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wez

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She doesn't say too much these days, mother has been dead for seven years now.
Cervical cancer.
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Some nasty stuff..

Sorry to hear it. Way too young to lose a mum..

 
snafu

snafu

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The fact that Chomsky and other delusional people think they can convert the world is absurd. While everybody's sitting around in a circle singing and holding hands, some of them are just mouthing the words.

I'm a realist and I see the evil out there that cannot be stopped by pipe dreams. You can call it war mongering but I see it as survival.

 
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wez

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Hey eddo, don't ya think that definition would be correct since Jesus was punished for others guilt when completely innocent of any wrongdoing by the very people he pointed it out to? Everyone elses guilt/"sin"but his own, as a matter of fact. According to your beliefs anyways.. Right?

What'd ya think?

 
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eisanbt

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The fact that Chomsky and other delusional people think they can convert the world is absurd. While everybody's sitting around in a circle singing and holding hands, some of them are just mouthing the words.I'm a realist and I see the evil out there that cannot be stopped by pipe dreams. You can call it war mongering but I see it as survival.
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Agreed that converting the world is absurd, but again with the holding hands sillyness, does the below look like a flower hippy revolution? You must be so sheltered from radicals, as you seem to be quite ignorant on these ideas and their implications (by which I mean no offense, I choose ignorant and not stupid).

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As for the rest of it, I dunno what to say. I seems redundant to bounce media sources off one another as none of us will accept the other's presentation of the 'facts'. History is not my strong point, nor is economics so I shan't try to battle in those fields.

Why am I inclined to believe the anti-state/ anti-capitalist media over conventional sources? My personal experience has shown me time and again corruption, abuse and violent coercion perpetuated by my government (police, mono-culture farming etc...). The stories then come in, worse then those we ever hear about our own, about the attrocities committed by others around the world. But I was always told "It's only them, WE are the good ones, we don't do those things, we have no part in genocide...". But as the first hand reports trickle in, its hard to stay convinced that the 'bad guys' are so far removed.

Who are these bad guys then? The folks on top of the pile, The Inner Party as it were, upper class, rich, whichever title rings truest with you. These are Friedmans selfish jerks. Those who want power/money, and thus fight tooth and nail for it, and so they get it. Capitalism and our Plutocracy's set up a race where only the worst of us want to run; naturally they end up on top of the podium. But with these few evil folk so obviously in control history has shown that the large numbers under their feet eventually rise up to topple them.

"It is this class division of society which gives rise to the state - because the minority need a special force to maintain their rule over the majority - which has evolved over thousands of years into the complicated structures we see today."

Capitalist society creates a caste system very similar to Ingsoc of 1984 (just trying to stick to common examples again); Inner Party (rich), Outer Party (middle class), Proles (poor). As in Ingsoc, we've created through capitalism, a system which maintains its self by adopting or eliminating those who pose a threat to this established social order. Middle becomes too capable, they are adopted into upper or they're crushed through state mechanisms. Likewise with the proles. We see the greatest zealotry up top, and the most social control in the middle. Social control takes many forms, most being much more effective then a simple gun totting goon (but lets not forget the one and only 'legitimate' purveyors of forces: the pigs). The middle is most essential for the function of the system, the top maintains itself indefinitely and the bottom requires little attention as living conditions become a sort of free range prison of mind and body. Even with the adoption of a functional middle, something not so characteristic of out-dated systems of old, those on bottom (particulary in a global) far out number those key figures 'above' them.

Its 5am, I'll carry on with more pretentious BS later.

Zeep

 
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