Obama remark on black scholar's arrest angers cops

snafu

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July 30, 2009 Cops and feelings
By Lloyd Marcus

When President Obama nominated Sonia Sotomayor for the Supreme Court, he said she was selected because he wanted someone who would show "empathy." It occurred to me that Obama wants the same behavior from America's police.

 


Professor Gates was arrested for disorderly conduct. Because Gates is black, the White House has launched a race committee to "teach" police to be more sensitive. Like his Supreme Court nominee, Obama wants police to give special consideration to race when enforcing the law. So, before you white cops arrest a black person for a crime, think of America's original sin of slavery and all that liberals say blacks are still going through. Perhaps, a,
"I understand where you're comin' from bro" before you cuff him.


Obama's race committee is an absurd waste of taxpayers' money. What on earth does arresting someone for disorderly conduct have to do with race? Gates is either guilty or not guilty. His skin color is irrelevant. Obama making Gates' arrest about "race" is extremely telling; an insight into his belief about
white police.

Even though Obama retreated from his original "the police acted stupidly" statement, he still implied that the white arresting officer did something wrong.

 

 


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Why else would he feel the need to organize a race committee? According to the police report and other officers at the scene (one of which was black), Officer Crowley performed his duty by the book.

Obama's refusal to apologize to America's police sends a horrible message to black America. Speaking from the highest office in the land, his words give tremendous credence to the "blacks are victims" paradigm. Think of the hatred and resentment Obama's false assumption that police typically mistreat blacks will inspire in black youths. My goodness, the president of the United States agrees with the gangster rappers, "Yo, if you're black in A-mur-a-ka, da Man is out ta getcha".

Remember the controversy and fear of violence because of the rap song, "Cop Killer" by Ice Tea? Our president's comments were extremely divisive and irresponsible.

Something else that disturbs me regarding Obama's handling of the Gates/ Crowley incident: Obama could have simply apologized to police for calling them stupid, and America would have moved on. Instead, he chose to organize a race committee and invite Gates and Officer Crowley, to the White House for a beer. So rather than admitting that he misspoke, in essence, Obama threw America's police and their relationship with the black community under the bus to save face.

This is not the behavior of the "Great Unifier" Obama voters thought they were electing. Sadly, it is the behavior of a selfish ego-driven small man.

Just as O J's attorneys masterfully turned his trial from being about a husband decapitating his wife to reparations for the persecution of blacks in America, the Gates case morphed from an arrest for disorderly conduct to a White House study on racial profiling and police mistreatment of blacks.

Last Sunday, the Democrats launched "Operation Defend Obama" at all cost. TV programs were littered with Democrats, race profiteers and bitter racists defending Obama's statement. Their mantra, "Cops do abuse blacks". They spoke like it was 1959 rather than 2009.

To save their own, Democrats are notorious for sacrificing any and everyone. Democrat President Bill Clinton had oral *** with an intern in the Oval office. To defend Bill, Democrats impugned the integrity and character of all men. Every Clinton administration spokesperson and liberal bias media person implied that any man, if given the opportunity, would have reacted like Clinton. Think about that folks. According to their spin, your pastor, father, grandfather, husband, soccer coach, school teacher and doctor would display the same lack of restraint and character as Clinton if "hit on" by a young woman.

Nancy Pelosi the Democrat Speaker of the House, without evidence, accused the CIA of lying. Did the Democrats encourage Pelosi to apologize for challenging the credibility of this organization so vital to our national security? No. Instead, they set out to trash the CIA.

During the Bush years, Democrats became Captain Ahab in the novel Moby ****. In their obsession to kill their white whale, George W. Bush, they attacked our military. Shamefully, democrats accused the brave young men and women who volunteered to defend us, some even paying the ultimate sacrifice, of being rapists and murderers. With our troops on the battle field in Iraq, Democrat Sen. Harry Reid announced to the world that the war was lost. Can you imagine the damage Reid's statement did to the morale of our troops? When decorated General Petraeus reported the war had turned in our favor, Democrats disgracefully called him a liar. Blinded by their obsession to "get Bush" putting the lives of our troops at risk was merely collateral damage to the democrats.

Every Democrat decision is always about them preserving and gaining power.

President Obama, we Americans do not want "race based" law enforcement. Nor, do we want Supreme Court justices overruling the Constitution with their feelings. We The People demand adherence to the Constitution and equal justice for all!




American Thinker: Cops and feelings
Yeah what he said... or I said (only not with the 9 by 10 glossy pictures with the circles and arrows explain what each one was to be used as evidence against him......) :rolleyes:

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hugo

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He broke the law by disorderly conduct not trespassing or burglary.

Guess what the cop gets to determine that.

Case closed.
No, a cop does not get to determine that. A jury gets to determine that, if the case is even strong enough to get to court. In this case, the charge was deemed without merit and quickly dropped.

 

hugo

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Officer: Hello sir, we have had a dispatch for this address reporting a possible break in, are you the resident of this home?
Gates: Yes I am.

Officer: Could you please show me some identification so I can verify that your the resident sir?

Gates: Well.......here is my HARVARD Identification, now go away.

Officer: Um...Sir, this does not show your address, it is just a picture ID showing your connected to the school, I need to see some form of identification proving your a resident of this location.
Officer: I am going to arrest you. There has been a great deal of burglaries by Harvard professors lately.

 

ImWithStupid

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Officer: I am going to arrest you. There has been a great deal of burglaries by Harvard professors lately.

There weren't a lot of 80 year old men shooting people in holocaust museums until it happened either.

There weren't a lot of female astronauts driving halfway across the country wearing adult diapers with plans to kill their love interests other woman until it happened either.

Prominent people do a lot of wacky things. How is the cop supposed to know he isn't breaking into an ex-girlfriends place that he's stalking?

 

timesjoke

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There weren't a lot of 80 year old men shooting people in holocaust museums until it happened either.
There weren't a lot of female astronauts driving halfway across the country wearing adult diapers with plans to kill their love interests other woman until it happened either.

Prominent people do a lot of wacky things. How is the cop supposed to know he isn't breaking into an ex-girlfriends place that he's stalking?
Oh, and I am sure there has never been a case of someone forging a University identification before...........

Hugo, are you trying to say a professor is not capable of breaking the law and cops should just cease all normal procedures the second they see "professor" on a school identification card?

I could not possibly care less what job a person works when it comes to following the law or procedures. The cop was trying to be sure the people in that home he had a break in call for belonged there....period.

Gates exploded on the cop just for doing his job......period.

 

hugo

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There is no evidence that the cop was not certain that Gates was the resident of the home. Any ID , including a drivers license, can be fraudulent. I guess you are in favor of everyone being required by law to have three forms of ID on them at all times. Even in the privacy of their own home. It is sad how far down the road to serfdom we have traveled where a man has to worry about being dragged from his own property and thrown in the clink because he did not have the "right" ID.

Quick search of the county tax records would verify the owner of the home. A lot quicker than hauling someone to jail.

 

timesjoke

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There is no evidence that the cop was not certain that Gates was the resident of the home. Any ID , including a drivers license, can be fraudulent. I guess you are in favor of everyone being required by law to have three forms of ID on them at all times. Even in the privacy of their own home. It is sad how far down the road to serfdom we have traveled where a man has to worry about being dragged from his own property and thrown in the clink because he did not have the "right" ID.
Quick search of the county tax records would verify the owner of the home. A lot quicker than hauling someone to jail.
So you believe a cop should not have the right to ask for identification with an address on it to ensure that people in a home with a break in call belong there?

I am just trying to get you to answer a straight question as to why asking for identification is a provoking action that justifies a black man to scream at a white cop just trying to do his job.

 

ImWithStupid

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T Quick search of the county tax records would verify the owner of the home. A lot quicker than hauling someone to jail.

Not everywhere makes that info available online. Even if it was, it would have come back to Harvard University, not Gates.

 

hugo

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Not everywhere makes that info available online. Even if it was, it would have come back to Harvard University, not Gates.
Yes, and the fact that he had a Harvard ID and was in a house owned by Harvard would indicate he probably had a right to be there. There is no doubt that Gates acted stupidly, there was still no need to arrest him. At most they could have handcuffed him, sat him in the back of the car and spent a few minutes verifying he was the rightful residence. Let me say though that the charge was not tresspassing, or burglary, and I have seen no evidence the officer was not certain of Gates right to be in the home.

 

ImWithStupid

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Yes, and the fact that he had a Harvard ID and was in a house owned by Harvard would indicate he probably had a right to be there. There is no doubt that Gates acted stupidly, there was still no need to arrest him. At most they could have handcuffed him, sat him in the back of the car and spent a few minutes verifying he was the rightful residence. Let me say though that the charge was not tresspassing, or burglary, and I have seen no evidence the officer was not certain of Gates right to be in the home.

So any of the thousands of people who work at Harvard were allowed there?

He said on the radio that it appears that it's the resident but he's being uncooporative and still wanted back up to keep coming. I think that shows he still wasn't sure Gates was the resident but it was possible.

 

snafu

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No, a cop does not get to determine that. A jury gets to determine that, if the case is even strong enough to get to court. In this case, the charge was deemed without merit and quickly dropped.
You don't get to court until after you get arrested. But your right case wasn't closed yet.

 

hugo

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Just heard on Hannitty that Gates was arrested after he pursued the officer and continued to verbally harass the officer as the officer was leaving. Obviously, the officer was satisfied that Gates was the lawful resident.
 

eddo

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Just heard on Hannitty that Gates was arrested after he pursued the officer and continued to verbally harass the officer as the officer was leaving. Obviously, the officer was satisfied that Gates was the lawful resident.
Seems to me that Gates had an easy fix to this then.

Shut the **** up and go back inside. Simple common sense should be that you don't follow someone outside and yell at them :

#1) if they have a gun, and

#2) if they can arrest you.

Gates is a dumbass.

 

hugo

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Seems to me that Gates had an easy fix to this then.
Shut the **** up and go back inside. Simple common sense should be that you don't follow someone outside and yell at them :

#1) if they have a gun, and

#2) if they can arrest you.

Gates is a dumbass.
Totally agree. Being a dumbass ain't illegal.

 

timesjoke

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Hugo, why won't you answer my question?

So you believe a cop should not have the right to ask for identification with an address on it to ensure that people in a home with a break in call belong there?

 


I am just trying to get you to answer a straight question as to why asking for identification is a provoking action that justifies a black man to scream at a white cop just trying to do his job.


You claim Gates was provoked, why is asking for identification with an address considered provoking someone?

Do you really believe a cop does not have the right to ask for identification with an address in this kind of situation?

 

eddo

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Do you really believe a cop does not have the right to ask for identification with an address in this kind of situation?

I'm pretty sure that isn't what hugo is saying, just that the officer could have stepped away and removed himself from the situation before it escalated to the point that it did.

I don't agree that is what the officer should have done, but this is a perfect example of you inserting meanings that aren't there.

of course, hugo can correct me if I am mistaken.

 
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