e6kqu8im9i34@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:24:35 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
>>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=604615
>>>
>>> March 22, 2005
>>[snip]
>
> **** YOU!
>
>>Already dealt with elsewhere soc.culture.Iraq
>
> March 22, 2005
>
> Share Iraqi commandos backed by U.S. ground and air fire uncovered an
> apparent insurgent training camp today that hosted fighters from as
> far away as the Philippines, senior officials tell ABC News.
>
> The discovery was made after the members of Iraq's 1st Police Commando
> Battalion -- who are part of the fighting forces of Iraq's interim
> government -- were attacked while on a noontime patrol north of
> Baghdad, near Samarra.
>
> As they approached a group of buildings, they were attacked by
> sustained heavy fire from RPG, small arms, and mortars.
>
> Seven Iraqi commandos were killed and six were wounded. There were an
> estimated 70 to 100 attackers and they were in dug-in positions.

Not evidence of any link between Iraq and Al Khyda! In fact this is TWO
YEARS AFTER the US invasion! We know Al KHYDA were getting stronger in Iraq
then. As Islamists are getting strongetrin Afghanistan while the US are
pulling out of Afghanistan. But NOTHING above is evidence of links between
Saddam and Islamic international terror!

 

[Mavisbeacon]

"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:22:34 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>You are
>>not going to see WMD in IRAQ
>
> http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php
>
LOL

You keep reposting stuff that has already been debunked. Spamming out the
same debunked stuff won't make it true!

 

[Mavisbeacon]

"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:16:58 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>
>>"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
>>news2kgl3le6vdgqt5jn7jr2mjvq2bs4etf8q@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:53:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
>>> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>>>
>>>>where are the proven links to al Qaeda and
>>>>world terror organisations?
>>>
>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={01950E4E-46A5-49C6-969F-8DDEE00701F8}
>>
>>Self admitted biased source! but let us look at this.
>>
>>>
>>> THIS PAST MARCH 25 in the packed Palestine Chamber of Commerce hall,
>>> those in attendance emitted a collective, audible gasp in response to
>>> this very special announcement: Iraqi president Saddam Hussein will
>>> henceforth pay $25,000 apiece to the families of Palestinian suicide
>>> bombers.
>>
>>Here we go again! i have dealt with this before on soc.culture.iraq
>
> **** you and **** your "dealing with " anything you festering p[ile of
> ****!

LOL! When you don't like the message and can't deal with it you resort to
blaming the messenger. Do you always attack the other person when you are
too inept to deal with the actual issues they raise?

>
>>This is true! Saddam did gove money to the families (well the wives
>>actually
>>mostly) of dead terrorists. i have no Idea if they were all suicide
>>bombers.
>
>
> STFU you vomitous piece of crap!

LOL! That's a counter argument is it? ~Sorry but it does not show Saddam
planning or beng any part of international terror. Whinging about that won't
make your claim true. But look at it this way it won't make it any more
false. LOL!

>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm
>
> Palestinians get Saddam funds
>
>
> Iraq regularly parades volunteers to "liberate Palestine"
> Saddam Hussein has paid out thousands of dollars to families of
> Palestinians killed in fighting with Israel.
This is the same story as above!


> Relatives of at least one suicide attacker as well as other militants
> and civilians gathered in a hall in Gaza City to receive cheques.
>
> "Iraq and Palestine are in one trench. Saddam is a hero," read a
> banner over a picture of the Iraqi leader and Palestinian leader
> Yasser Arafat at the ceremony.
>
> With war looming in the Middle East, Palestinian speakers condemned
> the United States and Israel, which dismissed the ceremony as support
> for terrorism.
>
> Saddam's payments
> $10,000 per family
> $25,000 for family of a suicide bomber
> $35m paid since September 2000
> PALF figures
> One by one, at least 21 families came up to receive their cheques from
> the Palestinian Arab Liberation Front (PALF), a local pro-Iraq group.

Yes. so what? Giving money to the family of a dead terrorist AFTER he is
dead is not supporting what he did!

NORAID did it in the US! The UK government does it!

 

[Mavisbeacon]

"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:44:13 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>biased surce.
>
> DROP ****ING DEAD!
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm
>
> The US has revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of
> radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month.
> "This operation was a major achievement," said US Energy Secretary
> Spencer Abraham in a statement.

This claim is clearly WRONG!

Washington post.
U.S. Removed Radioactive Materials From Iraq Facility

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 7, 2004; Page A16

Now in THAT source you find that it was NOT ENRICHED URANIUM

and you will find: Less sensitive radiological materials -- used for
medical, agricultural or industrial purposes -- were left in Iraq, according
to a Department of Energy statement.
and...

Tuwaitha was once the center of Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons effort, but
its equipment was dismantled at the direction of U.N. inspectors in the
early 1990s as part of the agreement following Iraq's surrender in the 1991
Persian Gulf War. The U.N. inspectors removed highly enriched uranium that
could be used for weapons and shipped it for storage in Russia. The
low-enriched uranium was placed under seal in storage at Tuwaitha but under
the control of the IAEA.
and...

In April 2003, just days after the statue of Hussein in Baghdad was pulled
down, a U.S. Marine engineering company took a close look at Tuwaitha, which
is 30 miles south of Baghdad. There they found guards had abandoned their
posts and looters were roaming the giant facility. At one storage building,
which later was found to hold radioactive samples used in research, the
radiation levels were too high to enter safely, although the entrance door
stood wide open.
A month later, the Pentagon rejected suggestions that U.N. inspectors be
allowed to reenter Iraq but agreed the IAEA experts could return to secure
the uranium that had been under its seal for years.

[end quote]

NOT ENRICHED! NON WEAPONS GRADE! UNDER SEAL! KNOWN ABOUT! ENRICHMENT
MACHINERY DISMANTLED!

LOL! Funny how the spin doctors morph this into a weapons system. LOL!



>
> He said it would keep "potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of
> the hands of terrorists".

But the UN SEALED IT in 1991! and it remainedlike that untill the US bombed
it!
>
> Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 "highly
> radioactive sources" were also removed.


IT WAS NOT ENRICHED URANIUM!

>
> The material was taken from a former nuclear research facility on 23
> June, after being packaged by 20 experts from the US Energy
> Department's secret laboratories.
>
> It was flown out of the country aboard a military plane in a joint
> operation with the Department of Defense, and is being stored
> temporarily at a Department of Energy facility.

AND SENT TO RUSSIA!


>
> The United Nations nuclear watchdog - the International Atomic Energy
> Agency - and Iraqi officials were informed ahead of the operation,
> which happened ahead of the 28 June handover of sovereignty.


YES. BUT THEY ALREADY KNEW! They HAD To be informed because they SEALED it
over a decade before!

Any eral evidence of WMD?

Here let me help you:

1991-97
Under the supervision of UNSCOM weapons inspectors, Iraq destroys more than
38,000 filled and unfilled chemical munitions, 690 tons of chemical warfare
agents, over 3,000 tons of precursor chemicals, more than 400 pieces of
production equipment [United Nations Special Commission, 4/16/1998] , 48
missiles, 8 mobile missile launchers, and 29 missile warheads modified to
carry chemical or biological agents. [United Nations Special Commission,
1/29/1998] After cross-referencing weapons-making materials found in Iraq
with sales records from other countries, UNSCOM inspectors conclude that at
least 90 percent of Iraq's weapons have been destroyed or dismantled. Chief
UNSCOM inspector Scott Ritter believes that a good portion of the remaining
10 percent was destroyed during the First Gulf War, thus leaving only a
small fraction unaccounted for. [Truthout (.org), 7/24/2002; Newsday,
7/30/2002]

Aug 22 1995:
Hussein Kamel. [Source: Associated Press]Hussein Kamel, Iraq's former
minister of military industry-who was Saddam Hussein's son-in-law and who
had overseen Iraq's nuclear, chemical, biological and missile weapons
programs for almost a decade-is interviewed shortly after defecting by
UNMOVIC Executive Chairman Rolf Ekeus, Professor Maurizio Zifferero, deputy
director of the Internal Atomic Energy Agency,and Nikita Smidovick of
UNSCOM. During the interview, Kamel says that Iraq had destroyed all of its
banned weapons after the First Gulf War. "I ordered destruction of all
chemical weapons. All weapons-biological, chemical, missile, nuclear were
destroyed," he tells his interviewers. With regard to Anthrax, which Kamel
says had been the "main focus" of Iraq's biological program, Kamel says,
"nothing remained." Regarding the nerve gas, VX, Kamel says, "they put it in
bombs during last days of the Iran-Iraq war. They were not used and the
program was terminated." When asked if the program had been reconstituted,
Kamel replies, "We changed the factory into pesticide production. Part of
the establishment started to produce medicine. We gave instructions not to
produce chemical weapons." On the issue of prohibited missiles, Kamel
states: "[N]ot a single missile left but they had blueprints and molds for
production. All missiles were destroyed." Kamel also says that inspections
worked in Iraq. "You have important role in Iraq with this. You should not
underestimate yourself. You are very effective in Iraq," he reveals. But
this information is not made public. Newsweek reports in March 2003 that
according to its sources, "Kamel's revelations about the destruction of
Iraq's
WMD stocks were hushed up by the UN inspectors. for two reasons. Saddam did
not know how much Kamel had revealed, and the inspectors hoped to bluff
Saddam into disclosing still more." [Scotsman, 2/24/2003; Newsweek,
3/3/2003] Kamel also says that Khidhir Hamza, an Iraqi nuclear scientist who
defected in 1994 and who will be a source for claims regarding Iraq's
alleged nuclear weapons program in the lead-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq,
is "a professional liar." He tells his interviewers, "He worked with us, but
he was useless and always looking for promotions.. He consulted with me but
could not deliver anything.. He was even interrogated by a team before he
left and was allowed to go." [New York Review of Books, 2/26/2004] At around
the same time, Kamel is also interviewed by the CIA and Britain's MI6.
According to sources interviewed by Newsweek, Kamel provides them with the
same information. [Scotsman, 2/24/2003; Newsweek, 3/3/2003 Sources: Unnamed
sources] But after this is revealed on February 24, 2003 by Newsweek's John
Barry, the CIA issues a strong denial. "It is incorrect, bogus, wrong,
untrue," CIA spokesman Bill Harlow will say. [Reuters, 2/24/2003]

October 1997
Hans Blix. [Source: Dean Calma / IAEA]Hans Blix, director-general of the
International Atomic Energy Agency, writes in a letter to UN
Secretary-General Kofi Annan that there is no evidence that Iraq has an
active nuclear weapons program. Blix says that the agency now has a
"technically coherent picture of Iraq's clandestine nuclear program,"
despite some missing evidence and gaps in knowledge. He states with
certainty the following: [Director General of the International Atomic
Energy Agency, 10/6/1997]
"There are no indications to suggest that Iraq was successful in its
attempt to produce nuclear weapons. Iraq's explanation of its progress
towards the finalization of a workable design for its nuclear weapons is
considered to be consistent with the resources and time scale indicated by
the available program documentation. However, no documentation or other
evidence is available to show the actual status of the weapon design when
the program was interrupted." [Director General of the International Atomic
Energy Agency, 10/6/1997]
"Iraq was at, or close to, the threshold of success in such areas as the
production of HEU [high-enriched uranium] through the EMIS [electromagnetic
isotope separation] process, the production and pilot cascading of
single-cylinder sub-critical gas centrifuge machines, and the fabrication of
the explosive package for a nuclear weapon." [Director General of the
International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997]
"There are no indications to suggest that Iraq had produced more that a few
grams of weapon-usable nuclear material (HEU or separated plutonium) through
its indigenous processes, all of which has been removed from Iraq."
[Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997]
"There are no indications that Iraq otherwise acquired weapon-usable
nuclear material." [Director General of the International Atomic Energy
Agency, 10/6/1997]
"All of the safeguarded research reactor fuel, including the HEU fuel that
Iraq had planned to divert to its 'crash program,' was verified and fully
accounted for by the IAEA and removed from Iraq." [Director General of the
International Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997]
"There are no indications that there remains in Iraq any physical
capability for the production of amounts of weapon-usable nuclear material
of any practical significance." [Director General of the International
Atomic Energy Agency, 10/6/1997]

1998:
Experts report that Iraq has failed to adequately account for 500
mustard-gas shells, 25 "special warheads," 150 aerial bombs, 2 scud missiles
[Christian Science Monitor, 8/29/2002] , 520 kilograms of yeast extract
growth medium specifically for anthrax [NewsMax, 9/4/2002] , 15,000 122 mm
artillery shells, 25,000 rockets and several hundred tons of chemicals for
the nerve agent VX. [Cirincione, Wolfsthal, and Rajkumar, 6/2002; BBC,
9/11/2002]
25 Special Warheads - Iraq failed to account for 25 special warheads. Former
UNSCOM inspector Scott Ritter will tell the Christian Science Monitor in
mid-2002, "Even if he hid some warheads, they would have degenerated by
now." [Christian Science Monitor, 8/29/2002]
Scud Missiles - Iraq has accounted for or destroyed 817 of its 819 Scud
missiles. [United Nations Special Commission, 1/29/1998] It is later
suggested by experts, such as former UN inspector Scott Ritter and Charles
Duelfer of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, that Iraq
could possibly salvage and manufacture enough components to build up a store
of between five and 25 missiles. [BBC, 9/11/2002] But as the San Francisco
Chronicle later notes, citing unnamed weapons experts, "there is no evidence
that these have been tested or that Iraq has any functional launchers." [San
Francisco Chronicle, 10/12/2002]
8,5000 liters of anthrax - Iraq maintains that these remaining stores of
Anthrax were unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991, however they
offer no evidence of this. [Scotsman, 2/24/2003] Scott Ritter, a former
Marine intelligence officer and chief weapons inspector, will later say that
evidence indicates that Iraq's liquid bulk anthrax has not been produced by
Iraq since 1991. Furthermore, he adds, the factory where Iraq had produced
the pathogen was destroyed in 1996. He says that any anthrax produced before
then is no longer a threat to anyone because after three years liquid bulk
anthrax becomes "useless sludge." [Reuters, 2/8/2002]
Several hundred tons of chemicals for the nerve agent VX - UNSCOM is unable
to account for several hundred tons of chemicals for the nerve agent VX.
Iraq maintains that these remaining stocks were unilaterally destroyed in
the summer of 1991. [Scotsman, 2/24/2003] In March 2003, UNMOVIC, the
successor to UNSCOM, will report that Iraq's production method created nerve
agent that lasted only six to eight weeks. [Independent, 6/1/2003] Critics
believe that most of these stocks were destroyed during the First Gulf War.
Scott Ritter, a former chief weapons inspector, speaking at the Suffolk Law
School building in downtown Boston, will say on July of 2002: "The research
and development factory is destroyed [a Gulf War bomb destroyed the
production facility on January 23, 1991]. The product of that factory is
destroyed. The weapons they loaded up have been destroyed. More importantly,
the equipment procured from Europe that was going to be used for their
large-scale VX nerve agent factory was identified by the special
commission-still packed in its crates in 1997-and destroyed. Is there a VX
nerve agent factory in Iraq today? Not on your life." [Truthout (.org),
7/24/2002]

1999:
A special panel of the UN Security Council reports that "the declared
facilities of Iraq's biological weapons program have been destroyed and
rendered harmless." [United Nations, 3/30/1999; Guardian, 5/15/2002]

So where is the US in this2001-2003)
The US intelligence community-most notably the intelligence gatherers
working in the Pentagon offices under Douglas Feith (see September
2002) -bases several of its intelligence assessments concerning Iraq on
information offered by the Iraqi National Congress (INC) and by Iraqi
defectors provided by the INC, despite warnings from the State Department
and some CIA analysts that the lobbying group cannot be trusted. [New
Yorker, 5/12/2003; Salon, 7/16/2003; Guardian, 7/17/2003; Inter Press
Service, 8/7/2003; Independent, 9/30/2003; Mother Jones, 1/2004 Sources:
Greg Thielmann, Unnamed administration official] The INC's primary
intelligence organization is its Information Collection Program (ICP), which
conducts about 20 percent of all US intelligence's verbal debriefings of
Iraqi prisoners, insurgents, and defectors. [Bamford, 2004, pp. 336-337]
Some of the INC's intelligence on Iraq is reportedly funneled directly to
the office of Vice President Dick Cheney by Francis Brooke, the DC lobbyist
for the group. [Newsweek, 12/15/2003 Sources: Memo, Francis Brooke] Brooke
will later acknowedge that the information provided by the INC was driven by
an agenda. "I told them [the INC], as their campaign manager, 'Go get me a
terrorist and some WMD, because that's what the Bush administration is
interested in.'" [Vanity Fair, 5/2004, pp. 230] Brooke had previously worked
for the Rendon Group, "a shadowy CIA-connected public-relations firm."
[Mother Jones, 1/2004]

Feb 2001:
CIA director George Tenet testifies to Congress that Iraq possesses no
weapons of mass destruction and poses no threat to the United State. He
says, "We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period
since [Operation] Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs, although
given its past behavior, this type of activity must be regarded as likely..
We assess that since the suspension of [UN] inspections in December of 1998,
Baghdad has had the capability to reinitiate both its [chemical and
biological weapons] programs. without an inspection monitoring program,
however, it is more difficult to determine if Iraq has done so." He
continues, "Moreover, the automated video monitoring systems installed by
the UN at known and suspect WMD facilities in Iraq are still not operating.
Having lost this on-the-ground access, it is more difficult for the UN or
the US to accurately assess the current state of Iraq's WMD programs."
Rumsfeld also discusses al-Qaeda, calling it "the most immediate and serious
threat" to US interests [Scoop, 6/27/2003]

At a joint press conference with German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer,
Colin Powell says that Iraq has been successfully contained. "What we and
other allies have been doing in the region, have succeeded in containing
Saddam Hussein and his ambitions. His forces are about one-third their
original size. They don't really possess the capability to attack their
neighbors the way they did ten years ago.. Containment has been a successful
policy." [US Department of State, 2/20/2001]

During a press briefing held aboard a plane en route to Cairo, Egypt, Colin
Powell says: "Though [the Iraqis] may be pursuing weapons of mass
destruction of all kinds. It is not clear how successful they have been. We
ought to declare [sanctions] a success. We have kept [Saddam Hussein]
contained, kept him in his box." [US Department of State, 2/23/2001; Time,
3/24/2003; Star Tribune (Minneapolis), 1/28/2004]

Secretary of State Colin Powell travels to Cairo and meets with his
counterpart Amre Moussa. Following up on his statements from the day before
Powell says sanctions against the Iraqi government: "[F]rankly they have
worked. [Saddam Hussein] has not developed any significant capability with
respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional
power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened
the security of the neighbors of Iraq.." Powell adds, "[H]e threatens not
the United States." [US Department of State, 2/24/2003; Mirror, 9/22/2003;
Associated Press, 9/25/2003] Some nineteen months later, when Powell is
asked to explain why his assessment of Iraq had so drastically changed over
such a short span of time, Powell will say, ". I did not say he (Iraqi
President Saddam Hussein) didn't have weapons of mass destruction.. He was a
threat then. The extent of his holdings were yet to be determined. It was
early in the administration and the fact of the matter is it was long before
9/11 (the date of the 2001 attacks on the United States).. A lot changed
between February 2001 (and the invasion), but I don't find anything
inconsistent between what I said then and what I've said all along." [US
Department of State, 9/25/2003; Associated Press, 9/25/2003; Washington
Post, 9/26/2003]

May 2001:
Secretary of State Colin Powell, in testimony before the Foreign Operations,
Export Financing, and Related Programs Subcommittee of the Senate
Appropriations Committee, says that Saddam Hussein has been effectively
contained by sanctions. He says, "The sanctions. have succeeded over the
last 10 years, not in deterring him from moving in that direction, but from
actually being able to move in that direction. The Iraqi regime militarily
remains fairly weak. It doesn't have the capacity it had 10 or 12 years ago.
It has been contained. And even though we have no doubt in our mind that the
Iraqi regime is pursuing programs to develop weapons of mass
destruction-chemical, biological and nuclear-I think the best intelligence
estimates suggest that they have not been terribly successful. There's no
question that they have some stockpiles of some of these sorts of weapons
still under their control, but they have not been able to break out, they
have not been able to come out with the capacity to deliver these kinds of
systems or to actually have these kinds of systems that is much beyond where
they were 10 years ago. So containment, using this arms control sanctions
regime, I think has been reasonably successful. We have not been able to get
the inspectors back in, though, to verify that, and we have not been able to
get the inspectors in to pull up anything that might be left there. So we
have to continue to view this regime with the greatest suspicion, attribute
to them the most negative motives, which is quite well-deserved with this
particular regime, and roll the sanctions over, and roll them over in a way
where the arms control sanctions really go after their intended
targets-weapons of mass destruction-and not go after civilian goods or
civilian commodities that we really shouldn't be going after, just let that
go to the Iraqi people." [US Congress, 5/15/2001; Mirror, 9/22/2003]

2002:
The CIA's Joint Task Force on Iraq, headed by career officer Valerie Wilson,
sends approximately 30 Iraqi-American civilians back to Iraq to interrogate
family members who are weapons scientists. The agency hopes that the
operation will help close some gaps in the agency's Iraq intelligence. The
plan was devised by Charlie Allen, the CIA's assistant director for
collection. The operation produces a very accurate picture of Iraq's weapons
programs, though the CIA does not realize this at the time. Every single one
of family members (see, e.g., May 2002-September 2002) participating in the
program return from Iraq with the same information-that Iraq's nuclear,
chemical, and biological weapons programs have long since been abandoned.
The program is short-lived. It is shut down by officials in the CIA's
Directorate of Operations who are reportedly jealous of Charlie Allen's
incursions onto its operational turf. The program's results are buried and
never distributed to other bodies within the intelligence community. [Risen,
2006, pp. 183-184; Isikoff and Corn, 2006, pp. 12-14]

AND THEN 2002-2003:
In the lead-up to the war, top Bush administration officials make strong
statements asserting that Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass
destruction. The administration claims that it has incontrovertible
evidence, though no such evidence is disclosed to the public-neither before
nor after the invasion. [Chicago Tribune, 2/7/2002; Daily Telegraph,
8/21/2002; Guardian, 8/22/2002; White House, 8/26/2002; US Department of
Defense, 9/3/2002; Associated Press, 9/3/2002; United Press International,
9/3/2002; Associated Press, 9/8/2002; NewsMax, 9/8/2002; PBS, 9/12/2002; US
President, 9/16/2002; US President, 10/14/2002; CBC News, 12/5/2002;
Associated Press, 1/7/2003; White House, 1/9/2003; US President, 2/3/2003;
US Department of State, 2/5/2003; US Department of State, 2/5/2003; White
House, 3/21/2003; US President, 3/24/2003; Age (Melbourne), 6/7/2003;
Village Voice, 6/18/2003; Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 7/13/2003; Carnegie
Endowment for International Peace, 7/17/2003; Fox News, 8/20/2003;
Associated Press, 12/5/2003]


This is about ten percent of the doccuments I can produce but I think itis
enough of a sample to be getting on with. which ones in particular would you
like to claim is a wrong source? the UN? The Whitehouse? Colin (I changed my
story later) Powell? George (like what Powell was just saying) Tenet?

 

[Mavisbeacon]

"Western Road Co." <hydr@ulics.biz> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:10:11 GMT, "Mavisbeacon"
> <Mavisbeacon@nospam.forme> mumbled:
>
>>This is funny. LOL!
>
> YOU ARE A ****ING PIECE OF MUZZIE_APOLOGIST ****!

I dont have to apologise for Muslims no more than I have to apologise for
Christians Jews Hindus or members of any other religion.
>
>
>
> http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2343180/Photos-point-to-removal-of.html
>
> U.S. intelligence agencies have obtained satellite photographs of
> truck convoys that were at several weapons sites in Iraq in the weeks
> before U.S. military operations were launched, defense officials said
> yesterday.

LOL! Funny how the US didnt say that at the time isnt it? And if they knew
this then why didnt they INTERCEPT them?
http://www.nti.org/f_wmd411/f1b3_1.html
Debate over Iraq Intelligence. A debate has erupted over the alleged misuse
of intelligence by British and U.S. sources to justify the U.S. invasion of
Iraq. A 2002 U.S. National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) claimed that Iraq
was rebuilding its nuclear weapon program, actively pursuing chemical and
biological weapons, and had developed missiles with ranges that violated
United Nations restrictions. However, thorough inspections and
investigations by the 1,200 member Iraq Survey Group (ISG) after the 2003
U.S.-led invasion, turned up no evidence that Iraq had active weapons of
mass destruction programs. In October 2004, the United States released a
918-page report (called the "Duelfer Report" after its author) with the
ISG's findings. The report concludes that the 1991 Gulf War and subsequent
UN sanctions and inspections destroyed Iraq's ability to build a nuclear
weapon program and eliminated its long-range missile inventory and
production capability. The report also states that Iraq abandoned its
interest in biological weapons in the mid-1990s, and Iraq has no production
facilities for chemical weapons or the key precursors to such weapons. Given
the Duelfer Report's findings, the 2002 NIE, which was pivotal in President
Bush's decision to invade Iraq, was incorrect in its primary conclusions. A
March 2005 report to the U.S. President that assesses the intelligence
failure in Iraq states:

The failure was in large part the result of analytical shortcomings;
intelligence analysts were too wedded to their assumptions about Saddam's
intentions. But it was also a failure on the part of those who collect
intelligence--CIA's and Defense Intelligence Agency's (DIA) spies, the
National Security Agency's (NSA) eavesdroppers, and the National
Geospatial-Intelligence Agency's (NGA) imagery experts. In the end, those
agencies collected precious little intelligence for the analysts to analyze,
and much of what they did collect was either worthless or misleading.
Finally, it was a failure to communicate effectively with policymakers; the
Intelligence Community didn't adequately explain just how little good
intelligence it had--or how much its assessments were driven by assumptions
and inferences rather than concrete evidence. (Overview, p. 3)

The report then offers recommendations for reforming the Intelligence
Community based on the lessons learned from the Iraq mistakes. A similar
report (The Butler Report) by a British commission charged with
investigating WMD intelligence criticizes British intelligence with respect
to Iraq, and particularly the government's failure to point out the
limitations of the information it relied on when joining the U.S.-led
invasion of Iraq.



>
> The photographs indicate that Iraq was moving arms and equipment from
> its known weapons sites, said officials who spoke on the condition of
> anonymity.

If they knew where the sites were why have they never shown a single one?
They were bombing them from the Aair for weeks. But apparently ALL the bombs
dropped on these sites MISSED! LOL! Not a single hit for them to say "Look
here is where we hit the WMD site! Get the UN to come here and examine the
soil you will find evidence of WMD" Nope they ALL MISSED! And then the
Iraqui forces MOVED the WMD from right under their noses and all the US
could do (in spite of TOTAL AIR CONTROL) was take pictures.
http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/duelfer.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/wmd/

Please try to keep up to date.

You really really WANT there to be WMD dont you? And some people really
really wanted the Sun to be going round the fixed Earth!

>
> According to one official, the National Geospatial-Intelligence
> Agency, known as NGA, "documented the movement of long convoys of
> trucks from various areas around Baghdad to the Syrian border."
>
> The official said the convoys are believed to include shipments of
> sensitive armaments, including equipment used in making plastic
> explosives and nuclear weapons.
>
> About 380 tons of RDX and HMX, used in making such arms, were reported
> missing from the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility,...

LOL reported by whom? When?