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On Mar 4, 12:27 pm, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1173019052.691420.283990@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > H. Wm. Esque wrote:
>
> > > No Evidence of God?? Is this a claim? If so, whose responsibility
> > > is proof? I would contend there is no way to prove such a
> > > claim, therefore, the claimant would likely attempt to shift the
> > > responsibility to those whom he considers his opponents.
>
> > No, it's more a statement about the absolute dearth of actual,
> > legitimate, objective, verifiable evidence for any deities ever in the
> > universe.
>
> There is no proof. Absolute certainty is not available where the
> Deity is concerned.
How bout just enough evidence to tip the scales, then, Esquire, like
maybe some manna from heaven, or a few pigs possessed by demons, a
stinking corpse brought back to life, or a stick turned into a cobra.
No seven-headed great whore necessary. Matter of fact you can just
skip over the hallucination of the last booklet.
> People of faith accept the Existence of God as a matter of faith,
Or superstition, or hysterical longing not to die into oblivion.
> and not because of hard empirical evidence. If this is what is
> demanded by you, then you are demanding this of God because
> he has not provided it.
But he did provide it, in ancient days, and should provide it
nowadays. Otherwise, we're going to think that in those days somebody
was transcribing a host of lies.
>
> If you have some, please feel free to present it; many of> us atheists have politely asked for such evidence literally for years
> > if not entire lifetimes, and so far have been perpetually sorely
> > disappointed.
>
> You want absolute certainty, a guarantee, but you have no
> certainty in anything: your job, your mate, your future or
> a long happy life. But you demand more from God. Why?
> I find this surprising.
Absolute scientific certainty is not necessary. How about some
witnesses from the other side.
Or even some identifiable sign of the devil, against whom so many
bibles have been issue. That would be helpful.
>
> Be aware, though, that the standards of evidence for> such supernatural claims is pretty high; statements like "I don't
> > understand something, therefore god must have done it" or "I get a
> > warm fuzzy feeling when I pray" won't cut it.
>
> I can understand you want a idyllic existence where there is
> only perfect knowledge, proof of everything even direct
> empirical the existence of God, but it does not exist
> so you will not find it.
>
> Billy
What a copout, Billy. You have swallered so many lies even you
believe them and try, though pathetically, to propagate them.
BTW, tonight this Cameron chap is going to present his evidence at 9
p. m. on the Discovery Channel. Those ancient crypts near Jerusalem,
remember?
> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1173019052.691420.283990@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > H. Wm. Esque wrote:
>
> > > No Evidence of God?? Is this a claim? If so, whose responsibility
> > > is proof? I would contend there is no way to prove such a
> > > claim, therefore, the claimant would likely attempt to shift the
> > > responsibility to those whom he considers his opponents.
>
> > No, it's more a statement about the absolute dearth of actual,
> > legitimate, objective, verifiable evidence for any deities ever in the
> > universe.
>
> There is no proof. Absolute certainty is not available where the
> Deity is concerned.
How bout just enough evidence to tip the scales, then, Esquire, like
maybe some manna from heaven, or a few pigs possessed by demons, a
stinking corpse brought back to life, or a stick turned into a cobra.
No seven-headed great whore necessary. Matter of fact you can just
skip over the hallucination of the last booklet.
> People of faith accept the Existence of God as a matter of faith,
Or superstition, or hysterical longing not to die into oblivion.
> and not because of hard empirical evidence. If this is what is
> demanded by you, then you are demanding this of God because
> he has not provided it.
But he did provide it, in ancient days, and should provide it
nowadays. Otherwise, we're going to think that in those days somebody
was transcribing a host of lies.
>
> If you have some, please feel free to present it; many of> us atheists have politely asked for such evidence literally for years
> > if not entire lifetimes, and so far have been perpetually sorely
> > disappointed.
>
> You want absolute certainty, a guarantee, but you have no
> certainty in anything: your job, your mate, your future or
> a long happy life. But you demand more from God. Why?
> I find this surprising.
Absolute scientific certainty is not necessary. How about some
witnesses from the other side.
Or even some identifiable sign of the devil, against whom so many
bibles have been issue. That would be helpful.
>
> Be aware, though, that the standards of evidence for> such supernatural claims is pretty high; statements like "I don't
> > understand something, therefore god must have done it" or "I get a
> > warm fuzzy feeling when I pray" won't cut it.
>
> I can understand you want a idyllic existence where there is
> only perfect knowledge, proof of everything even direct
> empirical the existence of God, but it does not exist
> so you will not find it.
>
> Billy
What a copout, Billy. You have swallered so many lies even you
believe them and try, though pathetically, to propagate them.
BTW, tonight this Cameron chap is going to present his evidence at 9
p. m. on the Discovery Channel. Those ancient crypts near Jerusalem,
remember?
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