Again, I never said anything about it being racist. Your the one making this a race issue.
Yea, you did. In fact both you an Chi said it's OK for Gates to be prejudicial and racist because of American history.
Like I said before, you reap what you sow. If people weren't so **** racist in the first place, you wouldn't have educated black men so **** paranoid of the cops in the first place..
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Gates might've been hysterical and everything else, but yes, I agree with Bender's statement. I told my boyfriend the same thing days ago. You can't be racist to people and treat them like **** for hundreds of years (and some still to this day) and then wake up one day and expect all to be forgiven and act like it never happened.
It's the old, it's OK to be racist and prejudicial as long as you're a person of color, excuse.
Must not have ever heard of MLK jr.
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This is about people's rights. I don't care how much he's yelling and screaming at the cop. He never touched the cop, and words are not against the law, no matter what he's babbling on about (even if he's ranting on about the cop being a racist). The cop simply didn't like Gate's tone and trumped up a charge to arrest him. It basically went down like this.
Gotta call BS on this one. You are natorious for taking the side against cops. Like Obama, I think it's your knee jerk reaction.
Here's a test. Next time you have contact with the local police department, outside of your home, go off on them in a Gates type rant, ignoring warnings that you are becoming disorderly, or warnings that if you continue to behave in that manner you will be arrested. See what happens. Keep in mind that disorderly conduct laws have been repeatedly upheld as not being a violation of rights.
What you keep forgetting is that the cop didn't lure Gates outside, the cop was leaving and Gates followed him outside, as confirmed by the other officer and witnesses at the scene.
Here's a bit of a secret for you. Cops don't like paperwork. A cop isn't going to gin up a BS disorderly conduct charge because it would cause more paperwork than its worth. A cop isn't going to risk his pension and job over something this small. He had called the Harvard police to the scene as it was University housing. I'm just speculating from the view of someone who's been on both sides, but he was probably planning on passing off the hassle of dealing with Gates, to the University police.
I know the first thing I would try to do, in this situation, is pass it off to the agency with primary jurisdiction and make in someone else's problem.
This is the type of conversation that goes nowhere. I recently explained to a member over at 2TJ, about this kind of thing because he wants to get into law enforcement.
You can't relate with the civillian population on issues dealing with law enforcement because generally there are two types of people out there.
The first is the lawyer type, who thinks they know the law because they watch TV, and are always saying what you can and can't do, "because I know my rights". These people don't know the difference between "TV fantasy" and "reality". Another classic from this type is, "You can't arrest me (or I'm gonna get off my charge) because you didn't read me my rights". I usually just laugh and say, "Wanna bet?" or "Keep telling yourself that in your cell".
The second is the vigilante type, who thinks that just because they say, "I know he did it" is enough for us to go bust into someones house, search for evidence and arrest them. They don't understand the difference between "knowing" someone did something and "proving" someone did something.
They are both idiots.
The best is when you get a hybrid. This is the person who wants you to run off and arrest someone who stole from them because they said so, but when you get a case on them, scream about their rights and that since the cop didn't see them do it, or if it's not on video tape, it's impossible to prove they did it.
I had a case where a person was discovered to be riding on the river on a stolen ATV. The person explained that they bought it from someone, and didn't know it was stolen.
A local "vigilante type" was going off about how the guy on the ATV should have been arrested right then an there.
The person was asked then that If I were to go over to their vehicle, run a check of their VIN and it comes back stolen, if I should then arrest them for stealing the vehicle. They said "No, because they bought it, and didn't know it was stolen."
Just like many people, it's different if it applies to them.
Bottom line is. Nobody made Gates leave his home and act disorderly in public. Nobody made Gates continue to behave this way after leaving his home and being warned that these actions were deemed to be alarming to the public, and disorderly.
Could he have ignored it. Yep, but that is officer discression. A misdemeanor crime was committed in the presence of several officers and they arrested Gates for said crime. It's part of the criminal justice system.
Crowley made a lawful arrest based on Massachussetts law.
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Evidently you like and approve of, having a POLICE STATE where someone can arrest you just for speaking your mind. Your hatred for Obama doesn't let you see past that and see the REAL crime being committed. And you claim to be a PATRIOT? More like a **** puppet to the government..
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This is the biggest load of **** of them all. First off, nobody was arrest for "just speaking their mind" as addressed above and secondly, in the American criminal justice system, the criminal has the advantage.
