Obama remark on black scholar's arrest angers cops

[hugo]

Since, Gates was not arrested for not producing his ID the question is a red herring. Crowley was satisfied that Gates was the legal resident of the home or he would not have been leaving without detaining Gates. He only arrested Gates when Gates pursued the officer and continued to verbally abuse the officer, Gates was arrested for talking **** to a cop. All Crowley had to do was leave. Gates was a dumbass, It is not illegal to be a dumbass.

 

[timesjoke]

eddo, stay out of adult conversations if your not going to even try to pay attention. Hugo said earlier that the officer provoked Gates to act this way, I am now trying to pin Hugo down as to what part of the officer's requesting identification was wrong in Hugo's eyes.

Since, Gates was not arrested for not producing his ID the question is a red herring. Crowley was satisfied that Gates was the legal resident of the home or he would not have been leaving without detaining Gates. He only arrested Gates when Gates pursued the officer and continued to verbally abuse the officer, Gates was arrested for talking **** to a cop. All Crowley had to do was leave. Gates was a dumbass, It is not illegal to be a dumbass.

So another dodge?

Why not just answer the question Hugo?

Gates exploded on the cop for asking to produce identification that showed his address. Everything negative from this situation was because Gates felt he had a right to explode so his reason is relivant to this conversation Hugo.

So, was the cop within his rights to ask for identification that showed the address when he is responding to a call of this nature Hugo?

Simple question, no politics needed to answer it.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

The conversation we ought to be having in response to the July 16 incident and its heated aftermath isn't about race, it's about police arrest powers, and the right to criticize armed agents of the government.

The Henry Louis Gates "Teaching Moment" - Read it! Seriously.

I call a spade, a spade and things as I see them.

Regardless of how insane Gates little temper tantrum was, the cop could've got back in his cruiser and left the scene. Aren't police officers trained or schooled to difuse such situations professionally? Professionally?

On my own property and on my own land, I should be able to curse a police officer up and down if I so desired.

Ohhh... and I'm half hillbilly and hillbillies don't like cops (a peace officer is a wholly different discussion).

 

[timesjoke]

Cops are human beings too.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

Cops are human beings too.

Yes, they most certainly are human. And I applaud him for being a fukken human being, but he is also a civil servant who is paid with tax payer dollars. A little humility and restraint goes a long way.

The number one reason that kept me from pursuing a career in law enforcement, or related fields, after my service in the Gulf, was the urge to beat on certain types.

 

[wez]

The number one reason that kept me from pursuing a career in law enforcement, or related fields, after my service in the Gulf, was the urge to beat on certain types.

I think ya just slapped TJ's motivation on the head for becoming a cop and subsequent murder of a man for talking sh t to him before being quietly urged to find new employment..

 

[timesjoke]

Yes, they most certainly are human. And I applaud him for being a fukken human being, but he is also a civil servant who is paid with tax payer dollars. A little humility and restraint goes a long way.
The number one reason that kept me from pursuing a career in law enforcement, or related fields, after my service in the Gulf, was the urge to beat on certain types.

I believe the officer used a lot more restraint than any human should have to RO.

He has a job to do, he was trying to do that job in an honest way and had a crazy racist start screaming at him without good cause.

I do not believe police should be punching bags.

Think about it this way, the more we treat cops as if they are door mats, the less likely we will be at keeping and recruting good people. It is like politics, on average good people do not want to subject their lives to that kind of microscope life so we end up with mostly scam artists and selfish people who have clean criminal records, not people who are really good at managing things.

You said yourself, some types need a beating in your opinion, well cops can't beat them, but they can arrest them and offer them an attitude check that way, and that is what this officer did.

Gates was begging for attention, and after what is clearly shown to be a massive amount of begging by Gates, the officer gave him waht he was begging for.

100% of the blame for Gates losing his cool belongs to Gates himself.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

I believe the officer used a lot more restraint than any human should have to RO.
He has a job to do, he was trying to do that job in an honest way and had a crazy racist start screaming at him without good cause.

I do not believe police should be punching bags.

Think about it this way, the more we treat cops as if they are door mats, the less likely we will be at keeping and recruting good people. It is like politics, on average good people do not want to subject their lives to that kind of microscope life so we end up with mostly scam artists and selfish people who have clean criminal records, not people who are really good at managing things.

You said yourself, some types need a beating in your opinion, well cops can't beat them, but they can arrest them and offer them an attitude check that way, and that is what this officer did.

Gates was begging for attention, and after what is clearly shown to be a massive amount of begging by Gates, the officer gave him waht he was begging for.

100% of the blame for Gates losing his cool belongs to Gates himself.

Bottom line:

I certainly would not behave as the Professor did, and I would indeed be grateful and polite to the cops and the neighbor for looking out for me, but that's not the point and neither is the professor's belligerence and racial freak-out.

I am not advocating rudeness to the police who have to deal with all kinds of **** each day, not in the least. But if a man wants to act like a disrespectful ******* on his own property, it is his right to do so.

Even ******** have rights.

So.... drop it, TJ. You have talked the same points ad nauseum and quite frankly, you sound like a duck. Quack!

Why'd I say that? I know you're not big enough to drop the issue and move on. Nope. You'll harp on the issue until IWS or Bender closes the thread, because that is the kind of ******* you are.

So let's hear it... you blabbermouth, can't-shut-up, cokksucker...

 

[timesjoke]

Why'd I say that? I know you're not big enough to drop the issue and move on. Nope. You'll harp on the issue until IWS or Bender closes the thread, because that is the kind of ******* you are.

So let's hear it... you blabbermouth, can't-shut-up, cokksucker...

So if you reply to me that is good....if I reply to you I am a blabbermouth who can't let things go?

Why did you have to chime in them? Why not keep your views to yourself? You show me how big you are by not making "THIS" post.

OOPS......you just had to post though didn't you RO?

Too much to resist?

Your harping on the issue just as much as me so take your high horse and ride on down the road if you can't handle it my friend.

Anyway, the "ONLY" reason I am still posting on it is because of Hugo's comment that the cop provoked Gates to explode. I have asked Hugo several times to address this comment but he refuses to describe why it is wrong for a police officer to ask for identification with an address when he is responding to this kind of call.

What is it about asking for the identification justified Gates to call the officer a racist and start screaming and yelling at the officer? This is the question I have asked many times and Hugo dodges........

So fine, I can let that go because obviously if Hugo had a reasonable explanation for his claim that asking for identification justifies people to explode at cops he would already have offered it instead of dodging my direct question.

Gates was wrong, and he got what he deserved, I believe dropping the case was right also, to me riding in the squad car wearing cuffs was a great first step to trying to address poor behaviors from a person. If he should continue to act this way then actual charges might be needed to further discourage this kind of behavior out of him or anyone else in the same situation.

I believe IWS made the best point in this entire discussion, by justifying Gates' actions, you place all law enforcement officers in more danger because the populace see and learn from things like this......and they just learned that screaming at cops is perfectly acceptable behavior according to the President of the United States.....A shame really.

I am done with this unless someone has something new to offer.....

 

[RoyalOrleans]

I rest my case.

 

[timesjoke]

I rest my case.

Against yourself, lol. Why make that post RO?

Too much to resist? can't help yourself?

 

[RoyalOrleans]

Against yourself, lol. Why make that post RO?
Too much to resist? can't help yourself?

Some would call it baiting while others would call it a gross fixation with multiplying your post count.

 

[timesjoke]

Some would call it baiting while others would call it a gross fixation with multiplying your post count.

But even though your doing that I still believe your a great guy RO.

 

[ImWithStupid]

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[hugo]

eddo, stay out of adult conversations if your not going to even try to pay attention. Hugo said earlier that the officer provoked Gates to act this way, I am now trying to pin Hugo down as to what part of the officer's requesting identification was wrong in Hugo's eyes.



So another dodge?

Why not just answer the question Hugo?

Gates exploded on the cop for asking to produce identification that showed his address. Everything negative from this situation was because Gates felt he had a right to explode so his reason is relivant to this conversation Hugo.

So, was the cop within his rights to ask for identification that showed the address when he is responding to a call of this nature Hugo?

Simple question, no politics needed to answer it.

The question is not valid to my position that in a free country an officer should not arrest a man in his own home when the officer could simply end the mans' "Disturbing of the peace" by leaving. The officer was not wrong for asking for other identification. That does not mean Gates should be arrested for not providing it. We still live in a free country where you do not have to have an "acceptable" ID on you, much less provide it. In fact, the officer was obviously satisfied that Gates was the legal resident since he was leaving the scene and only arrested Gates when Gates pursued the officer and verbally harranged him.

Yes, the officer was within his rights to ask for Gates ID. I am within my rights to ask the women of JustBS to send nude pics to my email address. They are not obligated to send them.

 

[snafu]

The question is not valid to my position that in a free country an officer should not arrest a man in his own home when the officer could simply end the mans' "Disturbing of the peace" by leaving. The officer was not wrong for asking for other identification. That does not mean Gates should be arrested for not providing it. We still live in a free country where you do not have to have an "acceptable" ID on you, much less provide it. In fact, the officer was obviously satisfied that Gates was the legal resident since he was leaving the scene and only arrested Gates when Gates pursued the officer and verbally harranged him.
Yes, the officer was within his rights to ask for Gates ID. I am within my rights to ask the women of JustBS to send nude pics to my email address. They are not obligated to send them.

Bull . So a cop can come up to me and ask me for my ID. I tell him no and the cop should just walk away. You're being totally absurd in on this topic. If the police don't confront a suspect and correctly identify him you would be the first person to accost him for not doing his job.

 

[snafu]

1) The cop did not know it was his house.

2) Gates was making a scene and disturbing the peace.

3) The cop has a job to do and as citizens we expect to be protected from hostile people. Not knowing the person it could escalate to violence against innocent bystanders that were accumulating as this progressed.

Your way off base here hugo. Why are you so negitive?

 

[hugo]

1) The cop did not know it was his house.2) Gates was making a scene and disturbing the peace.

3) The cop has a job to do and as citizens we expect to be protected from hostile people. Not knowing the person it could escalate to violence against innocent bystanders that were accumulating as this progressed.

Your way off base here hugo. Why are you so negitive?

For the umpteenth time the police officer was leaving when Gates followed him. The officer must have been convinced that Gates had a legal right to be in the home. Gates was only provoked by the officers presence, he represented no threat to anyone. He was a law abiding cotizen arrested for talking **** to a cop.

All the officer had to do to restore peace was leave.

 

[ImWithStupid]

All the officer had to do to restore peace was leave.

Isn't that exactly what the officer was trying to do when Gates insisted on taking his disturbance into the public, and only after being warned that his behavior was crossing into the realm of a public disturbance, to which Prof. Gates chose to ignore and chose to continue to be a public disturbance, did the officer follow the law, and arrest Prof. Gates for a misdemeanor crime committed in his presence?

Not only was everything that happened up until the actual arrest Gates' choice in the direction of the events that were put in motion, but he chose to ignore a plain warning that he was in violation of the law.

See, Hugo is much like most people who cry about the police at their door, but is likely to be the first to call the police to tell their neighbor to turn down the music or keep it down if they are having a party.

 

[hugo]

Isn't that exactly what the officer was trying to do when Gates insisted on taking his disturbance into the public, and only after being warned that his behavior was crossing into the realm of a public disturbance, to which Prof. Gates chose to ignore and chose to continue to be a public disturbance, did the officer follow the law, and arrest Prof. Gates for a misdemeanor crime committed in his presence?
Not only was everything that happened up until the actual arrest Gates' choice in the direction of the events that were put in motion, but he chose to ignore a plain warning that he was in violation of the law.

See, Hugo is much like most people who cry about the police at their door, but is likely to be the first to call the police to tell their neighbor to turn down the music or keep it down if they are having a party.

Where does that come from? I'd be joining the party.

Once again, all the officer had to do was leave. It is not like he was called because Gates was causing a disturbance. The officer was the only provocation. All he had to do was leave.

I can't help it I ain't a **** **** like the rest of y'all.